By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
oxy,
you’re absolutely right. none of it is ‘fake’ … as though we want to experience these terrible physical symptoms.
i’ve lost 26 so far … in 5 months. haven’t lost any in 3 weeks though. trying to stay on an even keel and not start up with uncontrolled eating.
i’m trying to find me. 28 months NC already. but i think about him less and less, and am starting to truly feel free.
TOWANDA!
Ox- I definitely wasn’t ready to receive a lot of “preachin” on here while I was here before. I came here a total mess and naive with severe PTSD and anxiety, fear, guilt, and mass amounts of ANGER and BITTERNESS. I learned so much about what I was dealing with but the anger and isolation and self pity was really getting in the way. I was full of self pity and only saw myself as the victim and was feeling very selfish, even though I was giving to everyone else but me.
I was so impatient-which is a huge flaw for me. I was hating my job, career, coworkers so much and trying to change careers and stressing over all the big things AND all the small things. Some things have happened since at work and I came out of myself. I got to a point here on lovefraud where I had learned SO much but then got to the point where I had to step back. My best friend was telling me that I needed to get away from the blog because I was getting in a rut and it was becoming even harder for me to leave it all behind me. I was just dwelling on the relationship too much. At that point I was stuck in bitterness and I was antagonizing people on here and made a lot of people very angry with me.
I ended up talking to my old boss and finding out that she didn’t want me to come back there until all the crap in the place got straightened out because there was a massive regime change. I also had an experience with a patient at work. I coded him all night in the cath lab in which I was the only RN and the docs made me run the code. I was scared to death. It was the middle of the night and I got called out for a man who went into ventricular fib while having sex. All night long, I pushed epi and atropine and did compressions and had a massive unresponsive seizing man on the table. I was angry because I just knew this man would NEVER make it and why did we continue all night long. Nobody codes someone for that long. Surprise to me-he lived. He went home and was playing golf and went right back to his life and yesterday I was once again his nurse when he came back in to PCI another vessel that we couldn’t get before.
I also started to realize that I am SO lucky to have a full time job with benefits and VERY high pay, when almost 10% of the population in this country don’t have jobs. Now I am doing my best to be positive everyday and not complain too much. Also, to help hold me over until I can become a police officer, I am taking the forensic nurse course to be certified as a Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner. I will finish at the end of February and will do clinicals and then sit for the exam. I will be able to get a job PRN in that area-doing rape exams, collecting evidence and being there for support for women who are experiencing this trauma. I have been there. I am strong and hopeful and no longer naive, and my former call sign on lovefraud was Erin1972. 🙂 I did take all the things you said to heart.:):):)
Candy-that is freakin awesome that you are moving. It will be awesome for your spath to come back and find you gone. TOWANDA!
Dear ERIN/nolonger naive,
Your name didn’t “ring a bell” with me, but that doesn’t mean diddly because I have CRS pretty bad! LOL
Darling, I am SOOOO GLAD TO SEE YOU BACK HERE and to hear the SANITY in your voice! TOWANDA darlin’!!!!! You can’t know just how much joy that gives me to know you are okay. Believe it or not I have thought about you so much. When people come on here and then “disappear” especially ones who are OBVIOUSLY IN SO MUCH PAIN and you were definitely in pain, I worry (that’s just my problem, but I DO worry!) and so it is always wonderful when someone comes back and says “i’M DOING GREAT!”
I know that nursing can be STRESSFUL to the max, and running a code is always stressful, but I finally got to the point that I figured “I’m working on a dead person, so it can only get better”
YOU ARE fortunate to have a job with good pay and benefits for sure, with 10% of the folks looking for work not finding it. I think you will do well in the rape exams and counseling newly victimized people, because you have had experience with Ps and know how that feels and if a rapist isn’t a psychopath I don’t know what is!
Here on LF we reach our hands out to others who are may like you were, not able AT THAT MOMENT to grasp the care and love that is extended, but eventually, the feelings do get through to the person. I’m glad all my “lecturing” you did help in the end, and I am SO GLAD you are back!!! We need your voice of sanity and caring! (((Hugs)))) and God bless.
Oxy-thank you very much. I don’t what happened when I stepped back, but suddenly I knew how to deal with the coworkers and the toxicity there. I started being really nice instead of really serious/intense/non trusting Erin. Something just clicked. I actually took a trauma class at my spaths hospital a couple weeks ago and even went up in his ICU to visit my girls. I did stay in contact there and some of the gals recognized that I was the same old Erin and they know what he is. I had zero anxiety about the whole thing. I strutted in there just like it used to be my home and I didn’t see him.
It is true what you said earlier-I may be fat right now but at least I can lose weight and get fit and he will always be an EVIL, TOXIC, LOSER who will never change. I am even moving into my dream apartment on his side of the river. Why shouldn’t I have the things I deserve because we frequent the same grocery store. To hell with it all. Since my boss told me to wait til 2012 to come back to the police, I will be in the best shape of my life and totally debt free because I have the time and the means to do both. This move is going to be the most wonderful thing for me. It’s the place I’ve always wanted. I can exercise in my living room without people complaining that I make too much noise and be able to sleep and breathe without chronic fungal sinus infections from mold. I’m so excited about everything-including being able to come back here and encourage new people who are going through the worst of it now. I feel like I have something to offer without constantly dwelling on what happened to me and my old relationship. ((hugs to you too)) and God bless. He is blessing me right now because I no longer feel like he hates me for what I did. I am forgiven. I had to have a new name on here because the old one was for a different time and a different place and I think this one is fitting right now!
Erin72 – glad you have been taking care and learning about yourself (you did make a ‘grand’ exit. ;))
i am really glad that you are doing so well. i have wondered how you are doing.
best,
one step
Onestep-thanks so much and I really hope that you are doing well too. I will be able to catch up on here a little bit! 🙂 I’m actually quite embarrassed about my exit! 🙂
but you owned it! immediately, and with clarity. looks good to me!
Hey Oxy, guess what-the at work socio that I told you about earlier just texted me on my phone. Were we right about his intentions or what? What the hell is a married man doing texting me on a Saturday night? I don’t HAVE to be nice and I’m not returning it. We had a work dinner last night and he texted-“hey girl, it was so great to see you come out with us last night”-freakin rat bastard!!!
nolongernaive –
“I’m so excited for my life right now. I am moving out of my mold infested tiny slum apartment and got a dream place that is just like having my own house. I am just starting to say ok- I’m fat right now, but it’s not the end of the world. I am starting a whole new nutrition/exercise program after the first of the year and I am enjoying myself right now-getting more sleep and de-stressing.”
Wow! You go girl! I’m so please for you and I just know that the changes you are making will keep you strong, because they are some of the same ones I made post-spath and I am getting stronger all of the time. (I’m only new here, but welcome back anyhow)
candy –
“Would love to have cctv to see the look on his face when he turns up and the house is empty.”
So glad you are in a position to move on and away from this creep. Hope it all goes smoothly for you and that you land softly at your new place.