By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Laura19:
Good for you!! Stay strong! 🙂
Hi Laura,
the spath’s new gf sounds like a drama queen/vampire.
Trust NO ONE who is still in the clutches of the spath. Remember, they want a response because it means they have power over us. They’ll use other people to exert that power. My ex-spath used the cop minions, the neighbor minions, and my own spath family members to make me respond to him.
No response is the best response. I’m glad to hear you’re feeling strong and that you have the support of your colleagues and friends.
Laura19, yeah…..follow your gut on this one. Anyone who is associated with the spath has “an agenda,” whether it’s for her own purposes or on his behalf.
We are not responsible for the health or well-being of other spath victims. The only time that would be concievably appropriate to intervene would be if her life were clearly in danger. Even then, it would still be a “back door” contact with the spath because she is associated with him.
And, you can bet a year’s salary that she didn’t contact you “by accident.” There are no such things in the World Of Spath!
Brightest blessings
Hi Skylar and Truthspeak!
I really appreciate your responses. What you wrote just reaffirmed my decision to be silent! It actually feels really, really good to ignore it and therefore ignore him. Yay me!
I also wanted to thank you both for the support you’ve given me over the last two months, especially when we were able to chat on Skylar’s website. That made such a difference for me, you have no idea! So thank you so much.
Laura19, TOWANDA for you!!!!
Laying down boundaries and keeping them high and impermeable is probably the most empowering “feeling” possible. You aren’t OBLIGATED to respond or react, and that is what is so empowering – that you recognize this as a choice and that you’re choosing to protect yourself from a potentially disastrous situation. Oh, hell…..let’s call it what is is: a definitely disastrous machination.
GOOD FOR YOU!!!!! Thank your Self, Laura19 – all of us in recovery have reached out for affirmation and validation on this site. But, it’s ultimately each individual determining their own course of actions.
Brightest blessings!!!
Hello to all,
I am making my way through a list of all violating, dis-respectful, insulting, abusive and cruel things the monster I loved did to me.
Proof to myself that I do not love him. I am a good human being, with a kind spirit, big heart and I know I deserve the same! So do you !! : )
Trith is that many points on list occured in first months….ahhh, I do recall thinking “wow, man…that is one f’ed up statement?” But ofcourse I always let it slide under the radar….eventually unplugging my radar or it would have short circuited!!! LOL
I will recount here, what I like to refer to as “the macoroni incident”
Monster had taken me away to a lovely beach for a week holiday! Sounds so romantic…and it was . MOOnlit walks on the beach, fancy dinners out, tons of warm romantic intimate moments shared, fun, laughter, yeah!!!…some really great sex…boy did I think I had died, gone to heaven! I was so sure he was the love of my life!!!
Then at dinner, 4 days into our trip?, not sure. We would both order something the other liked as well, and share our meal half way through. I ordered a huge plate of high end, upscale version , of mac- n cheese. Boy was it yummy! Don’t even remember what his was…reason being I never had a bite.
When I was about half through with mac n chz, he asked “are you ready to switch?” I hesitated to answer for a few seconds and then said yes. Truth is , I really was digging the dish but knew I did not want it on my hips in morning plus wanted to follow our usual share-meal plan. His voice and eyes changed immediately with my hesitation. He got angry. Said he could tell that I had just told a lie…then accused me of being a liar…and called me on how I always claimed to be so honest. Then he said it made him angry that I was willing to give him my meal just b/c I wanted to share with him.Made him even angrier when I admitted to wanting to see him enjoy it b/c I loved him. He said no one should ever do anything for anyone else ,that takes from them what they want HUH?
At this point, he is yelling…I had completely stopped eating..was not responding to his statements b/c I instinctively knew anything further I said would only incite more rage. He continued to verbally insult me for another 5 minutes or so. …then we left. Boy were we stared at by all other diners.
I went to the beach that night, cried alone. He was cold and cruel towards me for the rest of eve…in the morn, he found me alone on the beach again..all he said was he was ashamed of himself. I started a pattern that continued all year…I told him I forgave him. I always attributed these events as strictly related to his heavy drinking…like that was ok.
I was attacked over mac n chz. Did I really want to give my love and nurturing and presense to a man who would attack my character over a plate of mac n chz?
AHHHHHH…no.
Bluemosaic
Blue,
The anger over the hesitation in your voice….I experienced it too.It was absolutely awful!It was as if he would attack with glee anytime he saw an inroad.I do believe it is a tactic to make the target feel overwhelmingly guilty.I think he was deliberately destroying any good feelings I had about myself.He was slowly killing me without putting his hands on me.
Blue, what an abusive raging idiot. I am intrigued by this upscale macaroni cheese. Was it a combination of cheeses , or the addition of extras eg bacon that made it so good? 😉 joking aside holidaying with a man you don’t really know will usually reveal plenty. My abuser’s mask dropped on holiday. My theories? I was trapped, far from the airport in a rural area and reliant on him and his car, plus he wanted to be in control at all times and on holiday you aren’t, you are out of your usual enviroment so he became easily riled. He pretends to be a worldly person but actually lives a very rigid regimented life and freaks when that is disrupted. He feels happiest at home a little king in his little castle abusing his subject/s. Wife, kid, me, till I realised the truth. I had “the Steak incident.” He knew I am squeamish about blood. We order steaks in a restaurant. The standard order for French men is “rare” or “medium rare”. He orders “bleu” which is seared briefly but uncooked within. Literally raw meat. Seeing him eat raw meat was very unpleasant for me. He laughed maliciously at my discomfort and tried to make me eat pieces of the raw meat. Anyway keep sharing Blue! Be strong and feel at peace with the world soon. God bless x
Blue I wrote a reply to the mac chez incident but Lord knows what happened! Anyway I wanted to say your spath must have been reading from the same handbook as mine. Hated liars ….so he said. Would rage if you hesitated in giving a reply and the accuse you of lying. He was of course the biggest liar going.
Btway I had mac chez for tea tonight and it was yum. Hope you keep moving forward Blue. I found the longer I had NC the clearer I could see. And I don’t know if anyone else experiences this, but, when I am tempted to think about the “good” times, barf, another horrendous memory pops up. One that was well and truly buried!!
Hello My Dear New Freinds : )
Ahhh yes, the mac n chz incident will go down in history as one of the most ridiculous pieces of crap I have ever taken from a man. If I had that moment to do over …I would have told him to eat it all and take me home, and never speak to him again. Ofcourse, home was 1ooo’s miles away…yep, had me cornered.
Blossom4th;
Thought came to me with something you said…..raking a persons heart/soul over coals is a hell of alot more painful than breaking their legs. Takes longer to heal too. I must really have been numb to have allowed all I did…working on it.
Tea Light;
This mac n chz had 4 different cheeses and bacon! Heart attack on a plate…for sure! Something you said blew my mind….He was extremely regimented in his patterns and daily wake/sleep time. Very odd , he HAD to have lunch at 11:30 everyday no matter what! He also prefered to do intimate things during certain hours. Maybe this is too personal a share , but when we 1st met, we would be “romantic” early am /mid day or late eve…then very early on , he made it clear that he really prefers a certain time of day for intimacy only. I accepted it, but I do remember thinking it was strange.
He also became out of sorts on a trip..not seeming to be able to handle any change to his daily patterns. But hands down, his rages were the worst on a trip.
Strongawoman;
I think now that he actually targeted me partly b/c I was so honest. On our 1st date, he asked me what one defining character trait I had was…I told him I was extremely honest. I got the predator stare…not knowing that is what it was …I just thought he was impressed!!!LOL I think he hated me for it b/c he is the most dishonest human being I have ever met. He often told me he does not trust women…I was in the “pity the poor hurt man” phase of him convincing me he had been hurt by last girlfreind…that statement should have alarmed me…..WELL, next time I hear that, IT WILL !!!
I am feeling a little better today, Louise???? are you there? feeling a little better? I hope and pray so. I am going to do the EFT before bed tonight…thx again for all the feedback.
Canceled the therapist, I will find one who fits me.
I have thought alot of him today…I keep telling him to go to his icy / flowering grave that I made for him. It is not that he deserves the flowers in his grave…it is that I deserve to maintain the dignity and “high road” that keeps me from being a craven soul such as he.
Peace n much LOVE
Bluemosaic