By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
You sound very niave and young to me. I realize you come from a different culture, and that could be the reason, but I feel like you’ve been sheltered a bit too much.
You are a 20 year old woman, and should be able to make your own decisions about who you will love.
I don’t know if your Professora is evil or Spath…might be, but that isn’t really clear. While I agree that it may be innappropriate for her to enter a relationship with you, being so much younger, and also being her student, I don’t think that proves pediphlia, or evn predation. Just not enough evidence. It’s not unusual for people to be attracted to younger people…but what does stick out to me is the power imbalence, and how sexy you thought it was…no doubt she thought so too. That is a red-flag to me, and tells me that something is going on with you.
Also, I might be over-stepping my bounds here, but I don’t think you are being honest with yourself about your sexuality.
How will you ever establish healthy happy relationships with anybody if you don’t know who you are or what you want.
I think there’s a lot going on here, and I don’t know what to tell you about Her…but this is about you. I wish you well.
Oh, and I did want to add that this clearly wasn’t a healthy relationship, because of the power imbalance, boundry violations and dishonesty, so I think it’s a good thing you’re out. Good luck to you.
kim frederick,
Your post to Lostnconfused was true, being glad that she is no longer involved with the older woman.
This sounds like a similar situtation a friend of mine found herself in EXCEPT she is not lesbian and the female student had a fixation on her. hmmmm. Something is off here but I’m reserving judgement until further information is forthcoming.
Lost,
I don’t want to hurt your feelings but You are twenty and you strike me as being less mature than a twenty year old should be. On the other hand we’ve had 16 year olds come on here that are more mature than I am at 45.
It seems that you have been very sheltered. That is another way of saying that you have controlling parents. I’m glad they rescued you because I have no doubt that this woman is a predator and you were going to be her next meal.
Now that you are safe, you need to go to read books about narcissism and learn about why you became targeted. It isn’t just about being naive, although that is part of it. It has to do with trying to reprocess an experience that occurred to you early in life in which you never felt that it came out right.
For me, I guess I never felt I had a voice or any rights in my family. So I found a man who was just as imposing and domineering as my dad. Except that he didn’t seem that way on the outside. He seemed sweet, laid-back, easy going, very respectful. But our subconscious sees what’s going on underneath so we are attracted by things we aren’t consciously aware of. It seems I wanted to have another try at establishing my right to speak and be heard. But in the end I failed because I didn’t even know that’s what I was doing.
Once you see the pattern, you get an AHA! moment.
Oh and BTW, with my spath, I also initiated the first kiss because he seemed to be unsure of himself. Like he didn’t think he was good enough to make a move on me. It was so unusual for men NOT to try to come on to me that it caught me off balance. I also asked him to spend the night first. I also moved in with him (against his wishes). But the whole time, he was manipulating me into wanting these things. By getting right to the edge and then backing off, I never felt pressured.
Adrenalin is the tool they use, your own adrenalin. They seem exciting, there is lots going on and btw, when you’re being stalked your subconscious knows this, so there is going to be extra adrenalin. Since we aren’t consciously aware of danger, we misintepret it as excitement and charisma.
Mine also bought me lots of coffee.
Thank you everyone.
Iappreaciate everyones imput.
I will really think about all that you said to me.
I do really appreciate your words… everyone.
Going back is not an option.
Getting better is the only way to go.
Dear Freemama:
DO NOT GIVE UP!!! As long as you’re standing he hasn’t won.
OXY Dear please talk to this woman. I don’t have the right words to say. I have never experienced this your insight speaks volumes.
Please Freemama DON’T GIVE UP! Lean on us we will hold you up until you can stand on your own. I am praying for you today.
Dear Freemama,
I’m not sure what words of comfort I can say to you. I know you are tired. BONE TIRED. You have done all you can and you still weren’t able to save your son the trouble his father is causing.
The justice system is not just, and life isn’t fair. You are not dealing with a normal person. I can only hope and pray that your X will move on to his next victim and forget about you and your son as victims. I know you won’t give up, because you can’t. No matter how tired you are you will find the strength to go on and do what you have to do for your son’s sake. God bless you and you and your son are in my prayers! (((Hugs)))
Freemama,
you know the drill: gray rock.
never let him see you sweat.
You are without fear, nothing he does affects you. Show no adrenalin.
(((hugs)))
you CAN do it. Our prayers are with you.