By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Thank G-d the detective believed us and not her. He ran her plate and I saw she had a record of larceny dating back to the eighties…But the landlord he didn’t care and told me so…as long as she pays the rent…Here comes her next victim! Well after he said that i got in his face and said “well, I guess we’ll just have to wait till she steals from you!” Guess what? She did! Refused to pay rent or oil bill and he had to spend a lot of money EVICTING her.
What an ordeal we went thru and haven’t said everything and I’m still afraid she will try to get revenge cause she thinks she is the victim…I’m glad I don’t own a gun : )
No, onestep I haven’t gotten TX for pstd. I think I should have when my twin died cause thats when it was the worst. Although I find myself having mini panick attacks…and I don’t trust anyone. I have a new job now.
I was watching that show Dexter and I thought good he’s getting those bums…but now it’s turned into some guy that tortured women and I can’t watch it..I actually get panick struck! no more dexter for me. Do you think I can get help for panick attacks even tho 8 months have passed? Thanks for responding.
Ladies (Oxy/No Longer…)
Seems I need some educatin’.
My protection is a glock. Oxy, reading about your Taurus makes me wanna change. My problem in I live in a city. I need stopping power (NO Body should ever be in my house, so I do not call out warnings or questions… And yes I’m okay with scrambling intruders brains, I barely survived an assault, I’m not waiting to see if I can scare someone off…) but I also need to know my ammo won’t penetrate into my neighbors’s house. Is your Taurus too much gun for city houses?
One-I forgot about Kit. I loved her too. I can’t remember the name of the chef that Alice went with. Alice and Dana were cute too and Shane was hilarious. She would be dangerous in real life.
ana – absolutely. I am going for neurofeedback sessions, and they are helping. http://www.brainandhealth.com/
i keep trying to tell people how much PTSD affects me. My anxiety and distrust of others is high.
I am glad you have a new job, but moving and losing your work has had a large impact – no way it couldn’t as you moved under duress, because you had to, to be safe.
you say your twin died? was this recently also?
Onestep,
My twin died in Nov. 06 and my brother died during the time I was dealing with that bi*ch-Nov. 09, and now his wife that had the double masectomy (sp) passed away Oct. 19 of this year. Lots of losses.
oh good lord Ana, PTSD treatment is order! And grief counseling. Are you familiar with Elizabeth Kubler-ross’s work on grieving? Not hard to find, and she writes well about grief and death. I also like Stephen Levine’s work on death and dying.
I actually read the book by Elizabeth Kubler Ross YEARS ago! Probably G-d giving me a heads up! Do you know if I should contact a psychatrist or go thru my primary care md? I liked the link you sent and book marked it for future use.
Everytime I leave my apt. I am super aware of whats going on around me because I’m afraid she will come after me..somehow someway. Although the detective said she would never assalt me in public, I think she’d try to run me off the road or some other stunt. I’m sure you know the tactics. Thanks for your help.
You know, it really disgusts me the way psychopaths treat women- like disposable blow up sex dolls. I remember towards the end of my involvement with the Psycho, he said something to the effect of,”You’re not the same person” “You changed”… when i wouldn’t let him force his lies down my throat anymore.. when I wouldn’t acquiesce to his “word salad” which did not have a grain of logic in it. He talked and talked in circles and explained but never addressed the issue though it was crystal clear I was confronting him about it.
They must think “this prey is broken” like some play thing when you catch them in their inconsistencies and start wising up. It really is despicable, the lowest of scum these Ps are. The contrast from the “Compassionate” and “Humanitarian” Facade they put on so thickly in the beginning is stark, and palpable. Sick. Really sick.
Dancingnancies,
Yes, it is disgusting! I heard my “friend” say “I really don’t think your my friend anymore” after calling me at work and saying “you know your husband is not at work, I don’t know if he’s telling you he is (he wasnt)but he’s here all day” DUH There’s a foot of snow on the ground and he’s a carpenter…What I find hard to believe is the lies they tell are actually believed…wtf??? I can hardly wait for her next victims to get theirs cause they defend her! That seems to be the only way other people believe you about them, when they get victimized. ugh Anway I just kept calling the cops on her…boy she did NOT like that at all…exposed her looonggg criminal record. And when we were moving out she gave us “the stare” and I laughed in her face lol.