By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
No, Oxy, IWonder said that they both registered each other’s guns….oh wait…. you mean the gun she is carrying is completely unregistered? And she only thinks that it is registered in HIS name? Possibly. Then she is carrying an unregistered gun.
Either way, BIG MISTAKE.
HUGE RED FLAG, RUN RUN RUN AWAY.
I AM NOT WRONG HERE, I HAVE 0% DOUBT ABOUT THIS PLOY.
I’ve seen it over and over and over again. It is my exP’s MODUS OPERANDI! ACK, I’m getting triggered just thinking about it. It is the “just our secret” ploy aaaaaaaaahahahahahahah!!
gotta breathe now.
SKY, there is SOMETHING STICKING OUT LIKE A RED BANNER WAVING IN A 100 MPH WIND on this “you keep my gun, I’ll keep yours and it’s our little secret!” DUH????
Good for you picking this up, I remember reading that now, but at the time it didn’t ZING with me. BOINK ME!!!!! for missing one THAT obvious!
Yea, any time there is a “just our little secret” it is a con for sure!
I Wonder…..
When I went back with my x in July, I told him I just wanted to be “friends” because that was the part of the r/s I missed. We had so many late night talks, and when we worked together, before we dated, we hung out all of the time and had great debates,etc…
I wish I never got “romantically” involved with him! Maybe we would still be “friends”.
But, getting involved with him and getting to know him WELL, I realized that he isn’t an honest person. He admits it…says he doesn’t tell even his best friend “everything”. His best friend has no idea he was even on these sites!
Anyway, when I went back with him in July, I was over the anger of his “lies” and I told him I would only “date” him and talk on the phone and not “go back” with him.
It didn’t work out because he was always trying to get me back in bed…which ws difficult for me, even, since I was very attracted to him. After a few weeks, of him “lovebombing” me all over again…we did get intimate again.
I didn’t feel the same. I didn’t trust him still and after that one time, I told him I didn’t want to be intimate anymore. He got frustrated that his manipulations didn’t work. So, he was online again! (denying it )
He obviously didn’t want to give the r/s time to heal and let the trust build up in me for him. He HAD to go look for a new sex partner! So,…..I stopped seeing him. ONLY because he didn’t tell me that he was on dating sites. Had he been frank with me, and told me that since we were just “friends”, that he would be dating others…I would not have been upset. I would have known where I stood. Of course, he would continue to work on ME to get me back into bed…
He begged me to stay in his life as a “friend” and I told him that I have NO time or energy to have ANYONE in my life who isn’t healthy and honest. So, as much as I miss the “good” in him….I had to leave him in the dust.
Just because you once loved someone, doesn’t mean that you have to have them in your life forever. When that “someone” is not a person of good character,….lies, manipulates….I don’t want to give them the time of day. I am VERY selective who I let into my world.
I am very close to my one sister…we talk all day and hang out almost everyday. I have 2 really close g/f’s who are like sisters to me….and my own daughters who are so much fun to be around…and my aunt and uncle and SIL’s and neices…
and other friends who I don’t see that often.
Now, why would I need the b/s that comes along with a dishonest, selfish man? I don’t.
Life is too short and you have to be careful who you let into your life!!! People can really hurt you and bring you down!
As my one daughter always say…’just saying’…lol
First let me say, this is such a great site, with, in my opinion, highly perceptive individuals on it. I hope to offer insights from my experiences which will help other victims in some way.
In turning over (and over) what happened to me in five years of marriage, I tried hard to wipe the fog from my eyes to get at what and how I contributed to my fate. One bitter pill I had to swallow is that my usual clarity was dimmed by my desire for love, and joy at meeting someone so “unique”. (right…)
One of my pet declaratives is: ACTIONS NEVER LIE! In reviewing our relationship I realized that, time after time, I overlooked both her false or misleading statements and her behavior. Each time there was the faintest awareness — a whisper, that I have to conclude was my intuition — but I brushed it aside because I was biased in favor of her, or rather, the image I’d constructed of her (with her generous and considerable assistance, of course).
By the time I woke up she’d cleaned me out and vanished into the arms of a married father of four with much more money.
My conclusion: never, NEVER ignore your gut. Stay open to EVERYTHING around you, with everyone. Being open doesn’t mean paranoid, it means being objective — despite your personal preferences and desires. That whisper will, over time, become a clearly audible voice that will flawlessly guide you. You just have to steal some time for silence (I prefer walks in Nature) and listen to your inner self; it cares more about you than anyone, and it’s always there for you.
Good luck, everyone!
Dear Shocknawe,
Glad to have you on board and seems like you have your chit together all in one sock! Good for you! You are so right about instinct and that we silence that valuable voice of sanity over and over again…..I silenced mine my entire life. I can actually look back and see that my instinctive voice was talking to me, warning me as early as age 5 or 6, but I silenced it….I’m surprised it didn’t go mute forever, but it didn’t, it kept on trying to communicate until one day I did hear it!
I’m glad you are here, we need more voices. I also agree with yhou that we must have time for silence from the many NOISES of the world—people talking, the TV, the radio, even music, we must have silence in which to listen for the faint cries of our inner voices. Again, WELCOME!!!
shocknawe,
great name, it describes that moment of realization very well.
thanks for sharing.
They lie with their words and deeds. Mine took really good care of me, protected me from dangers, fixed my car and worried about my health.
Never mind the fact that he sabotaged my car, poisoned my food, and gaslighted me about dangers that didn’t exist.
That is the way an addiction works. They create the problem and provide the solution. That way you can never leave them. That is how the whipsaw emotional ploy works too. First they take you to heaven to a world of love and sweetness, then they kick you out into the cold, and they stand at the gates of heaven dangling the key.
My exP would literally sabotage peoples’ helicopters then tell them he had found a very dangerous problem in the helicopter that would have killed them, if he hadn’t found and fixed it. Problem and solution in one neat little package.
He also is a drug dealer, so he knows about addiction.
shocknwave,
It’s great to have a man on board, sharing his perspective. Sorry that you had to be involved with an actual sociopath – very draining (in more ways than one), that’s for sure.
Iwonder:
“I don’t want to be judging too quick. He is picking up some stuff for me this week at Home Depot. He has a truck and I didn’t want to rent one. I’ll ask him while we’re out if he has a girlfriend and then I’ll have to say you guys were right.”
Only if he tells you the truth honey.
Quick – RIGHT NOW AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS – listen to what your gut is telling you. Asking the question is a waste of your time.
You ALREADY know.
Close your eyes, take a deep breath and LISTEN.
Thank you everyone, for your kind comments. It’s such relief to know that there are at some people out there who truly understand what it feels like.
Iwonder is right: we have to listen, and for that we need quiet and solitude.
The philosopher Nietzsche once wrote, “How far a small defeat outweighs a great victory.” I wanted this “defeat” to be a learning experience that I would never repeat, but I’m learning so much more than that every day that I’m simply amazed! I’m convinced that without this horrible thing I would never have been able to see myself with so much clarity. In that way (and that way alone!) I can thank her for what she’s done.
You said it Shock.
It’s that new layer of growth that surrounds us and feels so good.