By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
nolongerniave and oxy – man, the things i learn here! the culture i live in is so different about guns. we can’t have loaded weapons in our homes. everything has to be locked up all the time. an unloaded locked up gun is worthless. better just to smack an intruder over the head with a skillet. THOSE I do have, and heavy ones. i was stadnign about 12″ away from my big cast iron pot with the long handle on it when the n ex gf pulled her punch in my face almost 2 years ago; i told her i’d charge her, – my first thought. my second thought was, and if you touch me, i am going to whack you hard with that pot. i worked as a pro. cook for long enough to be really good with slamming pots into things.
i did some checking recently into getting a handgun and taking lessons (i haven’t shot since i was in highschool, and it was rifles – ‘cept the time i was in a rifle range in the south about 15 years ago, and got to play with a semi automatic. THAT was fun). it’s outrageously expensive here, takes months, and the permitting proceedure includes all kinds of government tests and studying, freaking course book, is, no kidding, 2 inches thick. All this would have to be done before i would be allowed to purchase a gun. it’s irritating. doesn’t stop an angry husband from shooting his estranged wife or protect people from spaths. it’s just flaming irritating. i don’t think we should register long guns (another huge gun/ government fiasco here pissing off the farmers. handguns have always been registered), we should register husbands.
One_step-what do you think about Jennifer Beals? Do you have an opinion?
where the heck did that come from erin?
has j beals done something?
Hello,
I’m new just joined yesterday but have been reading the site for a few months now. I met this “friend” at work. She was going through a hard time (so I thought) I loaned her money and she did pay me back (setting up trust). When the apt. above us became available she moved in. It was a year after my twin sister died at 47 and I think I was still emotionally distraught.
I loaned her my car one day when hers was broken (hauled away off expressway for unregistered/uninsured motor vehicle, I did not know this at the time). When she got her car back that day she left mine at some gas station saying “hey, I have to go to work” I had to call my husband to come get me from my job and get my car.
One-no she hasn’t done anything but she is coming out with a new TV show in February. It is a police show about the Chicago Police called The Chicago Code. I used to watch the L Word and I gotta say-she’s really hot! Now I’m gonna get to see her arrest people and kick some ass! Love it!! 🙂
i didn’t dig her l word character much, but i never got over flashdance! glad to hear she has a new show coming out.
Then she started her petty bullcrap. She had her boyfriend over and needed help moving something…my husband and I went upstairs and she’s standing there in a tank top and underwear! No pants! Not normal. She is penny pinching cheap also. refused to turn on air conditioning in her 2nd fl apt. cause she would rather sweat than pay electric…on and on with the stories. Anyway she wound up sneaking into our apt. and stealing several thousand dollars. I know she went thru all my personal papers and stuff-but she was mainly after the money. After the police where called by me…she told the detective she was being “set up” and that my husband beat me up all the time NOT true. What a liar she turned out to be! After almost 2 years of this crap we got a lawyer to break our lease and moved after 15 peaceful years. I lost my job because of the stress at home and work I think I still have symptoms of ptsd…while dealing with her crap my brother in florida passed away two weeks after his wife got home from a double masectomy…We got back from fl wake and funeral and had to have a “meeting with the landlord” about US disturbing her sleep..ugh.
one-I didn’t like the Bette character too much either but she was nice to look at. I liked the whole group. I liked Dana and Alice and her girl Tasha.
Ana – i am glad you moved away from her – hard, but incredibly sensible. are you getting treatment for the PTSD?
i always thought tasha was a control freak. dana and alice and alice’s other girl…what was her name (the cook?) I loved kit!and i liked shane a lot as her character evolved, even though she was a hound dog. (she’s just a character – i wouldn’t like a person like that in real life; i wouldn’t trust them.)