By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
this sucks.
i wouldn’t open my door to a spath, and if i knew the nature of the person, i wouldn’t stay in public space with them. But i have to deal with them jerking off here!?
onestep –
Poor girl. Chin up! At least you know what they smell like now. x
heheheee…
i have for a loooong time.
Oxy,
just now got around to reading this article of yours, & I agree with whoever it was that said, “It’s one of your best!”
Kudos, darlin.
shocknawe,
yes, it’s very interesting to hear a male describe his SP wife’s behavior. Welcome.
skylar,
yep, I understand that one—about the SP who “takes good care of you”. That’s the problem with those care-taking ones, Oxy: they don’t rattle!! You never know they’re dangerous until you’ve been suddenly bitten. Not only can we not tell they’re snakes when we pick them up, they seem so righteously benign that we cuddle them in our arms for as long as they want us to hold them & love them…& then comes the shock of the fatal strike.
Thanks, Why me, glad you liked it.
Wonderful article Oxy and like others have said “I never knew what they really wanted either” And yes there were signs along the way, red flags, gut feelings that something is off or just isn’t right. But I had no logical conclussions or places to put those feelings or what to make of them because then I didn’t know they were the personality disordered pieces that put the puzzle of a sociopath together.
Wow– this website has become a mini obsession of mine these days. I am coming to terms with the fact that my mother is a sociopath. My first memory was her trying to kill me in a house fire at 4 years old.
I was in a lot of Christian circles, seeking wisdom and help. And found myself surrounded by people who told me I had to forgive her for the multitude of evils she did to me. I remember her burning my baby blanket with a smirk on her face and one day burned every single toy in the house. This is just the tip of the iceberg. . . she encouraged me to be a stripper when I was 14 years old. . . a million evils.
Recently she is getting a divorce and is “flaring” up again. . .right around when I FINALLY realized what kind of monster I was dealing with. I am 28 right now and it took me my entire life to this point to dig myself to a level of mental health where I could honestly assess the situation. She wormed her way up to my father and asked him to cosign a house for her– my husband and I were planning on buying the family business, AND my father knew it was my worst nightmare in life to have her live nearby, PLUS the custody battle of many years ago cost him a small fortune because of her nastiness and trickery. . .he said YES to her without even mentioning it to us, he said yes to cosigning a loan for a house that is 5 minutes from my home!!!. I can’t even fathom how many levels of denial he’s had to maintain to make a choice to stake his financial viability and his children’s inheritance.
So my husband and I are moving in a week. Half way across the country. I have made a commitment to never speak to her again, and had a mini “funeral” of types to celebrate her death in my life. It’s been a very difficult time, but I feel we are making the best choice for our little family, and especially our children. It’s time to start something healthy without the influence of the turbo-bitch. It’s hard to define my life by ways of how I have avoided being eaten by a monster, I hope that soon I can start defining it by the good that I do, and not the evil I avoid.
Thank you for sharing your sanity Oxy. I think it’s contagious.
Hushbaby
Welcome.
I’m so glad you’ve been able to understand what you’ve experienced at the relatively young age of 28. I’m currently trying to understand my own dysfunctional family and I’ll be 45 soon.
From your story it sounds like you are lucky to have escaped at all.
Dear Babydoll,
You’re welcome! I hope that the carp I have endured has helped someone else escape at a younger age than I finally did.
I redefined “forgiveness”—not as meaning I have to TRUST her again, but that I get the BITTERNESS toward her out of my heart! Read the story of Joseph, he forgave his brothers long before they showed back up in Egypt, but he did not TRUST them until he had TESTED them to see what kind of men they had become since he saw them last when he was a kid.
You have obviously SEEN for yourself what kind of a person your EGG DONOR is, and I am sorry that your father is not as wise as you are and that he is willing to do this to “help” her. It is obvious that he doesn’t realize what is going on.
I applaud you for having the back bone and guts to move and take your children with you in order to start a more positive life. You are so right, we do not need to define our lives by what we AVOID…although that is definitely one way to do it! LOL ((GREAT POINT!)
I also had a “funeral” of sorts for my P-son, for that little boy I loved so much and have so many wonderful memories of—but that child is gone! He is buried in my memory!
I am glad for you and your children that your husband is supportive of your move. I’m sorry that your father has chosen to be her dupe, because it limits your potential contact with him, without giving her ammunition (information) to use to hurt you.
At first I thought that my egg donor continuing to be the dupe of my P son made her a victim as well, but I am coming to the conclusion that she is just as damaging to me as he is in her own way. You might also want to reexamine your relationship with your father and anyone else that still maintains contact or “business” with your egg donor. Some ARE dupes and co-victims, but others I think are accompilaces so it may not just be “denial” but it isn’t easy to determine. Some guess work in there, but the bottom line is that you have to do what is RIGHT and best for YOU and your children and your husband.
Congratulations on getting out before you bought into the family business. I wish you and your family the best of everything and I think you are on your way to getting that! God bless!
I had a funeral “pyre” for my ex-husband the spath.
I collected all of the photographs, cards, notes, letters, trinkets etc. that I still hadn’t been able to bring myself to face (2 years after the split) and that were stashed away in boxes that had not been looked at since I had had to flee my home and move in here.
(Note: this did NOT include anything that I thought might one day be needed as evidence against him – even back then, before I knew what he really was, something in my gut said “No – you must KEEP this”)
I lit a huge bonfire in my backyard (garden leaves and prunings etc.) and I sat with a glass of red wine (or 4….if I am honest) and one thing at a time, I burned them all. I took each item and scrutinised its worth as “evidence”, then it went either into a box by my side or into hell’s flames. I made myself look hard at every single thing as I let it go, acknowledging to myself (out loud, no less) that it was rubbish and a lie and I was well rid of it.
It was October 2008 and I remember the exhaustion and elation in the following days; texting my best friend and saying I had “purged” my home of a poisonous and heavy burden.
Prior to that I had thought that I “got it” – that he would never change and that something was DEEPLY wrong with him – but it wasn’t until the “burn” that my turning point really crystallised.
No going back.