By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Tea Light:
I understand. It’s human to want to be closer to people, but sometimes that is what gets us into trouble. At other times, it turns into something beautiful. It’s really the chance we take. Love to you. x
Dearest Truthspeak and Louise,
I am grateful for the clarity and validation that your responses have given me….this community is a Godsend. I am soo glad I googled “how to get over being played”…i thought i was just the victim of a shameles -mean- male ho..
Oh, he was so much worse than those sweeties ! lol
He is an EVIL S– M—–Co—–Jerk…Pr—…use the imagination.
Forgive the venom b/c it is bubbling to surface like a volcano.
I would like to shoot that volume of hot lava straight thru him…where the sun don’t shine. ( I know, not nice…I have not reached the “GRAY ROCK” state yet, nor serenity….my goal !)
I will try to find one strength to focus on…and let it grow again. I used to feel very serene and spiritual….( I know that is hard to decipher with all the profanity : ) I will get that back …damn him to h— ( i know…this is not befitting a loving creature–boy did he turn me inside out…MF)
Other women…now there is a hilarious topic.
He told me i was so beautiful…he only wanted me. Truth be told, weeks after meeting, he confessed SUPER long term infidelity with second wife…blah , blah BS about how she cut him off and he admittedly was not emo available (that’s an understatement…his emo life does not have a f”ing pulse)
And , yes, i bought all the BS about how he got counseling and has been faithful in every relationship since. WOW…what a boy scout he is !!!!
I think he told me b/c he gets pleasure in taunting a victim with certain truths that she will kick herself for ignoring later. That is truly heinous!!!!
OK…I feel better now…off to go scream @....... some trees and then ….
Meditate : )
I will also still believe in humanity….just no longer fairies…and no more open n free trust…that will have to be earned.
If I ever do find a mate in this life he will have to work damn hard to win me b/c this woman is done with scum!!!!???###@.......@!!@.......#$%$%^^
Bluemosaic ps was this too harsh ? lol
To all,
Sorry for the ugly posts…i have had avery dark day.
and don’t worry , I will not date for a long time….obviously, right now I am a s–t magnet.
I feel like he convinced me to go bungy jump and cut the cord.
Blue
Blue, hows the screamin at trees goin? lol. Stop apologising woman it’s fine. Get it out girl……..hugs
Strongawoman,
The trees took it well…I screamed , they listened and gave me unconditional love, the way only a tree can. lol
I happened to notice something in posts above that rings true for me as well….I don’t do superficial freindships…I am either deep freinds or you are an aquaintence. Must work on not being too open with too many…that is a problem for me.
Is this possibly another trait they seek…the deep soulful type of person, who loves everyone? I have long felt he was attracted to that part of me…he used to tell me so. But not for the goodness of it…I believe he wanted to vampire it and took pleasure in damaging the “peace Aura” peolpe used to tell me I had.
I know it sounds peacock-ish…I am sorry for that( ohhh the shame i have spewing…ughh) I knew I had some spiritual growth stuff happen…b/c I felt it and my freinds sometimes aquaintences would tell me they felt peace around me and I had light in my eyes.
ok….sounds like BS, but even my ex-husband told me, several months after I met the spath, that the light in my eyes was gone.
My ex-h knew nothing of what was really going on…now he knows all and is trying to help me heal. I thank GOD for his compassion and that he cared enough for me as Mother to our children to be supportive. Best freind I will ever have…too bad our M- did not work.
Thx to you all …for hearing my cyber pain today.
Bluemosaic
Bluemosaic,
I think it’s wonderful that your ex-husband is being supportive! I feel the same way about so many of my work colleagues with whom I have shared my story. They have ALL been on my side; they have been appalled at the behavior of my ex and have believed me without question. It’s very validating.
Also, I am just like you in terms of looking for deep, meaningful relationships. I’m sure that was one of my vulnerabilities, although I think it is more of a strength than a weakness. We can all use what we have learned from this and be stronger, wiser, and ultimately happier people, I am sure of it! (And when it comes to the anger, I have learned to feel it and express it, and I am definitely feeling better. I have essentially embraced the anger. It feels good to get it out, so I hope you will have the same experience!)
I also wanted to mention that the spath in my life LOVED the Twilight movies! Your comment about vampires reminded me of that. I wasn’t into the whole series, and I wondered why he liked them so much. Now I think it’s because he could literally relate to the vampires. LOL!!! That is so fascinating to me! And he told me more than once that he was “scared” of snakes. It was just one of the ways in which he confused and deceived me, since he essentially IS a snake!
Hugs to you!
Hugs to you too Laura19 : )
I too beleive that it is essentially a good trait to be loving and caring in our freindships. I just think I will be so much more guarded in love relationships…when I decide to do that next decade…lol
My spath was into rough, manly movies…OMG…I am blown away by what first came to mind!!!???”><@.......$%^&*(
He loved the movie PREDATOR…Holy S—
How prophetic
Bluemosaic
I hear you…I definitely will be cautious in the future when it comes to dating, no doubt!!
Predator…yes, very prophetic. Mine also really loved violent movies (of course). I really dislike violent movies. This was one of many signs that he wasn’t right for me. But I thought, oh, he’s a guy, they like this kind of stuff, and I ignored the feeling of discomfort I had. Oh well. I am learning so much from this experience!!!
Blue, I so identify with the things you’ve mentioned. I’m not as open as I used to be. I have a few very close friends. Everyone else I tend to keep at arms length. I don’t trust easily now…..a lesson learned after the spath.
Blue you don’t sound peacockish at all….just damaged by your experience. Glad your husband is standing by you.
Let your beautiful colours shine, Bluemosaic!
And yes Blue, they do seek out goodness and kindness in their targets. Then they try to destroy that beauty….they want to wipe it out. They hate you for the person you are. They envy what they see. They want to be you. But they cannot. It is impossible.
I had a hard time wrapping my head around this concept. The complete antithesis of caring and kindness. Of love. They search for those feelings we take for granted in a way. They are never forthcoming Blue. You take comfort in that thought tonight. He will never have what you have.