By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
geminigirl,
I liked what you said about guarding and protecting our hearts (especially from bad people).
Well, the ex spath hasn’t tried anything since I blocked his number a few days ago. Just in case, I took my trusty 22 out of the safe and put it on my night stand when I slept last night…you never know. I don’t know what is up. He bilked me out of thousands when living with me and at the same time setting up the other woman at her place. He seamlessly moved from me to her when I ran out of funds. He came around over the summer telling me it’s over with her and that he was looking for an apt but did not have enough $ saved up. Oh well! So, after that conversation, I decided I would not ever ever get back involved and stopped returning texts, etc. This week’s texts freaked me out. Sent from his phone telling me it’s his 14 year old son writing. The content was to the effect that he always found me attractive and wanted sex with me. What am I an idiot to respond to something like that?? Ox and I figure he was trying to entrap me into responding to get me on soliciting sex from a minor. His name is on my car loan as a co-signer and he wants off. I will keep my 22 next to my bed from now on.
Well that is one ex issue. Here’s the other. The next guy I met was Jan 09. I loved him. 9 months later, he texted a break up message. I was devastated. But he still kept coming round and hoped we could be “friends.” So I bought into it. He met a woman shortly after and started dating her and told me she was the one he wanted to marry. So, this “friends” thing really hurt. I don’t know why I still hang on. He’s in and out of my life here and there but never mentions the girlfriend. He picked up my motorcycle and I keep it at his parents office building and we plan to ride when the weather gets good. I don’t think he’s mentioned me to her either. I am so confused. I don’t know why I get involved with unavailable men and sociopaths. Low self esteem? Probably.
Iwonder – ouu sweetie, you look like ‘supply’ when i read your post; you are one of the women he keeps in the wings in case the main dupe chucks him.
you are confused because you haven’t accepted the truth about what is going on – or rather are actively trying not to accept the truth. THAT always leaves us in a mess.
Chuck him, chuck the bike and focus on yourself. Have you read The Betrayal Bond? No? Then do! It will help you sort out why you get involved with sociopaths and other rotten types.
Dear Iwonder,
I agree with One_stepper.
I know this will hurt, because I think you probably don’t want to know the answer, but ASK YOURSELF
“Why do I allow him to treat me this way, knowing he is just using me for _____?(fill in the blank, with whatever he is getting: money sex, etc.)
Darlin’ you are WORTH more than just to be someone’s BOOTY CALL. I hate that phrase but it really is so descriptive. Just a piece of meat to jack off in (pardon the crudity but what else can you say it is?)
My P son won’t eat bread made in the prison because the prisoners who work in the kitchen use it to _____well you know what I am saying….and that very crude mental picture is what they use us for as well. YOU ARE WORTH MUCH MORE THAN THAT!
Shabby-thanks so much. I did see your message from October right before I came back and I do appreciate it. I needed the step out really bad. I used a lot of the knowledge that I gained on here and used it to make a lot of progress. Now I can help others.
Iwonder-Oxy is right, you are SO much more than just a booty call. I know from experience firsthand. I was the other woman with my ex. He was the first and last unavailable person that I will let get near me. He told me-“my wife and I arent’ IN LOVE anymore and our relationship is platonic and all she does is spend my money and you are the ONE-the one who understands me and doesn’t want me for my money” etc, and blah blah blah.
Low self esteem has a lot to do with it. Mine is real low and I won’t look for a relationship until I fix that problem. That is the only reason I can think of that I would allow a man to leave me at night and go home to someone else. Break off the ties with him. The “friendship” will only continue to cause hurt and drama in your life and you are WAY TO GOOD FOR THAT!
Candy-good luck with your move too! You’re so lucky to have snow too -enjoy it. I live in the deep south so I never see it anymore! 🙂
hi oxy – was just thinking about the phrase, ‘ can’t see the forest for the trees’, and thought these would would work when speaking about spath landscapes: ‘can’t see the shiat for the pile’, and ‘ can’t see the turds for the shiatpile.’ Crude, but so appropriate.
loved your cat ballou reference. then i started to think about a movie with Claudia Cardinal and Bridgette Bardot in the 70’s ‘the legend of frenchie King’. then i went looking for pictures on the net of jane fonda in cat ballou and cc and bb, and then i got another computer virus…curiosity killed the cat, again! LOL.
Cat Ballou is one of my favorite movies, Paint Your Wagon is another! My husband (were were not married at the time) was the pilot for that movie and ferried all the stars back and forth on the set from LA, so got to know a lot of them. One of my friends back then played one of the whores! She worked on the film for months and I think she had like 10 seconds on camera left when they got done cutting the film, she mostly ended up on the “cutting room floor,” but she slept with every man in the production company and half the other actors! LOL Frankly I think that was the reason she was hired. Great film though!
Yes, I think we do “blind” ourselves to seeing things clearly by looking at the “forest” and not being able to see the “trees” or vice versa. Your new phrases do ring a bell! LOL