By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Superkid,
I suggest that you get rid of the e mails, burn them toss them, whatever…..my opinion is that reading them is “back door contact” and is not anything but ripping the scabs off, and renting him space in your head. Get rid of anything that reminds you of him.
Ox Drover
I think you’re probably right about that. My therapist said the same thing, and I deleted a bunch of them, and then regretted it.
On the rare occasion when I DO read the emails, I get re-grounded in reality (it was a BAD BAD relationship).
I’m still watching the movie THE MOTHER. I’ve watched sections of it over and over. It is totally the story about a child with a NARC mother – it could have been an opening story to the book THE BETRAYAL BOND.
This month’s psychology today magazine has an article all about narcs. I should post it. I think it does a disservice to the topic.
SK
SK:
I would love to read that article about narcs.
Yeah, I just looked up the website and it isn’t posted yet. Available only in hardcopy in the magazine, I guess. Once it’s posted I will post a link.
SK
SK:
Thanks, can’t wait to read it!
Hi new here, just admitting this spath relationship to myself. Sorry for all the sad stories, but we’re still here aren’t we. He thought he’d make me off myself,it would give him $$, attention & sympathy he craves. I almost died, & he easily slept right thru it. I’m finally getting it…any book, reading recommendations? I see reading about this helps with self blame. They use our own consciences to try to instill blame on ourselves, quite convincing. All the time having no responsibilty for their own actions. We play a part, guilt for 2. We need to stop that, stop filling in their blank feelings with what we’d like them to have, it’s not our responsibility.
deservesbetter-I’m sorry you had to come find us here but great name, btw. You do deserve better. We all do. Read as many articles as you can on here and post a lot and you’ll get a lot of things figured out for yourself. This is a great place to learn about what makes these people tick. You will probably get a lot of recommendations on reading material-The Sociopath Next Door is good. There are a lot of others too. Welcome and good riddance to this evil person in your life.
behind_blue_eyes:
It was not about us. It was about what we could provide them at the moment.
Regarding #2, I would say that they treat anyone who shows them real intimacy the same way, ultimately like shit. However, their day-to-day acquaintances are mostly treated very well.
I TOTALLY agree with you on that one. I have many Sociopaths in my life that hurt me on a 24/7 basis. And ALL of them are good to every day people that they meet on the street and or people that they know they can always use and refrain themselves from doing anything bad to since they always need “a back up blood source or a place to stay if anything gets hairy.”
Mimi;
It is always about them. Of the at least 1/2 dozen red flags I ran, I had asked the x-spath about the last person he dated and why it ended.
“Oh, it was not for all that long and I stopped seeing him because I have a difficult schedule and he never made time for me.”
My x-spath did not say anything nice about the guy. The truth is probably more like:
X-spath meets guy. Guy is initially charmed by x-spath because on the surface him seems like a decent, next-door type guy. However, not being needy, guy starts to get tired of x-spath’s Jekyll and Hyde personality and starts making excuses not to see x-spath.
Ox Drover, so well written. I was nearly getting sappy-eyed reading the first part, that sad moment when you realize that these people do not have those same intentions as you. I, too, took a long time to figure out that trying to “be reasonable” with an unreasonable person was just setting myself up for disappointment. I feel cruel for giving up on someone, especially because I always catch myself trying to justify their existence so that they don’t come off as evil. For example, even my ex spath had a horrible childhood. Even when I finally came to terms with his sickness, I was deep down wanting to believe that he was a victim many many years ago when he was just an innocent little baby. And this might even be true, but, just like I cannot do anything about the past he destroyed in my own life, I cannot fix his dysfunctional past and pull him out of it so that I can have a relationship with him.
Throwing in the towel is the hardest thing to do, because I always assume that these sick people are suffering too, and that I just need to reach out a hand and help them. NO! I slap my own hand. Get back! That’s a snake! Compassion will be the death of you, panther! <—-haha, yes, me talking to myself here.
Ox said: I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done. <—–I am at this point on overdrive now. I over-analyze threats at the moment and tend to screen people in an almost impossible way before I will even spend time with them. I'm hyper-sensitized to the red flags for the time being. Hopefully this is the case, otherwise this means I am only now finally aware of how many predators there always were in my environment. At least now that I can see them from just the slightest clue, I will be able to, at long last, find the folk like myself who won't hurt me or tear my life to shreds.
Good post, Ox. Very nicely illustrated with the steer example.