What a difficult question this is—exactly what defines the sociopath?
 Joseph Neuman Ph.D, psychopathy researcher, in an extensive interview (see link to this interview previously provided by Donna Anderson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZgnCHweLM) addresses this and other questions about psychopaths.
Neuman’s research, if I understand him correctly (and I did not find him to be particularly clear in his explanations) yields a picture of the psychopath, surprisingly, not as primarily emotionally defective, but rather as emotionally defective secondary to certain forms of attentional problems.
Neuman makes some interesting and, to my mind, somewhat puzzling observations. For instance, and consistent with his basic premise, he actually suggests that psychopaths may be more inclined to genuinely assist someone they perceive to be in need than non-psychopaths. Did I hear that correctly? I think so.
Neuman also suggests that the psychopath’s capacity for this kind of humane response is unfortunately, or effectively, nullified (in others’ eyes) by his more antisocial, knucklehead behaviors. Did I hear this correctly, too? I think I did.
Neuman’s basic premise—again, if I understand him correctly—is that psychopaths aren’t so much fundamentally defective emotionally as much as their emotional capacities which, alas, may be much more normal than otherwise appreciated, are essentially obscured, effectively immobilized, by their over-attention, their over-focus on their particular, momentary interest(s).
So, to be clear, if I’m understanding Neuman, he’s suggesting that psychopaths (at least some, if not many) may indeed have normal emotions, perhaps even a normal range of emotions; the problem is that they don’t “attend” to their emotions because they aren’t “cueing” to the signals that should steer them to recognize, and be better regulated, by their emotions.
Neuman suggests that when psychopaths can be directed to focus on these cues and signals, his research shows that they can and do access a range of more normal emotions. This should and, Neuman says, does result in their coming under the better, and more appropriate, stewardship of their emotions (my italics, not his).
Now on one hand, Neuman says he’s not denying that an emotional deficit lies at the core of psychopathy. Yet it seems to me that this is exactly what he’s questioning! What he is saying in the interview, it seems to me, again and again, is that, at the heart of psychopathy is less an emotional deficit than a kind of attentional deficit, a signal-attuning deficit, the consequence of which is to detach the psychopath from connection to his underlying capacity to feel, and be better regulated in his behavior, by his emotions.
Now perhaps I’ve badly misinterpreted what I heard Neuman saying. I will leave that to other LoveFraud readers to weigh in.
Also, consistent with what I hear him saying throughout the interview, Neuman takes the rather radical stance that once a psychopath, not necessarily always, hopelessly, permanently a psychopath.
He suggests, rather, that if interventions can be developed that, for instance, can help psychopaths more effectively attune to the signals that will steer their attention to their healthier emotions, well then”¦NASA, we may have arrived at something of a cure, or palliative, for psychopathy.
He envisions interventions, if I understand him properly, that would effectively liberate the humanity within the psychopath, which is obscured, if not immobilized, by his attentional problems.
Because again, he is not saying that psychopaths necessarily lack emotions, or even a range of normal emotions; remember, he goes so far as to say that some psychopaths, including those with whom he’s worked, have shown evidence of an even greater (and genuine!) responsiveness to those in need than non-psychopaths. The problem, he stresses, is that psychopaths, by virtue of their overfocus on present, reward-driven interests, are basically disconnected from their emotions. At least this is what I understand him to be saying.
Neuman makes another interesting observation. Citing Hervey Cleckley, MD, he suggests that the psychopath may have an even weaker drive to acquire what he wants than the normal individual. The problem, he says, is that their “restraints” are even weaker than their “urges.” He describes this as a case of their “weaker urges breaking through even weaker restraints.”
Neuman also asserts that you can’t define psychopathy by behaviors and actions, including, he says, actions like “defrauding” people. I understand his general point—the idea that psychopathy’s essence may be more a reflection of a mentality than specific actions.
However, a pattern of certain actions, especially exploitive actions, can reflect, can reveal, the mind—and the disorder—behind it.
As I understand Neuman, let us say we have someone who is in the process of perpetrating a cold-blooded armed robbery—and not, say, the first he’s perpetrated. He’s prepared to bind, blindfold and shoot all potential witnesses to the crime. This way he can take what he came for and not get fingered, identified, in the act. Let us say he has done this before, remorselessly.
Neuman seems to suggest that, horrible as this act would be, it’s not necessarily indicative of a psychopath. Maybe he’s right.
But let’s say this individual is a Hare-diagnosed psychopath. Neuman also seems to be proposing the idea that the killer’s primary issue isn’t necessarily the absence, somewhere, of appropriate and potentially self-regulating emotion; rather, he’s so overfocused on taking care of the business at hand—robbing, and removing witnesses to the robbery—that he’s unable to attune to the kinds of signals that would lead him to recognize, and fall under the prosocial influence, of his more normal, humane emotions.
So that, if somehow, in the course of the perpetrating of his crime, you could somehow cue him to the signals that might lead him to recognize his more “humane” emotions, you might, theoretically, be able to short-circuit the robbery and coldblooded murdering of the witnesses!
Really? That’s an interesting concept, but it’s not one that strikes me as necessarily plausible. In general, as I listened to Neuman, I found that he depicted the psychopath specifically, and psychopathy in general, in terms that seemed to me much too benign; as if the psychopath, in Neuman’s view and based on his research, isn’t necessarily lacking in humanity as much as he’s lacking certain qualities that would enable his humanity to express itself in more visible, self-regulating, prosocial ways?
What was your take on the interview?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is strictly for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
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Thanks, dsch. I think you get it.
The problem is, to the victims, Newman’s theories are taken as a misunderstanding of what we’ve been through. Oh, that person could have been OK, but they just had a little “impulsiveness” problem.
But I don’t think that’s what he’s saying. And I’m definitely going to read that paper.
Yes, yes! I think the feelings may have been genuine in the person (or not — yes, there is the possibility of just serving the manipulation). But they’re short-lived. Twenty minutes of authenticity, and then they forget who they are. The only unifying thing in their thoughts anymore is that “agenda.”
My sister once walked right into someone’s home and looked around. The family came home and said, “What are you doing in our house?” My sister expresses a kind of remorse for it, but not much, really. What she expresses more is a kind of astonishment, like, What person was I back there? I don’t see in her an overwhelming desire to go invade other people’s space, but there she was, about 10 years old, and an opportunity presented itself. No roadblock to just doing it.
The paradox of ADHD might also be the inability to let go of a thought — not just the inability to hold onto one. These people find an interpretation of something and HOLD TIGHT. It’s really hard to talk them out of it — in fact, they’re pretty good at convincing you it’s true.
Perhaps narcissistic interpretations are the first ones that enter the mind. I send an e-mail to a friend and don’t get one back. At first, I think, She doesn’t care about me. What a snob! I knew I couldn’t count on her! But then, I stand back. No, there are other interpretations beyond the narcissistic one.
I think S/Ps never get past that.
They have an “agenda,” but I think again, that’s just the first pathway that presented itself to them, way back in childhood. “Manipulate Mommy.” Or, “Get that toy.” Later, it was, “Get sex out of that girl.” “Get money. Now.” Moral judgment? None happens between the impulse and the action.
It can be evil, but it can also be innocent. Every S/P has their own pattern, in my experience. For example, the boyfriend who would do anything to manipulate me sexually and spiritually had absolutely no interest in taking any money or goods from me. Ditto for Susan. Susan comes from a wealthy family, and it never occurred to her to want anything — except maybe a horse or two, and she never had to manipulate anyone to get one. She always shared her goods, indeed gave them away on occasion and never really expected anything material in return. In fact, she once tracked me down to pay my half of a sofa we bought together for the dorm room, which she had sold. A “generous” person. Not so with “favors.” You “owe her one.” She has another agenda, to control people. Controlling people is fun, a kind of sport to her. With my sister, it’s pity. She’ll do anything to control the story, make it seem as if she’s been wronged. She never misses an opportunity on that one. But steal? I’ve never heard of her stealing, even in her relationships with men, even if she once entered an unlocked house.
Another example of impulsiveness, weak but with weaker controls: She heard a tornado was coming and thought she’d better get out of her apartment. She drove on the freeway in tornado weather, only to watch a tornado coming right at her. She drove off the road and ran to a nearby office and freaked out at everyone to take cover. Altruistic, right? Not really. Just following her little dramatic script — a tornado was coming to get her! Instead, stay in the damned bathroom! Don’t drive!
I guessed you’d say, dumb. But we had her IQ tested, and she was off the charts. She’s good at taking an IQ test, but when faced with a quick decision, she follows the first impulse.
So yes, it doesn’t matter if you’re “nice” to them. They respond, or they don’t. It just depends on where their thoughts are at the moment. There’s no reading the situation.
Another three examples, and I have to laugh.
Educator John Holt wrote that children learn through “hunches.” All the four-legged things in the field are “cows” to a three-year-old. And then they’re something else. The three-year-old just shouts out the wrong word, and it’s cute. But after a while, we learn not to trust our first hunches, hold back on expressing them until we know more.
Not so with my impulsive, S/P sister.
At one point in her life, she kept using the word “rape” as if it meant “steal.” It was really embarrassing. I kept trying to correct her, but she kept using the word “rape.” Like, “He raped my pencil.”
She also named a boat she drew “Nau-Sea.” Nausea is seasickness! Who would name their boat Seasickness? I guess she saw “Nautical” and “Sea.” Pretty brilliant metaphor, actually, but dead wrong.
As for monkey-see, monkey-do, she was an absolute master at it. She knew it was wrong to smoke, and doesn’t smoke today, but that never stopped her from wanting to explore the mannerisms of smoking. Mom packed me up in the car to leave the laundromat, but she couldn’t find my sister. Finally, she found her in the back of the laundromat, looking grown-up and all-knowing, cynical, smoking a cigarette butt a woman had thrown out, while leaned up against the wall, legs crossed.
The grown-up versions of those things aren’t so cute.
I agree with most of the posters that Dr. Neuman got it wrong. Until the mask came off and I was cruelly discarded in favor of his next victim, he was the best and most helpful friend I have ever had. That’s how they present to most of the world–charming. exciting etc. That’s how they lure in their victims so easily. And when they can’t keep up the charade any longer,or get bored the mask comes off and “blindsides” the victim. It’s been two years since he discarded me and 14 months of no contact-I told him not to contact me (although he did e-mail me two months ago when he heard I got a promotion at work-I did not respond). I keep learning more and more about things he has done and fully realize how lucky I really am to be rid of him- but despite all that, I still miss the friend I thought he was-my best friend (or so I thought)
this man is way off base wow, i was tricked early in life by a psychopath women ,now i have 25 yr old monster for a son, i no longer speck to any of the turds. i was trick by public school. teach junk you never need, israeli run our school, he keep this mental illness a secret cause they it. company men like dick chainee are psychopaths. i worked for them, never understood how a nother man could sent a guy into a cancer tank and not care to give him the proper protection.like nothing ,cover him in it send him home. now i know, psychopathic scum, cia loaded , this guy loyal to israeli scum.
I knew this video was going to cause some problems, partly because of misinterpretation and partly because of lingering issues among those who are victims of sociopaths.
While I am the first to admit that sociopaths are capable of anything except real connections, real love, real guilt and real empathy, I do not think they are completely devoid of appearing to show such and perhaps there may be a kernel of genuine emotion, albeit passing.
The lower driver theory is interesting, given most experience sociopaths as “predators.” However, in my experience it is highly accurate. Given this, perhaps sociopaths should be considered as a certain type of predator, not a “wolf” but a “hyena” that prefers scavenging over making a kill, thus taking the easiest path to get what they want.
Therefore, the “easiest path” view might better, at least for discussion purposes. For example, I see very few stories here where the offending sociopath was a highly successful, “driven” individual, although they do exist.
Moreover, I see “low drive” in my x-spath’s own words from one of his online profiles: “if you are focused, driven or motivated, then we will probably not get along…” In another, he describes himself as “thin, maybe toned if I go to the gym…” More indication of lack of drive. Yes, he has the stare and all that, but it was me who actually said hello to him. Even early on, one of the things I thought I could fix in him was to get him motivated to better himself: quit smoking, stop drinking so much, go back to the gym and consider a more realistic long-term profession.
Two of his online profiles are pretty consistent and he does not seem interested in much besides boys, beer and travel. What is the easiest path for a gay man to obtain these? Give up the “grown-up world” and become a flight attendant.
Even his online predation seems to have a passive component to it. While I have never played him, he does seem to be “passive” when online: post younger looking pictures and see if he gets a bite.
His impulse control was low. More on that later…
blindsided31, I’m not sure what you’re saying Newman got wrong. Your description sounds perfectly compatible with the kind of disconnect he describes.
And I’m not sure if the boundaries aren’t blurred here. Could Newman be describing a broader class of people, of whom psychopaths are a more specific subset? That would explain why the emotional ADD he describes could be a part of both low-level a-holes and high-level psychopaths.
In other words, it could be present in all psychopaths, as he observes, but not all people with that trait are complete psychopaths.
I was very puzzled with the interview. He seemed to contradict most of what Hare et. al have found.
Perhaps he’s easily manipulated by his research objects.
I still don’t see. Nobody’s being specific about what he’s wrong about.
A bit off topic, but just got off the phone with the attorney I hired to fight my son’s upcoming parole–and he is willing to state that with the letters we have to attach to our petition that he i s 99% SURE my son will get a 5 year “set off” (before he can go to the parole board again!) The maximum allowable by Texas law. I am sighing a big sigh of relief! After nearly an hour on the phone with the attorney, who after having read the letters said “This guy is REALLY dangerous!” I feel so vindicated and supported it is just unreal!
In January when this is all over til the next time, if what he said comes true, then I will throw the biggest party I have ever thrown!]
TOWANDA!!!! Older and sneakier, and meaner!!!!!~!