By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
G1S, I’m having the same issues with my son – everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, and that just isn’t so. It may simply be that they don’t have enough of Life’s Experiences under their belts, yet, and they’ll “get it” after they’ve had bad experiences of their own. This is not to say, by any stretch of the imagination, that I wish for my son to have more horrible experiences – he’s had e-frigging-nuff, already! But, he still hasn’t been able to put pieces together and find any self-worth, and I can’t fix this for him.
I hope your son’s injury heals, soon – sprains take so much longer than fractures to heal. UGH
Brightest blessings
Thanks Still Reeling. It is good to know that you have a similar story to mine – as far as being married while being involved with a spath goes. Your boss spath sounds like a total creep!
Something that strikes me again and again on reading all the stories on the Love Fraud blog; Donna’s book (‘Love Fraud’), Martha Stout’s (The Sociopath Next Door) and others is just how many characteristics, strategies and even vocabulary is/are shared by spaths.
My Spath used ‘mirroring’ to great effect. He watched and researched me carefully for a year before contacting me ‘for a cup of coffee’. He soon found out that I love animals, my family, classical music, the outdoors etc. Also that my spirituality and my values are very important to me. And (surprise) …he said that he was exactly the same and had the same interests and values!
I’ve thought long and hard about just why I was vulnerable. I’ve read many posts, the Betrayal Bond, etc etc. and have come to the conclusion that:
1. There was an emotional vacuum in my life due to the departure of my best friend for a new life in a far country 6 months prior. We were/are incredibly close and used to do all sorts of things together, like go to concerts and plays etc. When she left, it felt like a part of me had gone with her.
2. I had been very stressed financially for some time, with contracts not materialising as expected due to the knock on effect of the recession. This was on the back of 2 decades of carrying 60-75 % of the financial load for my family. I was feeling let down by my husband and that he had not done enough over the years to share the load. Like a shark, the spath scented blood in the water….
I will post again soon – have to dash to fetch kids.
Thanks again x
StillReeling, you mentioned the “disconnect.” I will say this as a truthful statement: had I not found this site when I did, I would NEVER have been able to disconnect with the exspath, nor call him for what he is as soon as I did.
Having said that, the truths don’t make it any easier to manage my situation, but I know – truly know – what he is and that no marital counseling or rational discussions will ever change that fact. Moving away from him wasn’t an issue, thanks to this site. But, moving ON from the betrayals has been a daunting challenge! LOL
Brightest blessings
Looking back now, I can see how laughable some of the lies were. Here is a list. It would be interesting to see how many of these statements are common to spaths across the board (although I suppose some were tailored specifically to me, because of my interests).
1. I have a big house and garden in which I live by myself with my animals. It is so lonely, but I am making the best of it (yeah right – he was living with someone at the time and it wasn’t his house)
2. I have a yacht and am planning a trip for the holidays. It would be so great if you could come too…. (he doesn’t have a yacht)
3. I have a pilot’s licence. Want to come for a flip with me sometime? (of course he doesn’t have a licence)
4. I run 4 successful businesses. I’m sure there are ways in which we could collaborate. We have such synergy together (the guy seems to be permanently in-between jobs)
4. I am tender hearted. My ex-wife was unfaithful to me and broke my heart. (the ex wife probably ran a mile once she got wise to him and to his philandering)
5. I am kind and generous. I bought my mother a car. I bought you a Christmas present and a Valentine’s present too (oops….but I keep on forgetting to bring them with me to give to you when I see you).
6. I am close to my parents and they often come to stay with me (yet he never mentioned them by name).
7. I love my grandfather and visit him regularly (coincidentally very close to where your parents live).
8. I love kids & volunteer once a year for a Christmas Programme where I hand out toys to needy children (the guy had absolutely no interest in children at all).
9. I adore my animals. I have just paid $3000 to have my puppy’s health problem fixed. (highly doubtful)
10. I am passionate about classical music and am an audiophile. In fact, I play the piano and have a top of the range sound system. (the guy knows nothing about classical music and I doubt very much whether he plays the piano)
11. There is such incredible chemistry between us. You are my perfect match, my soul mate (yeah right).
12. I will never hurt you. You can trust me – you have my word. (his word isn’t worth anything & he is the most untrustworthy person I have ever met)
In reality, the guy didn’t seem to have a proper job, was always complaining about ‘cashflow problems’ in his businesses and that he had been discriminated against unfairly by his employers. He was quite viciously racist as well as misogynist at times. On seeing my reaction (I can’t abide either) he would say he was ‘only joking’ and that it was his ‘weird sense of humour’.
Every time he invited me to visit him at his house ‘to meet his pets who were dying to see me’, a problem cropped up. Here are some of the excuses.
1. There is a problem with the door at work and I have had to call the Locksmith.
2. I have to drive to X (a distant town) to go and collect a part for my car.
3. There is a strike at work that I have to resolve (I am a trained mediator and labour law expert).
4. I have just been called into a strategy meeting at a potential employer’s. This could potentially mean a contract for you as well.
5. I have to have a series of medical tests.
6. My contract hasn’t been renewed at work and I am very depressed. I am not such good company at the moment.
Unbelievably, I fell for his lies. I am one of those people who blush if I tell a lie & can’t conceive of anyone deliberately spinning yarns, or planning to harm someone with malice aforethought. Something I read (I can’t remember where) has stuck in my mind: that spaths feel a sense of ‘glee’ when they deceive their target. That they enjoy lying and get a thrill out of duping their victim.
If the Spath had strategised for a year about how best to hurt me (which he probably did), he couldn’t have done a better job. I have to live with being ‘The Other Woman’, ‘The Unfaithful Wife’ and ‘The Fool’ for the rest of my life. I know I have to forgive myself and move on – but it is the cold-hearted, brutal and calculating malice that I find so chilling and hard to forget. I wake at times with a sense of nausea and profound depression. I know it will pass and that what doesn’t break me will make me stronger. The best ‘revenge’ I can have is to live well, live fully, live abundantly and live every moment.
Thanks for listening. I have so needed to share my story.
“Only joking” is a big tip-off for me. It tells you what they think is funny.
If it includes being funny at somebody else’s expense, that isn’t funny. I take it that the person most likely has no problems with abusing others.
Yes, truth, “moving on from the betrayals” has been the worst and most challenging aspect for me. There was a lot of crap from Godzilla that I internally (and often externally) just laughed and rolled my eyes at. That just infuriates me more because I’m sure he was waaaaaaaaaaaay onto that and just used it as bait to reel me into other the larger, insidious and sinister toxin of believing in him.
As you stated, Ash, he made his presence in my life seem karmaic. Even tho he screwed up and did and said things that made no sense at all, he formed a bond and connection that someone like me, (even though I am cynical and skeptical and have no faith in anything), believed in! HOW did he do that???? I knew he was full of it, and he did nothing but offer crumbs, but I fell upon them like a sick hungry pigeon.
I AM SOOOOOOOOO DISGUSTED with ME and it’s affecting my family, my job hunt and the horrible feelings I have about myself and aging. I was always so young, looking, acting, sense of humor, etc. OK. STOP!!! I have to do that to myself sometimes…just know, that is the most hideous part. In spite of any skepticism, mistrust, no matter how careful you are, these soul-sucking vultures can and will figure out who is susceptible to them and swoop right down upon you…I am just angry that I succumbed to so little from him and made excuse after excuse for his emotional abuse. I hate me sometimes.
Truly I let this creep affect me so much, I don’t have the confidence that is so desperately needed today to find a job. Esp being older. It’s all just a mess.
Truth, the disconnect I was speaking of was with my husband. Because of path, what my hub and I had together, which would not make the Best Marriages list, feels like it’s been shot dead. He is so emotionally repressed, it’s not even funny but I know he feels it. I don’t think he cares….as I said he’s been repressed since childhood, I’m sure due to family situation. A good family but well, that’s another story. He may even have someone…I just don’t know..
But I do hear what you’re saying Truth…I know this blog is very helpful…I just need that magic hook and I know I’ll find it.
Ash, you are right….Louise and I discussed this early on and others…the similarities among these creatures is mind-boggling. But then again, it is an illness with symptoms. And the cure should be execution or lifetime in either prison or an institution of sorts to keep them from ruining others’ lives. They are criminals.
Your last post could have been mine…my path lied in very much in the same way. You said, “Unbelievably, I fell for his lies. I am one of those people who blush if I tell a lie & can’t conceive of anyone deliberately spinning yarns, or planning to harm someone with malice aforethought. Something I read (I can’t remember where) has stuck in my mind: that spaths feel a sense of ’glee’ when they deceive their target. That they enjoy lying and get a thrill out of duping their victim.”
I feel exactly the same way. I know path Godzilla was also racist and misogynistic. Again this is a sickness with symptoms. And being narcissists, they really can’t “like” anyone but themselves. I don’t care if it stems from insecurity or not.
Godzilla also invited me over and I declined but only because I’d been sick that week and didn’t want him to see how sickly I looked (part of my own sickness is the need to feel I look perfect all the time…and I’m aging so a huge sense of depression is setting in). As soon as I told him my hub was out of town, all of a sudden he was not with his wife anymore (living in another place he owned before they met)….I did not know about that..knew they were having problems. I wanted to go so badly but so glad I didn’t. I am VERY sure that if I had gone over there, it would have been a 15 min visit (I already told him no sex and he had just had outpatient surgery so he couldn’t) he would have gotten a call about work or a fam issue and sent me on my way. Or he may have killed me. Maybe it would have just been a fun afternoon. That would have been worse than his killing me. I am so obsessive I’m sure I would still be living off it, then drop to the depths when I realized it was done. I use fantasy to escape reality when bad things are happening.
All that to say Godzilla and all other paths have the same MO. They are sick and have no compassion, feelings or guilt, no conscience. Unlike some mental illnesses, where it’s obvious that there are issues, these creeps of nature hide their very heinous, deadly behaviors from sight, replacing them with fake kindness and incredible karmaic connections, then sh*t right in your face.
You do have it nailed Ash. You are going to be OK.
Hang tight all.
G1S,
“only joking” and “I’m only messin” were two phrases my ex used a lot. I was always over sensitive or didn’t have a sense of humour, according to him. He enjoyed being cruel but would try worm his way out by saying it was just a joke or of course denying he’d ever said such a thing.
Mind farking
Yes, love “only joking;”
Path told me about something he said to his wife which he thought was just hysterical and I was disgusted by it. I told him it wasn’t funny and she was looking to be comforted by him, not thrown to the dogs.
This was in the beginning of our “ugh friendship,” when we would go somewhere on another floor of our bldg and talk.
I was “getting” interested in him at this pt, but not all the way there yet. He prefaced the story by saying, “I’ll bet you’d never get angry about this….”
Then told me the story.
After hearing it, I said, “Oh yes I would! You owe her an apology.”
Actually I never minced words with him….just made a lot of excuses for the way he treated me.
HI STILL REELING:
Yes, me too, never minced words; hmm…
just made a lot of excuses for the way he treated me…yup!
The very same strengths we had, that attracted them to us, are the things they want for themselves. That is what turned their ‘affections’ rancid, because they found us too strong and that infatuation turned into resentment because THEY can’t be like us. HOW DARE US? Right? At least that’s the way it was with my PPATH.
Are we talking about the same ppath? Mine, likewise, told me a story similar to that, which HE told his (now) ex wife and he thought it was hilarious. In fact, he even rationalized the intense and severe BEATING he gave her as being HER own fault. Nothing is ever THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. HUGE RED FLAG. JUST HUGE.
I have heard and witnessed so many vile and disgusting things during that relationship that I actually do now believe that evil walks amongst us and is every vile thing we have imagined it to be. I have danced with the devil and escaped with my life.
I found that towards the end, although I would never allow him to move in and live with me, him becoming increasingly more violent and aggressive towards me so I was happy that I at least paid attention to my gut instincts when I first said ‘no’, to the ‘moving in part’. The past couple of years was from a distance and I found my tongue not able to control itself. haha
I certainly am not a person, after everything I have come through, in my lifetime, to allow a sick psychopath to move in and control my life. I didn’t understand or know what this was all about for a long time. DEATH would have been easier than the mental abuse and psychological abuse I have endured because of this ‘being’. If there is any doubt, whatsoever, about the validity of my claims, I am certain all the medical professionals I have dealt with the past four years would correlate my assertions 1,000%. The stalking WILL stop or I will take every cent of the millions he has acquired by hoodwinking and sexual encounters and chance meetings on the internet.
I was one of those ‘targets’ and it has taken me a long time to see it. THAT is how expert they are at getting what they want. Apparently, they aren’t too expert at it because they leave a whole lot of hateful people in their wake. I don’t know about you, but that’s not the way “I” want to live MY LIFE. Always looking over my shoulder for ugly stuff I have done to someone else…hm?
Yes, they owe us all an apology but don’t hold your breath waiting for it. The best thing you can do is NC, if you aren’t already and keep it that way and move forward, live in the NOW and don’t look back for one second because it just really isn’t worth it in the long run.
I know that might sound hateful, but it isn’t, really…
Just ‘resolved’.
Have a good day; would ya, anyways?
😛
Dupey
strongawoman: my ppath had threatened to murder me, this one time, by leaving me a message on my answering machine, saying that he was going to come visit me and wait until I went to sleep and then cut me up into tiny, little pieces, and the rest was all so explicit and detailed….and that was only one of many instances where bodily harm was threatened. After he threatened me that instance, 3 days later he showed up at my door and was escorted out of town by 3/4 of the entire police force here. Which didn’t make him very happy, to say the least; however, I did get my point across and I absolutely mean it. No matter what my LYING HEART keeps trying to tell me.
when I took measures to protect myself, I was told:
“I can’t believe you actually believed me when I said that!”
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Then, my suggestion would be to NOT say those things, right?
THAT was even my fault: believing his death threats.
ahahahahahahahaha
That’s just an easy escape for them…that’s all that was.
They may say things they don’t mean but I NEVER say anything I don’t mean; what about you? Least of all threats of homicide.
And to think the moron left that one, on my ANSWERING MACHINE!!!!!! Before he was completely blocked from my life. I have been trying to make him go away steadily for the past two years now. And it is like it never stops. (UGH!)