By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Hi everyone:
I thought this was an appropriate thread to post this under since I did so many things wrong regarding spath. Just wanted everyone to know I heard yesterday that OW is getting divorced and I confirmed it…it’s true. She already has many men hot on her trail. And I know Oxy will want to hit me with the skillet, but I did not go looking for this info…someone told me out of the blue and I hadn’t even seen this person in almost two years. She thought OW and I were still friends and I informed her we were not and left it at that and then she proceeded to tell me she is getting divorced. Interesting.
Hi Louise,
I am not sure if the OW was with your X or what, but this seem’s to be good news for you…many men hot on her tail? she must be in heat..
hens:
I don’t know if they were together either, but I have a strong instinct that is saying yes, they have had some type of contact in the two years since I have left my job (and you know how we are supposed to trust that instinct). Yep, she always has men after her…always. I think she is perpetually in heat…
Dear FeelingBetrayed: Welcome to Love Fraud. I am so sorry for everything that has happened to you but Ox is right. No Contact IS the only way. I know it’s disheartening to think about but it is absolutely necessary. It is the only way to survive. To believe in yourself and know your worth and value. Don’t give that up for anyone or anything.
I am happy you found your way here because I have learned how to ‘heal’ here. Everyone here is absolutely amazing in the way they ‘share’ and help one another over all the horrid and ugly moments. This is no doubt a journey we are all on and I am grateful we can share it all together. NO WHERE have I found more understanding and compassion than on this site when it comes to ‘understanding’. No where.
I allowed MYSELF to fall for MY psychopathic stalker of the past ten, almost eleven years, now. That was my worse mistake: giving it ‘attention’ in the first place. You know what they say: “The devil can only enter when invited.” Hm? There is a lot to be said for that.
I see two counselors, one of them, once a week and the other once a month. I have been through some horrendous things with this ‘being’ and I am not saying that to just be mean and vindictive. I absolutely mean every letter of that. I have seen evilness, firsthand, and I want it no where around me.
We are all ‘survivors’ here. Learning how to heal; learning how to cope and to see the truths, whatever they might be, together. The journey has been daunting and long but everyone here that knows me can see that I am pulling through this now and stronger than ever.
We were ‘targeted’, on purpose, feelingbetrayed, because of our ‘kindness’ and ‘loyalty’ and all those things that make us ‘good supply’ and good and decent people. Our own virtues used against us as chains to tie us to THEIR CAUSES. If we object and try to exert any sense of self, whatsoever… When there is no further use for us, we are discarded like a broken toaster might be. With no regard and/or conscience. Laughed at as they walk away until they contact us again for another ‘reason’.
It is always ALL about them. ALWAYS. Then if you try to out them, the ugly parts come….the stuff you see in movies.
I know; I have seen it and witnessed it and smelled it and tasted it for a long time now and I am finished with being trapped in the pits of hell because of someone else s psychological issues.
Oh sure, I still get ‘stalked’, from time to time, however, the boundaries have been drawn and set down and I absolutely MEAN every single word I have ever said. I still do and there is no mistake about this. He should be in prison doing something like about 30 years just for what he has going on for himself at this exact moment; I have no doubt it won’t be long now and his criminal activities are going to catch up with him and I won’t have the pleasure of being his ‘third strike’. That just really breaks my heart too. I thought for sure “I” would be that last strike that put him behind bars but it’s not going to be me because I have better things to do with what little life I have left.
If you are in an unsafe environment, feeling betrayed, don’t leave yourself exposed to any abuse, in any way whatsoever. If you are ever fearful for your safety, do seek assistance in “STEPPING BACK FROM THE PSYCHOPATH”…they end up exploding, every where they go, at any moment. Especially when pushed up and back into a corner. You can almost instinctively read it in their voice and mannerisms when they are on the edge; am I right? I have looked into those shark eyes and I have found the very depths of hell. Run. Don’t dally.
Don’t ever underestimate them. Never.
But I am learning how to live without fear on my life now, much to “ITS” dismay, I am sure.
Come here, read, learn – feast your soul and find that validation that you need to empower yourself. It’s the only way out of this. I will be saying prayers for you and sending you positive thoughts and blessings.
If you ever need us, we are here.
Realization is the first step, accepting comes a little harder. Moving on to a better life is the hardest….But you must see this for what it is and step back out of the situation if you want any hope at all of stopping that ugly cycle. I know what that is about. Trust me.
Don’t blame yourself; see it for what it is and make the necessary adjustments so that you can live peacefully, whatever that takes. *Blessings*
Dupey
Louise: Like my ex ppath: always in heat. Sexual addiction. I learned about that when all the ‘minions’ from the ‘rock roadshow’ started confronting me with their petty jealousies…
Do like I did: just get fed up with the whole thing and crumple it up and throw it in the garbage and let the garbage men come in the morning and tote it away. That’s where these people deserve to be.
And you know I am right.
It’s very difficult loving something so ugly and inconsiderate.
Hugs and blessings, Louise…you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Dupity Doo Duh, Dipity Yay…
Louise,
I think it’s ok to know what the spath’s are up to from time to time, if we dont go looking for info. But occasionally if we get some second hand info it’s ok. Like if they have moved to Bimtuckfoo, or died.
hens:
I agree! Thanks for the input, buddy 🙂
Dupey:
Thank you. Sexual addiction is right…nuts I’ll tell you.
i am addicted to icecream without the nutz ~! cya later taters
Hens, yea, I’m addicted to ice cream too, that’s why I’m the size of a cow! LOL Gosh I wish I could have some ice cream! Yesterday a friend and I went on a road trip and we stopped at an ice cream place, frozen yogurt actually, and I had a small dish, but I skipped lunch so I could have it….