Last Friday Robin Hoffman interviewed me again on her radio show, The Feminine Soul. We discussed recovering from a relationship with a sociopath. She asked two very important questions, “How do we avoid picking another sociopath in the future?” and “How can we ever trust our instincts again?”
Coincidentally, yesterday I received this letter from a reader:
I got involved recently with a man who seemed to be the opposite of my previous psychopath. All the traits I like, strong, dominant, etc but seemed to have a good heart, and importantly a good history. I checked him out, he had a long service in the police force and a voluntary youth organization, was widely respected and successful.
Recognizing my vulnerability, I kept my eyes and ears open, and my heart guarded.
After 3 weeks I started to spot inconsistencies, tested a bit, and noticed the feeling of cognitive dissonance and didn’t ignore it.
After 6 weeks I ended the relationship, even though part of me was screaming inside “no, don’t do it”. Only afterwards did I discover that not only was he cheating on a wife who had cancer, but he was also cheating on a long term girlfriend, who genuinely loved him and is devastated. He was playing with fire by putting us both on the same webpage and we got chatting without having any idea of the relationships involved and it all came out. I’ve given her a link to saferelationships.com and can only hope she learns from the experience.
I SO proud of myself. I got out before getting involved, so it didn’t hurt. The experience was positive in that I made a different choice, for me. My stop light is starting to work and I’m learning I can trust my instincts again.
There are three parts of ourselves that are “taken” by the sociopath. The first part is the conscious mind. The sociopath fools the conscious mind by lies. It can be very difficult to detect these lies because skilled sociopaths use willing and unknowing accomplices to back up their lies. (This is why it is important for family members to distance themselves from the sociopath and his/her relationships.)
Sociopaths know to pick on trusting people. In general trusting people are loyal and trustworthy. These are good qualities so when your conscious mind is taken, you can be left with a lot of self-doubts. The strategy of carefully checking out people’s claims is a good one but it often takes time to uncover a sociopath’s lies.
Our unconscious minds also get “taken” in the sociopath’s con. Sociopaths are dominant and seductive. These traits may be arousing and attractive. I think that this may be in born. We may be attracted to these traits instinctively just like certain body parts are arousing for some.
Even though the attraction to the dominance and seductiveness of sociopaths may be instinctual, I don’t think we are stuck with it. I was able to train myself to be different and I want to share with you how I did it.
I am somewhat ashamed to say it took me too long to understand that I was drawn to sociopaths because of their dominance behavior. Once I understood this, I set out to find a way to feel differently about them. I wanted to like them less. I had always observed that there were some mental health professionals who were instinctively repulsed by sociopaths and I wanted to know what was different about them.
In studying the literature on dominance behavior and personality I discovered that dominance and empathy are opposed to each other. When dominance motives are in play empathy is turned off. The hormones of dominance also turn off empathy. The opposite is also true empathy and affection also suppress dominance motives.
Armed with this knowledge I set out to study men I knew who had long track records of loving empathetic behavior. I spent hours talking with them about their views of love, life and life’s purpose. I did this until the lesson had sunk in emotionally not just intellectually. A fully human person, male or female is loving and devoted. He or she is able to control dominance motives and express them only when appropriate.
Since this emotional lesson sunk in, I have found myself actually repulsed by dominant people. I no longer admire them or find them entertaining. Instead, I emotionally experience them as they are, shallow and lacking in important qualities.
Sociopaths also “take us” on another level. They manipulate us into forming bonds with them. These bonds are unconscious and chemical- whether the sociopath is a family member or lover. Breaking a bond with a sociopath is very painful. We do not have to be enslaved by our human bonds, we can acknowledge them and realize that at times these bonds have to be broken even though doing so is painful and difficult.
To sum it up then your new wiser mindset may have many aspects to it. Wisdom is a practice as well as a state of mind.
Dear Gemini,
I am often by myself on the holidays. I would be delighted to have you over any time with a little notice. That goes for anyone here. It is very peaceful here. You and I share the same love of music, though our tastes are a little different. I used to be the lead singer in a rock band when I was 41 and still sing/player guitar frequently, though I’m really pretty mediocre. Music has always been a very important part of my life and saved me from a horrible childhood.
OxD,
I admire what you are doing and feel it is divinely inspired. I also have dreamed of working with disadvantaged/underprivileged kids, inner city kids, kids from abusive families, etc. In Buddhism, it is said that a person like you is “big dharma”. Dharma translates directly into “truth”. But really it means that you are someone who can make a big difference. May you be blessed in this work you are doing. I am very interested in belonging to an organization like this one day.
About the desire to have closure: (This is for everyone)
Do you all know what a zen koan is? It is sort of an unsolvable riddle, such as “what is the sound of one hand clapping.” In Zen Buddhism, a teacher will give you a koan as a way of exhausting your rational mind. When your rational mind is exhausted, you shift into a different mind set, which is much more open and present. Like a Zen koan, a sociopath is unsolvable. You cannot get any kind of answer from them, either by talking to them or thinking about them. But what will happen eventually is that you will become exhausted from the thoughts. At that point you will give up and detach a little. You will never have the closure you desire, as henry says. But eventually, they take up less and less of your thought process.
Peace out,
StarG
Towanda, henry! Sounds like you are are arriving at some forgiveness for him and especially for yourself. You are realizing why you stayed with him so long, and that will help you avoid another relationship like that. What an inspiration!
Hugs,
StarG
Star,
I like rock!!! And it’s cool that you sing and play and instrument. I don’t play anything, LOVE to sing. My I-pod currently holds everything from Traditional Jazz (I’m a HUGE Miles Davis and John Coltrane fan), to rock, to 70s funk, 80s new wave, 90s teeny bopper and hip-hop, classical and opera. I listen to a little bit of everything.
: )
Star, Are you a Buddhist? There is a huge community in my hometown – then again we’re pretty small – but anyway, I like what you say about the Ze koan. You and henry and everyone are right. I will not get closure – not even if I had the opportunity to scream and yell at him cause he’ll just repeat repeat repeat. This is why I often have to put my girl ROCK on and sing/scream at the top of my lungs.
Dear brother Henry,
I am so glad for your light bulb moment! Yes, sugar, you are so right on! I am dancing on the ceiling for you Henry.
In fact I am just dancing on the ceiling because I feel like it, I feel wonderful! The weather was wonderful and son D and I went to run errands and spent most of the day driving from here to there “in God’s country”–sun shining, light breeze, crisp but not cold, a few leaves starting to turn! Perfect!
I’ve also noticed something else wonderful. Though I still have a bad case of CRS I am beginning to THINK CREATIVELY again. Ideas just pops into my head about how to do something in an easier way, quicker way, cheaper way, just like I used to be. For so long now I have struggled to do things and I just realized today that I’m getting creative again! I thought of a little change in the way we were building something that will allow us to finish it in 2 hours instead of 20, and thought of an innovative way to help the heat containing capacity of my attic. With the price of fuel going up, I’m trying to insulate better and make sure there are no air leaks. So my “thinker” is working a lot better lately.
Henry, when we get out of the pain, when the stress decreases we DO start to heal, and even get BETTER than before! Because we not only are healing over the P, but the things from before that made us vulnerable to them in the first place. TOWANDA brother!
Gemini,
Everyone else has already heard this, but when I was at rock bottom over the S, I went to see a lady guru who was passing through town from India. She gave me a blessing, and I cried uncontrollably for a long time. She said she would help me with my pain. So every night, when I lay down on my pillow, I simply asked her to remove the pain. I would just trust that she would. And I cannot tell you how much it worked, and how much peace this brought me. I think for those who believe in a higher power, it can bring great relief to just ask the higher power to remove all of the pain, negativity, energetic patterning (however you see it) that is hurting you. You will begin to release some of these things. I do believe we need help from a source greater than ourselves. If you don’t believe in a higher power, you can just say, “God, if you exist, please remove my pain.” It will happen anyway, whether you believe or not. 🙂 I am amazed at our abilities to find healing just for the asking. Help is there JUST FOR THE ASKING.
To answer your question, I have done much Buddhist meditation, and find the teachings are very dear to my heart. I am Jewish by birth but grew up in a family with no sense of any spirituality. I discovered Buddhism when I was in my 20’s and it helped me with a lot of healing and probably saved my life. I am not big on labels that end with “ist”, so I don’t call myself a Buddhist.
For All , I like that !
Closure ? To Close for sure that chapter in our lives ?
I Can’t Forget !
I can Forgive ! but not forget I did’nt even Like NC till I read more here ! Now I see , What I wanted from IT , IT did’nt have to give . So IT recognized MY Streangth is Love Which IT Covets but cannot attain , so the Angryer It Became ! Kewl huh???
Love Jere
Jere You are Kewl~~~! Yes they yearn to be loved -but they cannot love
To All
One thing I am having to deal with that is so frustrating is my family! My mother who I am closest with does’nt want to talk about IT . Like she wants to edit communication? F*** That ! My Father who I really have no relationship with would albiet rather see me twice a year! Thats fine I quit trying to live up to their expectations long ago! but I only came to my sences within this last week. Oh Just move on! Yeah well I have learned from You that I am the Lucky victim. It was dumb not a smart one it had only a GED It’s parent had It’s own issues and was done with It ! Lucky for me to show up on time huh?:) I am 18 yrs older than It. It got me with It’s Youth and Beauty not it’s wit. follow? It is still my Fault I see now all those warnings from It and from those people around me that where my real Friends but I was like under a spell! Like I hear others still under it’s spell
Many Preists and healers Had tried to cast the deman out of this man , They where curious why they could’nt help him? Jesus went to the man , And said who are you?
It answered we are Legions ,It knew who Jesus was ! Jesus told them to leave this man , Legions said but where will we go? So Jesus cast Legions into a herd of swine and they ran off a cliff to their Deaths.
Love Jere
Star
I love it ! try this one;
Becareful what you ask for because You get it !
My Bible says; ask and you shall Recieve , knock and the door will be opened unto you!
My prayers where not heard for It Because I wanted IT when I gave It to God to fix my eyes where opened!
**** oh no I post before I realize what ive writen 🙂
Love J E R E
I wonder if they ever do realize, even just momentarily, what and who they are. One evening, just days after taking me out for my birthday (that he BEGGED to take me out) HE was being so nasty to me over the phone, as usual, saying he: ‘didn’t want me,’ and I should get the hint that “Maybe he’s just not that into you,” and I kept crying and asking why he was being sooo mean. Within the same conversation, he suddenly flipped a swith and said, “do you want to come over?” Well, I had a little strength and said ‘no.’ After hanging up, he texted me saying (I kept the message):
“I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I just got addicted to your love for me. I wish I could return it but I can’t. And then when I know your love is gone, I miss that love and want it back. I feel that its something I should cherish. But If I can’t return it, then its not fair and the power isn’t balanced. I’m sorry I’m going to have to face this and risk losing a beautiful thing. I wish it wasn’t this way. I always struggle, but I can’t this time for your sake and your sanity. Bye Sweety.”
So, that seemed to show he understood how it was between us. But did he really? How could someone write those things and NOT mean them, since it all made so much sense? That type of thing(s) he said was always what made me go back, or wonder. But closure? No way. It just made me question more why he didn’t try harder to fix himself and our relationship. Why isn’t he trying now, if he is losing something “SO BEAUTIFUL?” I’ll never know what was real and what wasn’t. Closure will never ever be possible, and that is why we have to just stop. But of course, my mind just keeps going. One bittersweet value I have to “NEVER GIVE UP ON LOVE.” I wonder if it is becuase I never accepted my parents’ divorce when I was 2, and so I vowed subconsiously to never end up like them-so I love permanently and unconditionally. Wow, has that bitten me in the A** a few times!
Star, I love the explanation about the Zen Koan. You are right, eventually, we just get exhausted about thinking of them.
Let’s see, day 21 I think if NC.