By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
aussie – will do. x
aussie – will do. thanks. x
Kindheart48
Please tell me that you are NOT following S*m Va ins as a resource? !!!
Katydid , your post hit me hard and no he isn’t anything that i want . i recently saw firsthand a girl i’ve known for years in and out of AA , she is so sick with alcoholism and relapsing over the last few years, got involved with a conman and recently he got her good and she signed over every dime she had , her two daughters are disgusted and she’s drinking an d homeless. She thinks she loves him and i know she loves the bill of goods he sold her, so hard to smash . I can see all this in her, the detective with his wife and im no different. You are right and im tired of all the energy , even while in no contact i’ve obsessed with different ex friends ofhis almost to the vendeta point an d it’s just toxic and keeping me from living a happy life and most of all kept me from trusting men at all. I put myself in a trauma/ addiction program 2 years ago purposely to stay away from him, spending all of that xmas there that’s how badly i wanted to stay away from him and then i had contact and wanted to literally end it all, the denial came flooding back but i pulled the nurses aside and said why the hell am i in concieous denial and i think i just coined a convenient phrase for having contact, i was exasperated to say the least. They told me i wasn’t in denial and that i possibly wanted the contact or that type of man. Why the hell would i go to a 2 month program, leave my job , go to shrinks, aa meetings , hypnotherapist if i really wanted a man like this. You are right i don’t want a man like that , not even an ounce of him is worthy, i just got that compulsion and i think i’ts subsiding. I remember going to aa meetings more to stay away from him just to leave and run right to his house. thanks for all the support ladies i’ve been hanging by a thread and i’ve come so far. kh
Aussie,
I think we lost Kindheart.
I have wondered about fibromyalgia for myself. The aches, I’ve lost muscle tone, lost so much hair, so tired yet unable to get restful restorative sleep.
BTW Katydid –
EXCELLENT idea about the future positive dreams for ourselves.
Kindheart –
Samwhathisspathfeatures is a raving lunatic and a predator. I understand the temptation to see what he’s got to say, but you will not learn anything from him that you can’t learn HERE – and HERE is a whole lot safer. Visiting his silly site is a bit like spying on your ex on Facebook – unless it’s a safety issue for you (as Oxy put it recently) then you are really just sucking yourself back int the vortex of spathdom. Decide tonight that you have read enough Vakcrap from Samwhathisspathfeatures and cut it loose from your repetoire. Stay where you can get SAFE information, as well as support (something the Vakcrap spath creep is certainly not interested in).
Think about it – who is Vakcrap’s main “source” of supply? His poor deluded wife. If he was genuinely wanting to help anyone, would it not be her? There is not an altruistic bone in his fake body, so stop going there. All he is about is grandiosing himself and his fake credentials; he wants fame, power and money from book sales. Don’t help him out. Every time we log onto his site, it raises his profile and makes it easier for him to scam people like us but who don’t know yet what we now know.
I have my own copy of the Australian-made doco; just as a reminder. When I have watched it, my stomach has turned to ice; it feels like facing my own spath. I don’t need to feel that way over someone who wasn’t even my problem! My own spath issues are quite enough for me to have to deal with. Please dump him?
Dear Kindheart,
Dealing with the aftermath Of a death in the family (sorry for your loss BTW) triggers all kinds of problems.
None of this is new to you, you and I have blogged both on the Sam Vaknshit site and here for 3+ years so we know each other pretty well and I know you are a smart woman and there is nothing here I can say to you about how you need to take care of YOU that you couldn’t recite back to me “verse for verse” and “chapter and verse” and about AA, you know what you need to do on that so not going to nag at you. Just wanted to say I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT, so get off your arse and DO IT!
Hey, babycakes, if I can quit smoking and you can quit drinking there is NOTHING ON THIS EARTH we can’t accomplish!
You are a strong woman so get out there and take care of YOU! ((((Hugs)))) and my prayers for you Girlfriend! You know the LF gang is here for you!
My dream is to have my son come hom e for xmas from the military and to be able to enjoy him and not have to feel like a failure for contacting the loser . To deal with this estate and cut ties with my toxic brother as hard as it will be and to move on with my life. Im so hurt right crying because i know who i’ve deprived the most and it’s me. My dream is to enjoy life and be happy and not let people play on my emotions and drive me nuts, accept that i can’t change them and let it go. yes i’ve realized i need my meetings as i’ve pretty much just preached what i learned there but forgot over the last 2 years of no meetings.
Kindheart48
I do mean it… just start the list. Imagine what do you want you life to really look like? What kind of home? Weather? Neighbors? Trees? What kind of socializing? Dancing? Any art?
I think if you MAKE lots of good stuff fill up the space in your life, you won’t have time to think about that TOXIC Spath.
So glad to hear from you Ox and yes the drinking and smoking you are so right about and i can’t afford to ever go back there either, don’t know if u remember but my mom died of alcoholism at 50 and im turning 50 so it’s on my mind and i know that i would be dead prob by now had i not quit 7 years ago. I should be more grateful and when i got away fr meetings slowly i forget to pray and be grateful and my thinking has been crazy to say the least over this estate. I have to commit to going to meetings and let go of the past, something i’ve become aware of lately, i dwell too much there . Thanks again all of you for being there, so glad neither the s or the detective picked up whew it was awfully close, i guess that’s why we only have today. love kindheart. ps. im going to get into some chocolate as im sighing with relief realizing just how dangerous again this all is, slow suicide as mentioned