By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
Yes Blue he targeted you for your honesty amongst other things I’m sure. They hate that others have what they do not possess…..a conscience being one of them. It is so repulsive for me to realise the amount of bs he projected onto me. And a lot of the time I took it. He was laughing up his sleeve I bet. I had heard of projection but not about gaslighting. I knew he was bad I just didn’t know how to escape. He did the real deal on me. He is a vacuous and empty being and always will be. Strongawoman now spits on the memory of the spath and feels MUCH better!
bluemosaic:
Yes, feeling a bit better now. Coming to acceptance with so many things. Thanks for asking.
Louise,
I thought of you yesterday. I took my guy to the audiologist and we met his wife there. (she had a prior apt.) and was running late.
I had never been to this office before and had a bit of trouble finding the building. We turned into the parking lot in front of the building…….and I said, Ah, yes…..897 X Street…Yup this is it.
He reads the sign on the building and says……”XXX Hearing and Impairment. This must be it…..I’m hard of hearing and you must be impaired!”
OMG….I cracked up soooo hard! I’m still laughing!
These are the moments which make it all so special!!!!
I hope your doing well Louise! Hang in there~
Blue *drool* my cholesterol is too high I’m forbidden to eat more than a matchbox size piece of cheez a week and no bacon. 🙁 Fixed times for (pseudo)intimacy? That’s..nice?! As if it’s a bodily function to attend to like eating and going to the toilet. Mine just would not leave me alone physically it was like permanent harassment. I was so embarassed when he put his tongue in my mouth on the street I am affectionate but reserved and I cannot do that. I told him it makes me self conscious. He went silent. The next day we go on a day trip to a small town. He tells me in the car “I want you to kiss me often today with your mouth open. That is very important to me”. He meant in public, in the street. Who says that to someone?? Who orders you to kiss them ?? Oh my God so many things were so so wrong. Good luck with your search for a counselor blue! Peace and love to you x
GM All,
My post are sometimes at the witching hour, since I have been an insomniac since my early days with monster. Insomnia…One of the gifts he gave me, that just keeps on giving , long past my time with him.LOL
It has been 4 months since I have seen his face. 2 Solid, NC, Now everytime I picture his face , I try to place him in his icy grave and see him lying motionless in it. I do not wish death for him…I am just making it clear to my spirit that “who” I thought I loved was not real and therefore is dead.
Dearest Louise;
I am happy to hear that you are feeling a little better. I too am moving towards acceptance…slow but sure. As I start to uncover all the damage done to me, I am grateful mine did not marry me…thx to God that it was 1.5 yrs of my like instead of 20+ like his poor ex-wife. I am at a place of seeing that the intense love I felt for him was not reciprocated….that my belief he loved me was an illusion, so powerful that even though all the parameters of a healthy relationship were missing between us, my response was to love with all my might. This relationship has left me a fragmented version of my former self…absolute proof that there was no love on his part and that I nned to learn how to base my choice to love a man on Who he is, How he treats me, and What my instincts are telling me about how the relationship effects my life. I have been at the business of working on childhood issues long enough to know that I did repeat abuse/abandonment drama…once again. May we both have a day of peaceful acceptance. I did do EFT to self last eve, will continue …b/c it can’t hurt : )
TeaLight;
I remember the last two times I saw monster, he was over the top with the affection in public. I too am very affectionate too, however, deep mouth kising and caressing in public felt too exposing too me. But he did this and I let him. Yep, I admit, I let him like all the other things he did that felt wrong to me instinctually. I remember at the time feeling so much warmth for him with the way he held me and was so passionate about it….I believe he did it now, already knowing he never intended to see me again. I beleive he enjoyed the confusion and despairing state that he left me in. He was already full blown with my replacement, which I found out several days later. Proof again that it was not real, no one with a conscience can do doubling with women the way he did.
He ordered me many times, to show him affection in situations and places that I see now were all about showing others how much control and domination he had over me…part of the humiliation process.
Peace and light to you both,
Bluemosaic
Tea Light:
Oh, how awful…I could just feel the despair in your post about the demands he put on you. The only thing any of us can do now is heal…that is all that is left…the hard work. Love you. x
bluemosaic:
Wow, you said something that EXACTLY happened to me. Kind of blew me away when I read it. The last time I was ever “together” intimately with Scousepath, I walked into his apartment and he immediately jumped up from the couch and said give me a hug. It was a long, very sweet, hug…not sexual at all. Little did I know that was the last time I was going to be with him…HE knew it, but I didn’t know it. It was his way of saying goodbye…he knew it was going to be the last time we were together. Sick, just sick.
EB:
Thanks for the laugh…cute! I needed that!
I am hanging in there. Still processing, but that is what happens when things are found out about them…I realize that is why No Contact is the absolute only way. I was doing so well at almost seven months (will be seven months in about 10 days) and then he got fired. That is such big news that I was going to hear it no matter. I wasn’t looking for it, but it was going to find me anyway. I even had a former coworker text me the other day with the news, but of course I already knew, so see…it was going to reach me somehow.
Hi Louise hows things, how are you feeling?
strongawoman:
I am feeling better. I am realizing I need to feel good about this. I was always so mad that he had it all while I gave up everything…well now, he has lost it all and I should feel good, but because I am not that type of person, it’s hard for me to celebrate his downfall. But I will be fine…I am working on it! Thanks for asking. Love to you.x