By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Right. Some peace lillies are fun to keep in the closet.
here’s a link that explains
http://houseplants-care.blogspot.com/2006/10/peace-lily-care.html
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I LOVE the latin name of the “Peace lillies”! “Poisonous, keep in the closet” …. 😉 ….Thanks!!
Been wondering for weeks now whether to plant some peace lillies. Hmmmm…. 😉
Sebbo. This is the first time I have posted, although I have been reading just about everything on the site for the past few months, since realising that I was unwittingly involved with a spath. I totally relate to what you say about the sudden silence and how incredibly painful it can be. My spath ‘love bombed’ me from the time we first met. He wore me down and then moved in for the kill. After 5 and a half months of contact every day – usually at least 5 times- he suddenly turned off all contact ‘like a tap’. It coincided with the decision on my part to end the romantic side of things – I was fed up with being told how important I was, what a ‘soul mate’ etc etc (YUK) and then stood up at the last minute, time after time. There were too many inconsistencies. I now realise the Red Flags were there from the beginning…..and that everything was built on lies. Guess what? It turned out that he had been involved with someone else the whole time we were ‘together’. I could not work for 6 weeks after finding this out. On top of the devastation of hurting someone else, however unintentionally, I felt as ‘though I was in a stupor and that my very soul had been raped and violated. What made it all infinitely worse is that I am married & can’t share this anguish with anyone in my family, or any of my closest friends. Of course, this was part of the strategy.To seduce me, to cut me off from everything I hold most dear, including my treasured values such as fidelity, openness, trust etc. I must have been mad, in a trance, bewitched – I don’t know. I still struggle terribly – not least because I am married and have all that guilt to deal with on top of everything else. What I keep saying to myself is: ‘He never loved you, he is incapable of loving anyone, he is a sorry specimen of humanity who will never experience true joy or happiness – by his choice and no-one else’s’. I am living ‘in the now’, taking one day at a time, treasuring the many blessings in my life – including my husband. I hope you find peace and comfort from this blog, as I have.
Why has it taken so long to tend to the garden??
Hi Louise, I’m in the garden now!!
strongawoman:
Happy gardening 🙂
Oxy,
Your comment just now about setting boundaries brought something to mind.
Yesterday, my son and I got into it about a financial agreement that he had with a gym. He had to cancel because he got injured. He won’t be going to any gym for some time.
He said that he had canceled, and since there were monthly draws coming from my checking account, I asked him if he got it in writing.
Long story short there, he’s only 19 and doesn’t know how to read documents. What he got was an email acknowledging that his email was received, which he signed simply by the abbreviated version of his first name (although he did give the account number.) The email tha he received said that somebody would get back to him in 5-7 days. That’s all. Nothing that he had in writing would qualify as adequate financial documentation the way I view things, but it was better than nothing. We finally got the financial stuff straightened out, but I was left feeling that I didn’t want him to think that he couldn’t trust anybody. I simply wanted him to use his head and make sure he had everything covered.
I ended up explaining that we’re not supposed to mistrust everybody; there are people who can be trusted, but we don’t give away trust without knowing first whom and what that trust is being given to.
When I read your statement about boundaries, the image that I got was “locking the barn door after the horse had been stolen.” That’s how I used to do things, e.g., trust everybody until they did something to prove them untrustworthy.
That’s very naive. I have learned, the hard way, that I have to question who it is that I am letting into my barn and if I want them there in the first place.
It is very difficult to teach that to a young person because most people my son’s age have yet to go through the hard lessons of life.
What my son did, sort of, with the emails would be tantamount to handing somebody the key and asking them to lock the barn door. He didn’t know who he was turning the key over to, he should have kept the key in his possession and done the locking up himself, and he was very lucky that when he spoke with the customer rep, the company didn’t give him a hard time. They did work with him (with Mama heavily coaching in the same room.)
I honestly don’t think he got why I was making such a big deal out of things. I know, he’ll grow up and get it eventually, I hope.
Rather than learning to set boudaries, which to me seems like something people do after an injury, we’d be better served to learn how to determine who we let close to us in the first place, much like your rattlesnake example.
It’s foolish to have a barn, which is prudent and protective, but we don’t question who we are inviting in or giving a run of the place. I’m the type to invite everybody in for the barn dance. The more the merrier. Stupid, stupid me.
Grace,
I don’t think of boundaries as being set AFTER an event takes place but BEFORE there is a problem.
In business dealings I ALWAYS “get it in writing”—which means that I am OCD about keeping receipts for things I buy and keeping them filed where I can find them. Since in business you never know who you may be dealing with from a company at any one time. In fact, I have just had a round with AT&T’s “service”—LACK OF SERVICE would be better said. I write down the names of any person and the date and time I talked to them, the minutes/time I am on HOLD (I prefer to think of it as IGNORE! LOL)
As for dealing with other people that I know or don’t know well, how much “rope” I give them depends on several things—
The amount of “stuff” involved
How well I know them
How much I am liable to get hurt if it goes “south”
Teaching boundaries to a young person in business deals like this is difficult. My son C didn’t get my boundaries in business and finance that I tried to instill in him, and because of that he will though he has a good job, live always on the edge of poverty, but have lots of toys. I don’t know what will happen to him if he breaks a leg or gets seriously ill, he will not have a dime put back to have as a cushion for “a rainy day.”
I finally realized that “you can lead a horse to water…but you can’t make him drink” so you (*that’s the UNIVERSAL “YOU”) can teach till hell freezes over but it is up to the student to get the lesson.
I do applaud your efforts though to teach Junior about business and how to get this sort of thing handled.
Dupey, your post ato 10:05 yesterday is so good, so full of wisdom.
Sebbo and Ash, please read Back to the Edge’s from yesterday, 6/18 at 10:05. It really nails what one must do to recover.
Sebbo and Ash, I feel for you so bad. I had similar experience to yours Ash, but I never got physically involved. I was not love-bombed either…my path was my boss and he was oh so subtle. In Oct it will be a yr since he got fired. But I wish I could fire him from my soul.
I am also married and there is guilt for wanting this path to be in my life so badly. I so feel you Ash and you too, Sebbo.
I don’t know the answer to getting over these inhuman creatures who are so incomplete and lacking almost everything that makes a person human. But I think you are both on the right track.. Ash, you are def doing all the right things and I commend you for your strength. I know it isn’t easy and you are changed, but living in the now and counting the good things in your life are so key.
Sebbo, I do the same thing you do…why? why? why? But there are no answers. It’s like a car that won’t run and all the parts appear to be there and working. It just won’t run. Maybe for a few miles. Then it stops and you have to have it towed. One day you figure, hell, this is just not worth it. I have to do something about this car. Maybe you can’t afford it, but you figure out a way to get rid of this albatross and get another one…and you make damned sure that it is in good condition and runs fine. No guarantees it will stay fine….just like relationships.
I know for most people the emotional attachment to an object, though some do seem to have great feeling for their cars, can’t come close to that of a loved one. However, the analogy matches. The car is no good, neither is your path. She has issues you will not be able to figure out or understand. You have to accept that and not waste time with it. You will NEVER figure it out because you are not like that. Just like the mystery car. It doesn’t work so you have to turn your back on it. Literally. Trash it.
I am still looking for closure re: my experience. This guy just turned his sick back on me so many times after being so caring and appreciative and complimentary. Sure I want to know why. Sure, I feel like crap for a ton of reasons. He chose well…a decent human being, not perfect, who is insecure and very vulnerable. I got all into it and he was apparently hitting on others, cheating on his wife and young child too!!! When I tried to extricate myself, he sent me 25 emails in a row about how rash I was being, all his excuses…etc. He wanted me on his side by time so I wouldn’t rat him out..but someone else did. I have idea what happened but I hope he rots in his own filth.
I truly detest this creature. For him to fall off a cliff would be ok with me because you are not talking human here.
Ok, did not mean to get all into a rant.
Ash, you are on the right path.. Sebbo, I read and post here because the people are cool, smart and have been there. I like them. Also, I am looking for a *hook* – an aha comment that I can hitch my misery to when I feel crappy about path. I’ve had that happen before in my life. But for now, living in the present, trying to stay distracted (I’m job hunting which is depressing too, but helps) is all good.
Ash, you prob have endured feeling the disconnect from your husband..I’m trying to work on that too.
Good luck you guys.