By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
So I bring my stuff over from the woman I stayed with’s home and my dads like you don’t need all this stuff for college. Im like hello I’m moving into a dorm for an entire school year. I can’t just come with a suitcase. So hes like you need to leave somethings here at my place. I’m like actually Im seeking storage near school. So he goes what storage? I’m like you can rent storage units especially over the summer. So he goes that’s ridiculous. I have a roommate and I’m being inconsiderate. I just kept packing and then he left the room. One of our family friends was like you dont listen! You have too many things. I’m like no. So then my dad starts breaking glasses and slamming doors. He goes I’m alone all year and no one wants to come near me. I just kept packing. I have everything I own packed in a few bags. Plus three storage bins. Considering yesterday when he packed the things in the car, he made it seem like I had too much things. He just cant pack!
hurtnomore – man, your above post reminds me of going to horse shows when i was a kid – my dad was always running late and in a fowl mood. i’d be all ready and he’d rush in all negative and say do you have this and do you have that and…and I’d say yes, it is all packed. I have no idea how i lifted all of that stuff at 11 years old, but i did.
keep your eyes on the prize and keep moving toward your goals, he’s an ass.
Dear Hurtnomore,
I feel for you, sweetie, you’re between a rock and a hard place with your dad, nothing you do will suit him and he is trying to punish you and make things as difficult as he possibly can.
Keep the amount of things you have to a minimum and don’t EVER bring ANYTHING to his house again….keep your stuff somewhere besides where he can find it and don’t go there again…go to a shelter if you must (you can call the police and tell them you are afraid to go home and ask them for the phone of a shelter if you must,) or maybe one of your school friends will let you come home with them for a holiday or a few days if the dorm is closed. It WILL BE DIFFICULT but If you want the freedom from his emotional control and abuse, you must work toward refusing to let him get you isolated and in his home. (((hugs))))
Excellent article!!! It brought tears to my eyes as I could relate to so much of it. I’m too tired and upset to post tonight although i have so much to say. Tonight is just a night to read. Just wanted to say thank you. Not only for the article but for the many insightful comments. Its so nice to not be alone. Wishing you all a good night.
One joy- hope you are feeling better and the antibiotics are working. I hope you are feeling more balanced. I know they had taken a toll on your system.
Dear Coping, when I first came to Love Fraud and found I was NOT ALONE, I never felt so supported in my life….I’m glad you are here and glad you are also feeling NOT ALONE. (((Hugs)))) and God bless you.
Yes, Ox. I am new here and this forum has helped me more than anything I’d tried before. Being alone, living abroad and away from family, in a country with a foreign language, with an spath on my heels….I needed something.
The hardest part before was feeling like absolutely NO ONE and I mean NO ONE had the slightest clue what I was talking about if I tried to explain something to them. One of my closest friend got mad at me for giving him money and told me that I was stupid. The LAST THING I needed was someone making me feel more stupid and being harsh about the situation. Another friend told me that I must have caused this because I had wanted an attentive man and I got what I asked for. A part of me feels betrayed by their views, but I know that they simply do not understand.
Has anyone here seen that TV series True Blood? Well, anyways, the vampires can do this thing where they look into someone’s eyes and hypnotize them. I really feel that he put me into a trance-like hypnosis for all that time, which is why not seeing him has helped tremendously. I think part of the hypnosis, for me anyways, was that I am very prone to focus on something very intently when I cannot make sense of it. I’m very curious (think of a cat…er panther) and when I cannot understand something, be it a math problem or a 1,000 piece puzzle, I tend to focus on it very intently until I “solve” it. He, unfortunately, was unsolvable. I wasn’t even trying to be mesmorized. It just registered to me that something here made absolutely no sense at all, and so naturally I started paying more attention, my mind automatically trying to make sense of what I was experiencing and witnessing. It put me in a trance of confusion. How can he possibly x, y, and z? What the heck?!?!?! Am I missing something? Okay, just look a little closer, a little longer, a little harder….and the time just goes.
Panther, I don’t know if you have access to the book, but Dr. Carnes’ book “Betrayal Bond” (you can see a review of it here on LF) is a good example of a TRAUMA bond….in other words, the abused person becomes BONDED to the abuser. The warm/cold, loving/abusive flip flopping relationship actually chemically bonds us to them in a FANTASY of hypnosis-like responses inside our brains.
I’m glad you broke free, and separation (NC) WILL help you come out of your trance, but you must maintain it or you could slip back into the abyss for ever and not reemerge. So stay strong! Stay NC!
Your friends would also not understand a drug or alcohol addiction either….but you have friends here at LF who DO understand. But, we broke free and we will STAY FREE! TOWANDA!!!!
Hi Ox Drover,
I am compiling a list of books I intend to read on this. That one is already on the list, in addition to Women Who Love Psychopaths and that one about Power which you mentioned once before (I don’t recall the exact name of it.) It was the book you read so you’d learn what you’re dealing with, like a training manual that all spaths must have read before birth or smt.
I am NC…I keep blocking his mails, and he keeps making new accounts to send from. I am determined tooth and nail to stay No Contact. It is absolutely the only thing that has helped me so far, besides hanging out here on LF. I just got back from the police station. They didn’t get it, but I didn’t expect them to. I simply asked them how they can help, and they said basically there is nothing they can do, because he hit me and hospitalized me in Turkey, which German law has nothing to do with. They just told me that I should move to a new apartment. Ufff. Well, at least it’s on record now, so that if he comes here and pulls something a paper trail has been started beforehand.
This is my first time on this site. I came here looking for confirmation and understanding of a condition that I now begin to believe to be the reason behind my difficulties with a ‘friend’ that I have grown to be obsessed by over the past two years. I came across this article, and while I realise that it is more than a year since anyone commented on it, it touched me – this could be my experience, I could be this person. If I had any doubts about the type of person I have believed I loved and that I believed loved me in return, reading this website has confirmed my worst fears!
I am in love with a psychopathic personality! And ever since I called him out for being a selfish, self centred, insensitive fool – he has shown his true colours and it’s been breaking my heart. That is me writing long and involved explaining emails, I am the one sending messages of reconcilliation and I am the fool bailing him out of his financial troubles and picking up his pieces.
Actually, tonight has been a shock. How did I not see the person he is before?
dear feelingbetrayed,
I am glad that you found your way here and that you are starting to see what you are dealing with and that it will NEVER GET ANY BETTER….
The best cure for this is to STEP AWAY—go “No Contact” and that means that you do not accept phone calls, e mails, texts, or visit for ANY REASON. Just NO CONTACT.
There are a great many articles here on Love Fraud and I suggest that you read and read until your eyes fall out. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER and by learning about them you can regain your power from this person. They are using you. Put a stop to it with NO CONTACT! Again, welcome to LoveFraud, and God bless. Oxy