By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Panther – good to see yo reading!
methinks you have PTSD dear. Try finding the articles here that address PTSD via the search function.
I am getting nuerofeedback treatments for PTSD and on a very small dosage of an anti-anxiety medication – plus doing the other things that are necessary for me like supporting my adrenal system with supplements, exercise, watching loads of funny video to make me laugh, eating well.
i hadn’t had a neurofeedback session since march when the doctor moved offices into a newly renoed space. haha, one joy cannot do ‘newly renoed’ and the doc keeps her damn dog at work now (she had 2 clinics before, and one was dog free), so I don’t know how much longer i will be able to go again (I sat outside the other day to do it.) anyhoo got sidetracked with my whao for a moment thee – the treatment calmed me immediately and i am handling things much better in the last couple of days. i was pretty ballistic before the treatment, given all that has been going on the last 2 weeks.
EMDR may help around specific memories, also. I don’t know what your financial situation is, and all these things can be expensive. I got into a PTSD neurofeedback study so several months of treatment were free. I really want to do EMDR to dislodge a few things, too.
Hi Onejoy,
I have zero funds. He drained me well into the negatives. I fled Turkey with my bank account into the negatives by more than a thousand dollars, and he has my bank card right now to that account. I started up in Germany just a month ago with enough stashed cash in my pocket to put a down payment on a flat and then eat until I get a paycheck teaching here (I’m an ESL teacher). Getting therapy is on my to-do list once I have a little money to spare. I had to get health insurance (German system), but it doesn’t cover that sort of help.
I know for sure that I have PTSD. I am afraid to leave my house, and in groups of people, I usually cannot even talk to someone. I just sit there like a silent bystander. Part of the reason I cannot talk is because I feel like I will fall apart on the spot if I open my mouth, so I wander around aimlessly through the city most days if I can drag myself out of the house. I also fear leaving the house cause I think he will be out there somewhere. This is why I really need a way the consulate could tell me if he enters Germany.
I am eating really healthy, exercising, watching funny videos, learning new things (I learned how to make home-made face masks n stuff), and letting myself sleep when needed to deal with the process the best that I can without professional help.
Today has been absolutely surreal. I went to the cinema and cried during a comedy just because the main characters kissed. I am all whacked out for now.
But there is a little corner in me that is at peace in a way I never was while he was around me. He unnerved me on a daily basis. I feel like, hey, stuff is really hard right now, but I got out alive, and that is like a little seed in my heart right now that, as I nurture it, seems to be growing very slowly each day. I am happier than ever, despite it all right now.
I will consider that treatment for PTSD and see what is available here as soon as I have a little money. I don’t even have light bulbs in my new apartment right now 🙂 Psychotherapy needs to wait just a little.
panther – gotcha. i want to suggest something, and i feel a little funny doing it. but here goes. i have traveled in europe with a ‘tribe’ of buddhists, known as the Diamond Way Buddhists. I have known this tribe for about 15 years. they are bay and large the strongest most resilient and welcoming people i have known in my life. there is a centre in almost every german town of any size. this would be a place you could go to, and once these people got to know you a bit they would protect you. and i mean really protect you. those boys are like trees.
I am not advocating for a specific religion here, but for a space and a group of people who could be of great help to you, and for a place to be once or twice a week where you could sit with yourself (free therapy) and not have to look over your shoulder.
Oh really? Actually I like this idea A LOT. I am already into Buddhism. I learned by accident that I am a practicing Buddhist without having ever studied Buddhism. I ended up adopting a lot of Buddhist principles somehow on my own.
I’d love to get in touch with them!!! I will google that. And I could use some trees. Panthers love trees 🙂
one/joy
I just did a search and according to their website, they are not over here. This city has 230,000 people in it. But maybe there is an unofficial group in the area. If I give you the town, do you think maybe you could contact them and ask them if they have any people here who practice?
Panther- well awesome! why don’t you get in touch with the closest centre? there are never any unofficial groups, but depending on how close the nearest centre is people may be driving there to go to meditation. Germany just isn’t that big, and there are about 150 DWB centres there. Tell them you want to come and ask if there is a way. Explain your $ circumstances.
Direct link to the German listings: http://www.diamondway-buddhism.org/default.asp?col=05&t=centerlist.htm&CountryID=212
yup, can see it now, panther draped languidly over hulking limb. 😉
Dear Panther, Glad you enjoyed the article…and glad you are getting with One/Joy about some emotional/spiritual support groups that may be available to you where you are located. That is a great way that we (LF bloggers) can help each other out!
Thanks and good idea. I am on it. 🙂
Panther-I can relate to your comment above, “he unnerved me daily.” It’s funny though how when we are in the midst of it we can’t identify the “unnerving” for what it is.
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