Last Friday Robin Hoffman interviewed me again on her radio show, The Feminine Soul. We discussed recovering from a relationship with a sociopath. She asked two very important questions, “How do we avoid picking another sociopath in the future?” and “How can we ever trust our instincts again?”
Coincidentally, yesterday I received this letter from a reader:
I got involved recently with a man who seemed to be the opposite of my previous psychopath. All the traits I like, strong, dominant, etc but seemed to have a good heart, and importantly a good history. I checked him out, he had a long service in the police force and a voluntary youth organization, was widely respected and successful.
Recognizing my vulnerability, I kept my eyes and ears open, and my heart guarded.
After 3 weeks I started to spot inconsistencies, tested a bit, and noticed the feeling of cognitive dissonance and didn’t ignore it.
After 6 weeks I ended the relationship, even though part of me was screaming inside “no, don’t do it”. Only afterwards did I discover that not only was he cheating on a wife who had cancer, but he was also cheating on a long term girlfriend, who genuinely loved him and is devastated. He was playing with fire by putting us both on the same webpage and we got chatting without having any idea of the relationships involved and it all came out. I’ve given her a link to saferelationships.com and can only hope she learns from the experience.
I SO proud of myself. I got out before getting involved, so it didn’t hurt. The experience was positive in that I made a different choice, for me. My stop light is starting to work and I’m learning I can trust my instincts again.
There are three parts of ourselves that are “taken” by the sociopath. The first part is the conscious mind. The sociopath fools the conscious mind by lies. It can be very difficult to detect these lies because skilled sociopaths use willing and unknowing accomplices to back up their lies. (This is why it is important for family members to distance themselves from the sociopath and his/her relationships.)
Sociopaths know to pick on trusting people. In general trusting people are loyal and trustworthy. These are good qualities so when your conscious mind is taken, you can be left with a lot of self-doubts. The strategy of carefully checking out people’s claims is a good one but it often takes time to uncover a sociopath’s lies.
Our unconscious minds also get “taken” in the sociopath’s con. Sociopaths are dominant and seductive. These traits may be arousing and attractive. I think that this may be in born. We may be attracted to these traits instinctively just like certain body parts are arousing for some.
Even though the attraction to the dominance and seductiveness of sociopaths may be instinctual, I don’t think we are stuck with it. I was able to train myself to be different and I want to share with you how I did it.
I am somewhat ashamed to say it took me too long to understand that I was drawn to sociopaths because of their dominance behavior. Once I understood this, I set out to find a way to feel differently about them. I wanted to like them less. I had always observed that there were some mental health professionals who were instinctively repulsed by sociopaths and I wanted to know what was different about them.
In studying the literature on dominance behavior and personality I discovered that dominance and empathy are opposed to each other. When dominance motives are in play empathy is turned off. The hormones of dominance also turn off empathy. The opposite is also true empathy and affection also suppress dominance motives.
Armed with this knowledge I set out to study men I knew who had long track records of loving empathetic behavior. I spent hours talking with them about their views of love, life and life’s purpose. I did this until the lesson had sunk in emotionally not just intellectually. A fully human person, male or female is loving and devoted. He or she is able to control dominance motives and express them only when appropriate.
Since this emotional lesson sunk in, I have found myself actually repulsed by dominant people. I no longer admire them or find them entertaining. Instead, I emotionally experience them as they are, shallow and lacking in important qualities.
Sociopaths also “take us” on another level. They manipulate us into forming bonds with them. These bonds are unconscious and chemical- whether the sociopath is a family member or lover. Breaking a bond with a sociopath is very painful. We do not have to be enslaved by our human bonds, we can acknowledge them and realize that at times these bonds have to be broken even though doing so is painful and difficult.
To sum it up then your new wiser mindset may have many aspects to it. Wisdom is a practice as well as a state of mind.
well, it’s not about anything he said. it’s about what the ”mirror” part of all of this is. i understand he didn’t do any work on himself (the LEAST introspective person i’ve ever met). but when or what does their ”mirror” do that makes them move away and find another ”mirror”? that’s my confusion.
thanks.
Lostingrief: My experience with “them” is they have a very low tolerance level for any kind of frustration. Their own frustrations make them move on … you don’t have to do anything to them for them to move on … they are like tumble weeks … blowing down the road in life … always searching for someone or something to heal them … instead of realizing it’s inside themselves all the time … they don’t want or know how to slow down and focus on themselves … hence, why I think they insult people all the time and look down their noses at others … that too is a defense mechanism they built up inside of them … hey, it’s you, not me theory … and poof, they are down the road.
If I paid attention to half the insults that were hurled my way, I’d be bogged down in misery just trying to decipher it.
Anytime an insult is hurled your way … that person wants to win at any cost … and what easier way to win, then to dump some stupid insult into your lap so you spend precious time trying to figure it out … it’s a smokescreen tactic for the person to win and take you off your guard.
Peace.
well I got a compliment when the sociopath visited us this last weekend. He said “Your butt looks smaller then it did before” lol I think mine is an idiot. I was pregnant before!!! Reminds me of the time he looked at me when I was 6 months pregnant after 2 years together and said “you aren’t my type”.
I think where I am now is that the man is crazy and really has a block on anything beyond the moment. Like OHHHH, you mean your pregnant and you get big. And then when you have the baby you get small again!!!Wow, what insight.
You mean when your pregnant you might not be my type, but your body will change back to the person who was my type. I just don’t think I can wait around for all that.
Why didn’t I see before that he was a retard?
Lost in grief regarding the mirror-they see in you something they like. Usually something they lack, like the ability to love. They mirror you to get it. They become you because they want what you have. You fall in love because they are giving you exactly what you want as a mirror. You say you want to get married, they say yes we shall marry etc etc. But then, time goes on. They slowly rip you apart with insults (aka devalue). This devaluation in their mind proves to them that you do not have what they want. They prove it to themselves because you did not give them what they were after, in this case the ability to love. They move on to someone else who they see may have what they can acquire. The process is such.
Idealize, Devalue, Discard.
Idealize = mirror
devalue = insults
Discard = move on to the next ideal
Bird, your ex sounds like he could win the 2008 Darwin award!
I think I experienced what you say about the mirroring. When I was first dating the S, he paid me two compliments that I thought were very odd. The first day he met me he told me I was very much “who I am” and very “genuine”. I actually asked him, “So you usually hang out with phonies?” It never occurred to me that he WAS the phony!!!
A few weeks later he came with me while I was doing interior painting in a friend’s house. The friend was paying me very well by the hour to paint for him. The friend went out to the store, and while I stayed and worked. The S thought it was so great that I kept working even while my friend was away.” I said to him, “He’s paying me by the hour! What else would I do?” And he said, “A lot of people would slack off.” Naturally, he was talking about himself.
So my authenticity and good work ethic were the two things he most admired about me. Coincidentally, these are the two areas in which he is most lacking.
Bird,
VERY WELL SAID!!! I am so proud of you, my dear! You have come so far in such a short time. I wish I could reach out and give you and Birdie a big real hug, but a cyber hug is all I can do but you know it comes from the bottom of my heart!! ((((hugs))))
Bird
Thank you!
to covet;
to want what we have
unattainable for it
result = evil the pure unadulterated pleasure in serveing up miserey, pain , and chaos to simply observe it to watch us squrimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm to watch us cry
like data on star Trek he wants to be human but cannot!
I cannot and will not ever for a second ever be decievied again !*
there is a artical here that says it is Impossible to have pity and at the same time be aware of deception
I say humbug Try Me !
I use to say I had this great big SUCKER tatooed to my forhead that only the beggers could see like a becon or a police blue light flashing in the dark !
I know now that it is my LOve that is the becon to all the world and all the world can see it except me !
I give to you all my friends a wisdom that is not my own !
We are at risk who ever we may be ! there is no safe place do not think that because you have beaton this one that there arenot ten in the background waiting patiently for It’s opprotunity to merly approche us and give us a compliment or a smile and then set the hook!
tell all who will listen!
Our Country is showing signs of it ! a corp. an entity without concience without fairness without feeling that can take a home out from under the poor without blinking an eye. that can dislodge a Family with little ones and put them in the street!
we are taught to live with in our means to have disipline to do without
But does our govt. do this do we do this Do we demand this of our Govt or our leader that we elect?
This is not just a personal phenomnon or event or chapter in our lives but a global event worth note and examination and analizing. Dont think we can sit back and savior or personal reward of wisdom!
Speak out
Write It
Blog it
What ever you have to do Email it to every contact be it real or imagined !
James You said this allready ! Thank you !
It is not what you Know or have learned but what you CHOOSE TO DO with it ! *
ie Donna ie KIKI aniston and many more I have yet to discover and read !
With all due respect and humble acknowledgement that this is not the wisdom of this world
I got this from
“I Am”
LOve Jere
Indigoblue: So true, love is what it’s all about. Those that know/have/understand it … and those that have no clue that they too can have it… then again, it’s perception in life … free will … DO YOU WANT TO LOVE, or DO YOU NOT WANT TO LOVE.
Peace.
OxD
I have trouble with the Choice Question
It would be like asking me if I had a choice to be gay or not what would I choose now here right now this day?
If you or someone would ask me that question I think I would respond
I like who I am now and all that has made me who I am I see has made me a wiser more intelegent person as a whole !
I do see regretts but I also see results of that time when I was impaient and did’nt want to take the time or energy to self analize what was really happenning.
I like me Now ! LOVE jere
Lostingrief I want to try to help you with the term Mirror – this is my understanding of it anyway. These people are empty shells – they dont feel emotion – they dont feel life – so they mimic us – copy us – Before I let my X move in I remember thinking how empty and boring he was. He had no personality. But the more he came around me the more he started likeing what I like. He listened to me and figured out that I wanted this or that or I liked this and didnt like that. And he did what I did (play with the dogs) (listened to the music I liked) (watched the TV programs I liked). They are empty,they have no sense of self so they borrow our’s. In doing so, they become less enchanted with the image. We are now tainted with the horror they avoid. They see the phantom, distorted image of their own inner world. This they cannot bear. We have lost our luster in binding to this partner. He/she must find a new specimen. They need fresh humanity that does not bear the mark of their own tortured soul.