By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Thanks one step
No I haven’t read that. Thanks. I’ll have a look on amazon.
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strongawoman: I barely have had the presence about me, nerve wise, to sit and read but my counselor recommended this book to me, which she gave me to read and when you get through the first part, you have a wonderfully ‘connected to you’ kind of book…
It’s called “The Power of Now” by Eckhart Tolle.
It is helping me to find some more ‘grounding’ which is really what I need. I agree with one/joy, looking at this all from a different perspective truly does help you grow and move past things.
Don’t feel guilty (ever) for being a nice person but do realize that people are taking advantage of that ‘niceness’ and using it to cause you great suffering. I have had to learn the same thing because I always thought that if you loved someone, you gave 1,000% of yourself. Which I have found out isn’t always the proper thing to do. We must reserve that 1,000% for those that have EARNED that from us. We have a tendency to just ‘give it away’ and it needs to be earned.
Hope you are doing alright.
I am doing okay, even though the stalking still continues…
lightly stalking, but stalking none the less.
I am going away for the day and going to put all this behind me.
Love and blessings from America…
Dupey
I’m so happy you’re going out for the day Dupey. Thanks for thinking of me. Glad you’re getting a lot out of “The power of now” I bought it for a friend at work who is a fragile soul but she doesn’t seem to be able to get into it. Anyhoo, I’ve ordered “The betrayal bond” today. Had a preview of it on amazon and it looks very good, if somewhat uncomfortable reading.
And I quote…….”loyalty to that which does not work, or worse, to a person who is toxic, exploitive or destructive to you, is a form of insanity”
……Oh flipping heck Dupey. Lol.
I think it’s time for me to admit my part, look at why I did it and hopefully not allow it to happen to me again. Being able to see the red
flags is part of it, I guess. I need to now look at me.
Hope you have a lovely day.
Ps I’ve finished my reports and went for an interview yesterday(my third one!) and got the job!!
Am well chuffed!!
😆
((strongawoman)) Thanks for thinking of me too. xxoo
Yah, I am getting some out of it but it’s very deep. Almost hurts my brain to read it. I read it as much as I can and then put it down. I am too ancy to sit and read for too long.
Oh right on: ‘The Betrayal Bond’, I think you will like it.
Yes, we have to look at ourselves. Not because we have done anything ‘wrong’ – we haven’t. It’s because we keep ‘feeling sorry’ for these kinds of people and it’s sucking up OUR lives while they move on and have just a grand old time…not really though; hm?
Yes, seeing the red flags IS a part of it. I saw part of them but I allowed my conscience to overtake me and that was part of the ploy as well.
I should have NEVER invited the devil in my door to begin with.
YAY FOR YOU: GOT THE JOB!!!!
Oh, I am so thrilled and happy for you!!!!
You have a lovely day, My Dear Friend…
I am running away to a Grand Daughter’s Birthday party and to a dance recital later this afternoon. The arts are important you know!
Big hugs and love ~ Dupey
Ha you’re running away!! Hooray for you!!
I’m an arts teacher so really glad to hear you say that! In fact I had to teach a lesson as part of my interview and my objective was to get the children to see music and performing as a way of learning life skills like confidence etc.
You’re so right on with your description …….I kept feeling sorry for him and that’s why I’ve gone back so many times like an idiot. I want to know why I have had strong feelings for someone who has nearly cost me everything.
Sending you a big hug Dupey doo.
Lots a love from miserable Yorkshire.
It’s still raining lol xx
I didnt know where to post this question so I am just throwing it out here.
Did anyone see Dateline last night? It was regarding a Con-man that appeared to have a profile of a “P”. However, none of the many many women (nor his wife) spoke about the “spell”. He did indicate the cycle of a “P” in pursuit up to discard. All the victims incurring emotional, mental, and financial abuse.
I was wondering why the word “P” was never mentioned from these women. One women located a few other victims and pursued legally but it was bittersweet. In my new evolved view, I saw and heard the evilness and attempts of confusion. I saw his smug smile as he left the courtroom as if he outsmarted everyone. I am sure thinking how he beat the system. He also took part in the interview and he sounded so stupid. This ability to “See” the truth is a gift that I received in this experience. I saw from a healthy persons perception. I was grateful for the growth. I also saw that there are other healthy people in the world.
This victim was going to get him exposed to the public even if she could not get him incarcerated.
The Con-man used the same techniques similar to my “P” such as the attention and the pity to build the bond and the bailout. I was hearing the same lies.
I was so amazed at how small minded and uncreative psychopaths really are. How once you can understand there profile, they are truly pathetic creatures. I do wish there was some type of justice and ability to expose them easily to help prevent future victims.
This man may have not been a “P” because none of the women indicated that there souls were raped or murdered. The dark abyss to come out of, if not, one would surely die. None of them indicated the deep bond of love and loyalty to
the point of being disintegrated.
I was just wondering if anyone saw Dateline and what their opinion was. The victims name was Ester. I forgot the Con-mans name..something Dog?
alivetoday,
The reason for not mentioning the P is a Psychopath is probably for legal reasons. Recounting his behaviour and deeds can be considered proven facts. But a mental diagnosis label, certainly from someone who isn’t a professional specialist on psychopathy, would invite trouble with the law. Meanwhile the victims’ subjecte introspection of the emotional and mental effect on them may either have been cut out or wasn’t focused on.
We can call our ex-es P’s here, because we are anonymous and the P is unnamed.
Hi alive today,
What a brilliant tag! I thank the Lord or whoever that is watching over me that I survived and am alive today! I’m very, very lucky.
I’m in the uk and don’t think we get that prog or if we do I don’t subscribe to that channel. What a pity. Sounds fascinating ….in an educational way. About spaths that is. Hmm, the poor victims. Flailing around trying to understand why these evil individuals meted out their “special” treatment.
Yes I totally agree with you. If only there was a common knowledge. It’s very sad.
Darwinsmom
Sorry I posted at the same time. Yes of course. Never thought of legal consequences. Sheesh
Thank you both for your support. Darwinsmom, They probably did cut that part out of the program. Strongawoman, I looked up Dateline on FB and there were several hundred comments from all perspectives.
I do hope that more will come to recognize and understand what a disordered person is and that they are very real in our world today. I also hope that I can have more peace than I do have today.
P.S. Strongawoman, I’m like a pig in mud when you described my tag as “brilliant”!! I cant quit smiling:)…I havent heard that in a long long time. Thank you.