What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
 Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
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KatyDid,
I am very thankful that my h-spath and I are living apart. When we were together, going through ROCKY TIMES (due to his shenanigans), I had a hard time functioning, being an emotional mess. I would go to work, not being in great shape, but needing to be there. It was hell on earth – if I hadn’t had my family members support (many of them still don’t comprehend what is wrong with him, not bothering to research sociopathy), I don’t know what would have become of me. I am sorry that you are in the shape that you’re in, but totally understand how another person can get you there. These people turn you inside out. You have good reason to be afraid of your h-spath, being smart to get distance from him. Good luck with your present and your future. My prayers are with you and all of us who have been ensnared by these creatures.
GettingIt,
I agree with shabbychic, getting a new home for your dog would be a smart move. Can you give him to the SPCA (or another animal shelter)? Good luck with this.
This just in: Apparently, the September issue of Esquire gets behind Newt Gingrich’s act. Priceless quote: “He may be a sociopath, but he’s our sociopath.”
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/11/newt-gingrichs-skeletons-his-past-wives/
Redwald, your response is extremely astute. Extremely.
sistersister,
I read the article about Newt Gingrich, finding out information about him that I didn’t know – he seems to be a spath, terribly unconcerned about anyone’s feelings, especially his wives.
Just read more of the review of the Esquire article. Gingrich compared his third wife to his second, saying he needed more of a Chevy than a Jaguar.
He traded her in, like a car.
Wife number two had just been diagnosed with MS. The first one, as we recall, had been recovering from uterine cancer surgery when he took off with the second.
In other words, the transmission was shot on the first, and the steering went out on the second. And those Jaguars are expensive to fix.
“However, I don’t think Newman is saying the psychopath’s emotional deficit is secondary to this failure of attention. Rather, I think it’s the other way round. Both factors play a part, but it’s precisely because emotional signals are “weak” in the first place that they’re prone to being ignored altogether if attention is focused elsewhere.”
I think you make be 100% correct. The end result obliterates the piecemeal emotions in the psychopath.
But then I have dare ask…
Does this also imply the psychopath also has a limited sense of guilt afterwards? Personally I do not believe they have any concept of guilt at all – yet guilt would be classified as an emotional response too?
How can we have it both ways? But this I mean, we can accept that psychopaths may have lesser or infantile feelings for love for a person, but have no guilt at all for their actions? Seems to me we are in danger of picking and choosing which emotional responses we expect to see in psychopaths.
A whole new pandoras box opens everytime I think I know all there is to know about sociopaths/psychopaths.
Regardless, your assertion that psychopaths are so blinded by the end result it will delete what limited emotions they have I suspect is spot on. Very interesting and in some ways actually makes them more terrifying as they are, while in this state, more or less out of control beyond the boundaries of their absolutel focus.
Maybe the issue of sociopaths and psychopaths all comes down their inability to be socially/emotionally omnidirectional and it is like an extreme form of anal retentive behaviour. Which is why so many aspects of Aspbergers Syndrome overlaps with sociopathy? Would explain how psychopaths can just turn on and off their emotions like a tap.
So much to learn…
I’m going to read these long posts about the workings of S/Ps at lunch. Thanks for posting!
Initial thoughts, which I feel I must dump.
If S/Ps can’t even feel these emotions very deeply, then it seems to me that holding them responsible for what they do is a hopeless cause.
NOT that I’m saying they shouldn’t be held responsible in a judicial sense. Stolen goods must be returned, criminals must go to jail, psychopath spouses must be divorced.
I’m saying that, beyond that, there’s no hope for holding them responsibly emotionally.
So there I was, sitting in a bar in my hometown next to my childhood “best friend,” Susan. We’re sitting there, and she is being extremely nice, bubbly, fun, and looking far better than I had imagined these past 25 years. Happy, finally in the career she was always meant for — believe it or not, farming. There’s something there, a person who is finding her bliss, even defying her family in some ways, being “authentic” on some level. I knew her at 10, and even then she was off-the-charts smart, charming . . . and controlling.
She said she’d never married — true — but that the last one she “lived with” for 10 years. No, not lived with. They were engaged until he found out she was carrying on multiple affairs with all the previous schmucks she’d dated. And more lies, stories. It just went on and on.
Just oblivious. Oblivious to the fact that where we left it, back then, was not a good place. Blind to the reality that she really did owe me an apology. As far as she was concerned, nothing happened.
Nothing?
Getting thrown out of the college dorm room at 18 after she set up a complete world of false rumors about me to friends there and back home in the small town was . . . nothing? Persisting in certain lies about me, to my face, 10 years later? (She doesn’t dare do that now.)
She just doesn’t get it, I told myself. Not worth causing a scene, or expressing any feelings at all. She wouldn’t even hear them.
As I have said before, these people can’t actually feel the emotions, so they do a monkey-see, monkey-do and can be very convincing.
In Susan’s case, she studied romance novels.
Sometimes, we used to read a few pages together. She could read at a furious pace, and was often impatient at my slowness. Piles of these things. Must have been every “Harlequin” romance ever written. All the same: They meet at sunset, he looks into her eyes, grabs her vigorously yet tenderly, she feels this, he says that, he cops a feel of her breasts, the junior-high-school reader wets her pants. It was as if she was learning emotions through these things. (Not sex, though; she took it way further than copping a feel and was the best sex teacher in the 9th grade.)
I used to mortify her by reading these things aloud at the high school lunch table. To me, it was just interesting, funny writing. To her, it was embarrassing. Like, “her” feelings and lusts, out there on display. I honestly don’t think she detached, as in, “It’s only a movie.” She was there, inside those stories — but off-the-charts smart, no romance-novel airhead.
Learned emotions, bought for $1.95 apiece.
Frank Lee, I found it strange when my bosses accused me in a response to my lawsuit … of being emotional during meetings. I knew they were fabricating this excuse but found it interesting that they used it as one of their major responses. After that, they changed all their phony documentations stating I was constantly acting out emotionally in the office. I believed they knew before hand how to get a person in touch with their emotions to collapse (knowledge I acquired over the years of being a union steward and witnessing their MO in action with others … how to do a person under). I also thought it insightful that my EX knew that my bosses would have temper tantrums when they didn’t get their own way. I remember responding to him “how did you know this, that’s exactly how they act?!” “I always in my mind reverted them back to the age of 4 or 5 year olds as I could visualize their clothes dropping off of them because they were too big for them playing grown ups/dress up.” It wasn’t until years later that I was to learn to my horror that the reason my EX knew of them in details was because he was one too.
I won my lawsuit because my EX orchestrated it’s execution. Just goes to prove that it takes one to beat one.
Sadly for me, I wished I had the luxury to know what my EX truly was instead of being dragged in the mud during our relationship by my bosses and their cronies. If it weren’t for what my bosses were doing to destroy me (constantly putting me into PTSD mode), I would have had the luxury to focus my energy more on my EX than constantly being exhausted by their roller coaster ride.
SisterSister, great insight. Thanks for sharing.
I always remember what Alexander Lowen (admitted N) stated in his book that “A life devoid of emotions is beyond your wildest imagination”.
Sad and pathetic. All of them. I can’t imagine not going through life without feeling it. I’ll take the highs and lows any day than to be a ROBOT looking for the oil can.
Peace.