What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
 Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
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KatyDid, Is your husband in prison for murder?
Maybe the emotional meltdowns are a response to living in constant chaos, their narcissistic tone a recognition that nobody out there shares that world with them.
OxDrover,
No my husband is not in prison. As you can imagine, this incident is much more than what I indicted here.
The last time I was at my former home, my husband’s family beat me. I only survived b/c a delivery truck arrived. The trucker was supposed to have delivered taht morning but they didn’t know he had been delayed. I got away.
I reported it to the ONLY officer with jurisdiction, a sheriff’s deputy. The way he wrote up my beating report included comments that he observed that I was mentally unstable (He said I HAD to reveal my address in order to file a report. I cried and begged him to not reveal it. He got angry, threw down his pad, and loudly said I HAD to or else he was leaving.) The rest of the report said I made wild accusations, that I was a disgruntled ex wife, that the family complained about my crazyness, that I attacked THEM, etc.
This is the SAME officer that I would have to report what I KNOW about my husband’s KILLING. The victim had no family, no support, and no one to even know about the killing. JUST LIKE MY SITUATION.
Now you know why I say there is NO such thing as justice. And for anyone to suspend their life trying to get justice is the wrong strategy. Rather people should work on healing, taking CARE of themselves, and being good decent honorable people. Work to Move on so that bizarre life becomes a nightmare that belonged to someone else. My husband, and everyone around him (the nest of vampires lived and sndorsed each others behaviors. He wasn’t alone. I WAS.) can and DO get away with it. My life turned into hell but I’ll be damned if I will live in pergatory waiting for justice.
TRUTH by KatyDid: Sometimes people DO get away with it forever.
Dear KatyDid,
Yes, you are right, sometimes they DO get away with it forever, my P-sperm donor did—I got away from him, though, and I survived.
I know of two murders my P-sperm donor did (there are probably more) but no way to prosecute him as both took place outside of US. I am so sorry that you had to go through this and am glad that you were fortunate enough to survive.
There are some books recommended here about how to stay under the radar from stalkers. I suggest that you take care and do stay under the radar. I don’t have a lot of confidence in the police either in some places, to protect the victim, but in others they are very helpful. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF more than anything. I’m glad you are here at Love Fraud. This is a very good place for support! ((((Hugs))))) and God bless you.
I think the problem with his video and his schtick is semantics.
In the psychopath, the circuits connecting the amygdala, the thalamus, the orbital cortex, and related structures governing empathy, morals, and impulse control are undeveloped and/or damaged. He’s throwing a spotlight on the inability to pay attention to signals, rather than the problem that the signals are weak to begin with. But both are symptoms of the basic problem, that the network is junky. Yes, some of them do have some feelings, and possibly even fleeting feelings of guilt. But they are weak, undeveloped, and very short-term.
Anyway, what he posits is more related to the factor 2 aspects of psychopathy:
Factor2: Case history “Socially deviant lifestyle”.
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Promiscuous sexual behavior
Lack of realistic long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release
rather than the factor 1 items.
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
I think the real problem with the video is that he does not make this distinction in the video. But he is very clear on this in his paper, which makes a lot more sense.
A full paper is here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2789461/?tool=pubmed
I think there is some merit to his theory. There is a well-known link between ADHD and psychopathy/AsPD. Individuals diagnosed with ADHD in childhood are much more likely to be diagnosed with a cluster B disorder (borderline, histrionic, antisocial, or psychopathic PDs) in adulthood than those who were not diagnosed with ADHD as children.
Inattention is a part of the problem. But it’s not the whole problem. I’d call it a necessary but insufficient condition!
I’ll also point out that his writing in professional journals is better than his speaking to lay audiences. He omits too much in his efforts to sound accessible.
aw, my ppath is ALL OVER the factor 1 items….bless her heart.
Delta1;
Thank you for your words and support. Again, my apologies for trigger you (and others). This is the power of the sociopath. He not only triggered me, but there was a domino effect on others.
There have only been two times in my life when I was hypomanic. Last July, as a result of my normal summer sleep/depression problems exacerbated by recent open-heart surgery.
Also, when I went on short-term disability in 2008, part of the reason to taper me off my antidepressant due to concerns from my cardiologist. I became depressed again and needed to resume the medication. I started to feel good again, but started experiencing insomnia.
Then I met Jon. My first days with him left my head spinning and I became hypomanic. I was able to get control over it quickly. I think last July was some “flashback” once I “discovered” him online again. Thus, the only two times in my life I was hypomanic were associated with Jon.
Depression does funny things to me. Instead of realizing my current self, I emotionally regress. I become insecure and dysmorphic. I see myself as a shy, dorky fat and lonely teenager… He particularly pushed buttons for me as my “view” of time made his past seem the ideal I wanted for myself at that stage of my life and I was jealous and even more triggered.
As my recent depression began to lift, I saw the irony of it all, something even my psychologist noted. Me the older “Johnboy” who has been fighting being tagged “boy” all his life yet still can’t shed it meeting a younger “Jonboy” who is still clinging to that image even as it fades…
My psychologist also hit on my fears of becoming Jon and gave me some good advice as to why this fear is unfounded.
While I still have sleep problems, it is getting better and this week has been the fullest and happiest in a year. Last Sunday, I had a great day with my family up at the Cloisters. Later in the night, I met this really nice guy from Italy here on vacation with a friend. Tuesday, I took Luigi on a tour of Greenwich Village and showed him a great view of Manhattan from New Jersey and then a ferry ride back.
Wednesday, I went mountain biking with a friend. I had not be on a bicycle in a month and bicycling is my favorite activity. Thursday, I took Luigi and his friend to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It was the first time Luigi had ever been to one of the world’s great museums. This Sunday, I a off to Atlantic City for 3 days while the Italian guys are in DC. Next Thursday, I am taking them to the American Museum of Natural History. Of course more mountain biking on Wednesday.
For the first time in nearly two years I have my whole life back.
Most important, I do not anymore think I lost a soulmate. In fact, I am now thankful that I did not become more deeply involved with that manipulative, loveless, alcohol and drug abusing pervert. I once felt sorry for him, so sad, so tired and worn looking.
Now, I don’t even feel sorry for him. He sold the rest of his life for 10 years of “fun…” He made his choice and now he has to live with its consequences for the rest of his life.
I saw a hurt puppy when in reality he is a mangy wolf in sheep’s clothing. For this transformation in my feelings toward him, I am thankful to the members of this forum, as no place else came close to helping me. I hope I can be as helpful to others in need.
England is back on the list for me! I had plans to go to the Muse concert at Wembly next month but that does not look possible right now.
Certainly Brighton next summer sounds nice, I might even find I prefer it to Atlantic City…
I watched the whole video and it really resonated with me, probably because the sociopath Dr. Newman describes is so much my experience. I am going to send him an email.
Attention deficits vs. emotional deficits?
Psychopaths are happy helpers?
Neuman’s observations all sound OK on the surface, but it just does not add up.
The logic of Neuman’s statements is incoherent based on the research that has already been done by Robert Hare.
You cannot tap into something that is not there, period.
Psychopaths do not think there is anything wrong with them, remember?
Psychos do NOT believe they have emotional or psychological problems, so they see no reason to change their thoughts or behavior.
I think the attention deficit that Neuman may be talking about is plausible only if you are NOT THE VICTIM.
When psychos lock in on their target or whatever the potential reward may be, they are the most cunning, attentive, and observant individuals you will ever meet.
However, not even a sociopath can give everyone in the room his undivided attention all at once.
Even the socio has to make a choice on what to focus on.
Page 76-77 of “Without Conscience” states:
“Psychopaths are very good at giving their undivided attention to things that interest them most and at ignoring other things. Some clinicians have likened the process to a narrow-beam searchlight that focuses on only one thing at a time.”
“On the other hand, many situations are complex and require that we pay attention to several things at the same time. If we concentrate on only what we find most interesting, we may miss something else of importance, perhaps a danger signal.
This is what psychopaths often do: THEY PAY SO MUCH ATTENTION TO OBTAINING REWARDS AND ENJOYING THEMSELVES THAT THEY IGNORE SIGNALS THAT COULD WARN THEM OF DANGER.”
“Psychopaths have a weak capacity for mentally ‘picturing’ the consequences of their behavior.”
They are also unaware how their behavior is perceived to those in the perimeter when they are so locked into their target.
The target may be getting seduced, but those on the fringe (like friends & family members) who are watching it all unfold, are not quite so mesmerized.
I believe this is why socios like to isolate their victims as much as possible.
Get rid of the outside influences that could interfere with the “black magic” that’s about to go down.
And Neuman is right….sociopaths are some of the happiest helpers you will ever find.
But, it’s not coming from a place of authenticity.
The socio always has an agenda, and expects to get some kind of payoff (with interest) from doing his/her good deed.
Let’s keep it real, shall we?
RIGHT ON ROSA!!!!!!!! You summed it up totally using some good quotes from the Hare writings too……I think both you and Hare are right on.
The “impulsiveness” that the Psychopaths are prone to is not the meaning of the word that we normally associate it with in common speech. It is that they do not deny any impulse. Get an impulse to have sex with that woman, even though she is married, GO FOR IT. That doesn’t work, then it’s okay to RAPE HER.
They don’t deny themselves anything because of it being morally wrong, or any other reason…if they want it, they go after it.
Consequences? Always someone else’s fault. “If I had shot that damned clerk she wouldn’t have testified against me, so it was HER fault for testifying and identifying me. See what happens when I try to be nice?!”