By Ox Drover
After reading Steve Becker’s article yesterday, I commented that most of the articles here on Lovefraud that could be entitled “1001 Things I Did Wrong in Dealing with a Psychopath” were the ones that applied most to my own dealings with them.
That was meant as a joke, but after I left that comment for Steve, I got to thinking about how right-on it was, joke or not, because I have done so much wrong in dealing with these people. I got my self deeper and deeper into trouble, doing the wrong things in interacting with them. Not that I was intentionally doing something mean or “wrong” per se, but I didn’t make choices that led to positive outcomes in dealing with the psychopaths in my life.
One of the reasons I did 1001 things wrong was that I didn’t know what I was dealing with. I thought I was dealing with people who had good intentions toward me, just as I had good intentions toward them. Boy, was that a wrong thing to assume. But because I assumed this error in fact about their intentions, I tried to “be reasonable” with them. That sure didn’t work. They broke their word to me time and time again. It took me a long time “to get it through my thick skull,” as MaryJo Buttafuoco said in her book, and then, when I did get it through my thick head that “Person A” couldn’t be trusted, I didn’t “generalize” that knowledge to other people who also broke their words to me over and over and over again.
Learning to generalize
Even animals can learn to generalize. A friend and I trained steer, getting them used to “something that rattled.” It didn’t matter what rattled; we would use plastic milk jugs with rocks in them, and tie those jugs to their tails so that every time they took a step, this “rattling monster” attached to them would make noise and follow them. For a little while they were scared and ran from it, but eventually they got the idea that the “rattling monster” wasn’t going to be outrun by them (it always kept up), and it wasn’t actually going to hurt them. Eventually they decided anything that rattled and made noise was harmless.
With one set of young steers my friend trained though, if you got them used to a white jug with rocks in it, and they weren’t afraid of it any more, if you used a yellow jug, they would go back to SQUARE ONE PANIC AGAIN, with each tiny change in the “monster.” They didn’t “generalize” very well and were always hyper-alert and on guard. He eventually got them so they were “dynamite proof,” so he could take them out in public without being afraid they would panic at the first sound they weren’t used to, or the first loud retort from a fire cracker, but he and I both thought for a long time they might not ever generalize enough to be safe from panicking and running away out in public.
Abusive behavior
I think in a way I also didn’t “generalize” the abusive behaviors of the various psychopaths I encountered. When a boss would be dishonest and verbally abusive to me, I was upset and “panicked” at the unexpected behavior, trying to figure out how to not get hurt, but when a relative would do this same kind of behavior I, again, panicked and didn’t realize that the “rattle” was just the same kind of “monster” that I had encountered with the other psychopath. Of course I didn’t realize then that the psychopathic “monsters” had a name or that their lack of empathy and their damage was definitely destructive, unlike a milk jug with a few rocks in it.
I not only tried to be “reasonable” with the psychopaths, but I also tried to placate them, to make them see, by being extra nice to them and not “bowing up and fighting back,” that I wasn’t trying to hurt them. I wanted to be “friends” and get along.
Of course, when a prey animal tries to get along with a predator animal we know what happens, don’t we? The prey animal gets the worst end of the deal. Yep, I did get the worst end of the deal trying to “make nice” with the psychopaths, but again, I didn’t learn that a psychopath is a psychopath is a psychopath is a predator! Rather than generalize this hurtful behavior to a class of people, I saw each one as an individual person with “reasons” and “excuses” and the “potential to change” and “see the light” when there was no chance that they were going to have any empathy, much less sympathy, for the pain they caused me or anyone else. They didn’t give a hoot how badly they hurt me as long as they got what they wanted.
Wanted to get along
I also didn’t really see what it was that they actually wanted. I didn’t want to cause anyone any pain, I wanted to love people and get along with them and share good things and help folks out. This is what I thought that everyone wanted. What they actually did want, however, was to control me, humiliate me, and to get me to provide them with their own twisted idea of a relationship—all take on their part and all give on mine.
Just like the hyper-alert steers, I didn’t feel comfortable, and was always jumpy, expecting something to hit me, but I wasn’t sure where it would come from, so each time a psychopath lied to me, stole from me, took advantage of me, I was totally surprised again and again.
Eventually that young pair of steers got to where they were not surprised by anything in the way of a loud noise and they calmed down and became a reliable pair of working steers (oxen). But it was only because they learned to move from the individual to the general concepts of what would or would not hurt them. They learned that a little yappy dog running at their feet was not a danger, but that a large aggressive dog was something that they should kick at or hook at with their horns. They learned that the sound of a fire cracker or a car back firing, or a cannon shooting at a historical reenactment, wasn’t going to hurt them and they didn’t need to pay it any attention. They learned to distinguish between harmless noises like people yelling or laughing and their drover saying “get up” and meaning it!
I’m not sure why these particular steers were so difficult to train. Perhaps it was because the breed was the wilder Spanish cattle from Mexico whose ancestors that had not jumped every time there was a noise in the brush had been taken out of the gene pool by the wolves, coyotes and mountain lions, so only the “jumpy” ones were left.
Changed my response
I’m also not sure why I didn’t generalize from the abusive behavior I endured over and over, or change the failed attempts to get it to stop by doing repeatedly something that had not worked. Someone once said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” I sure did enough of that for two lifetimes. Now I have changed the way I respond to abusive behavior. I am learning to distinguish the difference between “harmless rattles” and “real threats” from predators.
I have made some general “rules” to guide me in my differentiation of what is “harmless” and what is “threatening.” First off, it depends on how close to me the threat is. A rattle snake at 10 yards from me is no threat at all. I know he could hurt me if he was closer, but I will not let him get close enough to strike me, so I don’t have to fear him. If that same rattle snake is 3 feet from me, I take a different view of the potential for harm from the same snake, and react in a different way than I do to the one who is 30 feet away.
If a person who is not “close to me” lies to me, it probably isn’t going to be much of a danger to me, unless it is a big business deal. I don’t fear that lie from someone I don’t really have any connection with, I just notice (like with the rattle snake at a distance) that the person is dishonest, I don’t want him to get closer to me.
If a person who is “close to me” lies, that has a much bigger potential for harm to me, both emotionally and otherwise. Therefore I will move away from that dishonest person, put some distance between me and them so that if they do strike, they won’t be close enough to hit me or do any significant damage.
Threat or benign
Once I have determined that a person, animal, or object is a potential threat rather than a benign creature, I will keep a wary eye on it. I won’t make excuses for the potential damage, and once it has tried to hurt me, it won’t have another chance. I no longer trust anything or anyone without assessing the potential damage that could be done.
Cynical? No, I don’t think so, just cautious. I don’t venture into the world like there are no dangers out there, no evil people. I do know now that there are some evil creatures in the world, some potential threats to my life, sanity and health. But I no longer walk in terror, because I have realized what the evil creatures are. I am no longer terrified of the “rattling milk jugs,” but I give a wide berth to the “poison snakes.”
I’ve finally personally learned from the “1001e things I did wrong in dealing with psychopaths.”
oxy – about your friend – that’s a nauseating example of life imitating art.
Nolonger & Ox – Thanks. I’m not a booty call..there is no sex involved at all and we have defined the relationship as “friends.” But, it hurt when I went from “girlfriend” status to “friend” status. I need a good friend. Don’t have many around..my sisters live out of state and my parents lean on me so he’s there to lend a hand when I need one and an ear. One of my low self esteem problems was that when we were dating I lost my job and felt worthless. He dumped me as girlfriend soon after I lost the job and went hunting for a new girlfriend. It hurt but I told him I was so stressed out about no job that I didn’t think I could hold a relationship together. So..there you have it. 6 months later I took a short term contract job that was like $20K below my salary level. I was at the end of my rope…almost lost my place. 2 weeks before the contract was up I landed the job OF MY DREAMS! Close to home, great salary, 50 cents match on the 401K, medical benefits and business trips to Switzerland! So, I do feel much much better about myself. We had dinner last Sunday night. I brought him back chocolate from Switzerland and gloated and beamed and smiled from ear to ear. I don’t know what is going on with him and the woman he was dating. He didn’t mention anything and I did not ask…I just figured he’d tell me if he wanted to and also he’d let me know if he wanted more than “friends.” Before I ever think of changing back to “girlfriend” I would have to date him for months to see where his head is at. I don’t feel like I was a victim in that relationship; it was crappy timing. I am also open to meeting someone new if that happens too. My life changed 360 degrees in the past year. I’m happpy with me.
Once during the summer he did offer a “booty call” but I told him I’m not a booty call. Told him “I got through the past hurts, centered myself and now am open and available to be with someone..you’re not.”
He also wanted to pick me up to go to the motorcycle dealer and I told him it would be ok as long as you told your girlfriend and that you tell her we are just friends. He said “you can go by yourself then.”
A few weeks later texted that I really need help with picking it out so I will meet you there. And that worked out. It was a good boundry.
iwonder – he still got around having to tell his girlfriend and be honest. and that is what the boundary should be about – no one lying to you and using you.
i am having a very strong response to your above two posts. I know you probably don’t see how bad your boundaries are with this guy. they are really bad. you are like a dog being kicked – as long as he only bruises your ears, and doesn’t kick you hard in the ribs, you are good.
i am sorry if you find my words objectionable or harsh, but i am quite alarmed for you, and have no softer words.
we should never accept lies; dishonesty; gaslighting; physical, sexual, emotional or intellectual abuse; being used as supply of any kind.
i am so glad you are happy with your work and that you are financially stable. TOWANDA! it makes everything else so much easier.
You either don’t know what you are dealing with (which I doubt – you ARE here.); or you just don’t want to accept it yet. Setting a boundary of what he would have to do before you went back to him (and just how long would he have to prove that he is still a loser?) is not a boundary at this point, it is capitulation.
again, if i upset you or anger you, it is not my motivation. and i am completely okay if you get upset with me. my deep motivation is to help you to see how closed your eyes are.
One step – I know you’re right. Why am I thinking he’s a good guy? He lives at home with his parents although he makes tons of money…and he truly believes he is from another planet.
well, i wonder, he kind of is.
have you read The Betrayal Bond?
One step – Good one! He’s like a 12 year old child in a 40 year old body. Sleeps with a teddy bear.
Im kinda sorry for the Teddy bear!
Love,
Gem.
LOL ROTFLMAO Guys, I love this dialog between you all. WONDERFUL!!! And Iwonder, I think One is right on this, you need “friends” like this WHY?
I had a “friend” from college that I had reconnected with, never been a girl friend even back then, just friends and hang out buddies, but reconnected a few years ago and started hanging out again, made sure he knew it was FRIENDS only and no romance or “benefits” etc. Then he started to show some “greed” in the relationship,, just minor carp! But then he “screwed” me over and broke a small agreement we had—only $56—no big deal, but I decided right then and there to confront him about breaking the agreement and he got hateful, defensive and started name calling and sheet, so I threw him out of my house on the spot, haven’t spoken to him since—nothing lost really! I don’t need people who act like that.
Iwonder, I think he is keeping you for “back up” insurance in case his current booty goes south! You’re better than that! He isn’t a friend, he is just an opportunist! Friends are HONEST with everyone, and dishonest people can’t be MY friends!
OX – Glad you got a chuckle. Don’t worry, I’m not going to be a “backup.” He helped me pick out my 22 friend and also recommends I upgrade to a .380. Whenever we feel like getting a firearm, we sign eachother’s papers. It’s kinda like our secret. We don’t want many people to know we have them. We live in the burbs in nice neighborhoods. He’s an attorney and I am an executive. Looking at us, you would never think we exercise our constitutional right to bear arms. LOL. I always tell him I got your back. He tells me the same. I’m good with friends. He’s like a brother to me now. LOL