Last Friday Robin Hoffman interviewed me again on her radio show, The Feminine Soul. We discussed recovering from a relationship with a sociopath. She asked two very important questions, “How do we avoid picking another sociopath in the future?” and “How can we ever trust our instincts again?”
Coincidentally, yesterday I received this letter from a reader:
I got involved recently with a man who seemed to be the opposite of my previous psychopath. All the traits I like, strong, dominant, etc but seemed to have a good heart, and importantly a good history. I checked him out, he had a long service in the police force and a voluntary youth organization, was widely respected and successful.
Recognizing my vulnerability, I kept my eyes and ears open, and my heart guarded.
After 3 weeks I started to spot inconsistencies, tested a bit, and noticed the feeling of cognitive dissonance and didn’t ignore it.
After 6 weeks I ended the relationship, even though part of me was screaming inside “no, don’t do it”. Only afterwards did I discover that not only was he cheating on a wife who had cancer, but he was also cheating on a long term girlfriend, who genuinely loved him and is devastated. He was playing with fire by putting us both on the same webpage and we got chatting without having any idea of the relationships involved and it all came out. I’ve given her a link to saferelationships.com and can only hope she learns from the experience.
I SO proud of myself. I got out before getting involved, so it didn’t hurt. The experience was positive in that I made a different choice, for me. My stop light is starting to work and I’m learning I can trust my instincts again.
There are three parts of ourselves that are “taken” by the sociopath. The first part is the conscious mind. The sociopath fools the conscious mind by lies. It can be very difficult to detect these lies because skilled sociopaths use willing and unknowing accomplices to back up their lies. (This is why it is important for family members to distance themselves from the sociopath and his/her relationships.)
Sociopaths know to pick on trusting people. In general trusting people are loyal and trustworthy. These are good qualities so when your conscious mind is taken, you can be left with a lot of self-doubts. The strategy of carefully checking out people’s claims is a good one but it often takes time to uncover a sociopath’s lies.
Our unconscious minds also get “taken” in the sociopath’s con. Sociopaths are dominant and seductive. These traits may be arousing and attractive. I think that this may be in born. We may be attracted to these traits instinctively just like certain body parts are arousing for some.
Even though the attraction to the dominance and seductiveness of sociopaths may be instinctual, I don’t think we are stuck with it. I was able to train myself to be different and I want to share with you how I did it.
I am somewhat ashamed to say it took me too long to understand that I was drawn to sociopaths because of their dominance behavior. Once I understood this, I set out to find a way to feel differently about them. I wanted to like them less. I had always observed that there were some mental health professionals who were instinctively repulsed by sociopaths and I wanted to know what was different about them.
In studying the literature on dominance behavior and personality I discovered that dominance and empathy are opposed to each other. When dominance motives are in play empathy is turned off. The hormones of dominance also turn off empathy. The opposite is also true empathy and affection also suppress dominance motives.
Armed with this knowledge I set out to study men I knew who had long track records of loving empathetic behavior. I spent hours talking with them about their views of love, life and life’s purpose. I did this until the lesson had sunk in emotionally not just intellectually. A fully human person, male or female is loving and devoted. He or she is able to control dominance motives and express them only when appropriate.
Since this emotional lesson sunk in, I have found myself actually repulsed by dominant people. I no longer admire them or find them entertaining. Instead, I emotionally experience them as they are, shallow and lacking in important qualities.
Sociopaths also “take us” on another level. They manipulate us into forming bonds with them. These bonds are unconscious and chemical- whether the sociopath is a family member or lover. Breaking a bond with a sociopath is very painful. We do not have to be enslaved by our human bonds, we can acknowledge them and realize that at times these bonds have to be broken even though doing so is painful and difficult.
To sum it up then your new wiser mindset may have many aspects to it. Wisdom is a practice as well as a state of mind.
Letgo: Think about what you just said. He told you “I wish I could return the love but I can’t”. He told you outright that he couldn’t love you. I think that’s probably one of the few truths he told. When a man says he is incapable of a relationship, I always listen to this. He is usually speaking the truth. You were fooled by his comments about you having something beautiful. You were hoping your love would save him from his inability to love. BUT IT CAN’T! Does it matter if he realized it or not? He was playing on your sympathy and pity. But I think they know they cannot love people. They know they are not like others. He was toying with you. Personally, if a guy said this to me (I can’t love you), it would be a GIANT red flag. He gave you so little, and you hoped deep down there was some real love in there. I thought that about my ex too. In the end, it doesn’t matter whether there is or isn’t. I just looked at his behaviors. NOT ACCEPTABLE! I broke contact with him before I even knew what a sociopath was or that he was one.
Indigo, you expressed it beautiful: ask and ye shall receive. I believe this is really true. Sometimes we don’t know what to ask for, don’t dare to ask, or don’t feel like we deserve. We do! And BTW, I love the way you call your ex and “it”. I think that’s a great way to remind ourselves that they are not really quite human.
Hugs,
StarG
I am thinking about something OxD said. She said the amount of time it takes to heal depends on how much you invested in the relationship. For me, it was a lot. I was very much in love. There are actually two processes going on with all of us. One is getting the S out of our system. It takes a while. After that, we are left with all these things inside us that need to heal and change. But over time, you will take back the pieces of yourself that you invested into the relationship. You just pull them back through detachment. You are learning to set a boundary. After a while you are able to recognize your own issues and that they have nothing to do with the S. It takes time, and there are setbacks. But remember, we’re all on a path. There is something greater than us (I believe) guiding us to wholeness. If we can remember to tap into that force, we can receive the help we need.
The cornerstone to this is NC! If you are still in touch with the S’s friends, if you are still talking to the S, you will go backwards in your recovery. At all costs, stay away from the S.
I would like to add a comment. My X one time told me “I am not good with emotional stuff” they know they don’t feel thing’s like everyone else so they pretend and say what they think we want to hear. Letgo if we had it all to do over knowing what we know now we would not have done it. This IS a life lesson. Hard as it hurt’s we can not fail this lesson. I am at 7 month’s NC. I think I am finally getting it. They are different – like machine’s – and with each new victim they change into what that victim want’s. Yes they lie, cheat, manipulate, control and drive us crazy. But when I realized they can’t feel life or joy or happiness or any emotion, they have to fake it. What they do is ruthless and criminal – but as I look back on the relationship and fill in all the blank’s it all make’s sense – they are a sub human noid’s – just going through life on survival mode. Letgo they will never think they were wrong – they were just living life as alway’s, with out real emotion – just faking it – and enjoying the power they had over us. Power to deceive gives them a high the closest thing to emotion they will ever have. I will always be pissed at him for what he did but I think of how fragile his life is – it hangs on the balance of life or death – no inbetween – they survive – and never know love – they are unloveable – we all tried to love them – but we know what love is – we dont have to fake it. they are sad evil creatures that prey on people like us. We have to let go there is nothing there to hang on too – just pain and more pain. I am not hurting anymore because of him. I am glad he is gone and I will try too remember the good things and good times. And promise my self that I will never do this again because I have learned about evil sub humanoids,,,
I am Legions , many , lost spirts ,
We don’t say posesed anymore we try to analize , chemicaly unbalanced , Genes , Nurture/nature, we make excuses for it , we play into it’s game . The game is death!
To know your enemy is to have power over it!
Henery tell me Why they have this spell on us that we are literally BLIND!!!!!! to see what everyone around us sees?
Love Group Hug Kiss for Hennry
Jere
Thank You Star Biggggggg Gigantic Warm Long Hug and a Kiss
It has this spell over us that to me now is a flag/lovefraud , I thought I was in love with It! but I was caught in it’s spell! There can be no other explination for us putting up with so much bull and abuse.think about itdo you let just anybody come up and talk to you that way??????????????????????????????? nope! SEE ?
love jere
Wow i think you hit the nail on the head Dr. L
Indigoblue I suggest you buy the book ” Meaning from Madness” by Richard Skerrit it saved my life – you will have to order it online. About the spell they have on us? Please go to PSYCHOPATH@groups.msn.com and read Between Devalue and Discard that helps to understand the spell they have on us…”We cease loving ourselves if no one loves us” indigoblue read read read and learn and change your phone number….
Thanks Henry
Henry If your still reading do you think I am still at risk from It???
yes yes yes yes