Last Friday Robin Hoffman interviewed me again on her radio show, The Feminine Soul. We discussed recovering from a relationship with a sociopath. She asked two very important questions, “How do we avoid picking another sociopath in the future?” and “How can we ever trust our instincts again?”
Coincidentally, yesterday I received this letter from a reader:
I got involved recently with a man who seemed to be the opposite of my previous psychopath. All the traits I like, strong, dominant, etc but seemed to have a good heart, and importantly a good history. I checked him out, he had a long service in the police force and a voluntary youth organization, was widely respected and successful.
Recognizing my vulnerability, I kept my eyes and ears open, and my heart guarded.
After 3 weeks I started to spot inconsistencies, tested a bit, and noticed the feeling of cognitive dissonance and didn’t ignore it.
After 6 weeks I ended the relationship, even though part of me was screaming inside “no, don’t do it”. Only afterwards did I discover that not only was he cheating on a wife who had cancer, but he was also cheating on a long term girlfriend, who genuinely loved him and is devastated. He was playing with fire by putting us both on the same webpage and we got chatting without having any idea of the relationships involved and it all came out. I’ve given her a link to saferelationships.com and can only hope she learns from the experience.
I SO proud of myself. I got out before getting involved, so it didn’t hurt. The experience was positive in that I made a different choice, for me. My stop light is starting to work and I’m learning I can trust my instincts again.
There are three parts of ourselves that are “taken” by the sociopath. The first part is the conscious mind. The sociopath fools the conscious mind by lies. It can be very difficult to detect these lies because skilled sociopaths use willing and unknowing accomplices to back up their lies. (This is why it is important for family members to distance themselves from the sociopath and his/her relationships.)
Sociopaths know to pick on trusting people. In general trusting people are loyal and trustworthy. These are good qualities so when your conscious mind is taken, you can be left with a lot of self-doubts. The strategy of carefully checking out people’s claims is a good one but it often takes time to uncover a sociopath’s lies.
Our unconscious minds also get “taken” in the sociopath’s con. Sociopaths are dominant and seductive. These traits may be arousing and attractive. I think that this may be in born. We may be attracted to these traits instinctively just like certain body parts are arousing for some.
Even though the attraction to the dominance and seductiveness of sociopaths may be instinctual, I don’t think we are stuck with it. I was able to train myself to be different and I want to share with you how I did it.
I am somewhat ashamed to say it took me too long to understand that I was drawn to sociopaths because of their dominance behavior. Once I understood this, I set out to find a way to feel differently about them. I wanted to like them less. I had always observed that there were some mental health professionals who were instinctively repulsed by sociopaths and I wanted to know what was different about them.
In studying the literature on dominance behavior and personality I discovered that dominance and empathy are opposed to each other. When dominance motives are in play empathy is turned off. The hormones of dominance also turn off empathy. The opposite is also true empathy and affection also suppress dominance motives.
Armed with this knowledge I set out to study men I knew who had long track records of loving empathetic behavior. I spent hours talking with them about their views of love, life and life’s purpose. I did this until the lesson had sunk in emotionally not just intellectually. A fully human person, male or female is loving and devoted. He or she is able to control dominance motives and express them only when appropriate.
Since this emotional lesson sunk in, I have found myself actually repulsed by dominant people. I no longer admire them or find them entertaining. Instead, I emotionally experience them as they are, shallow and lacking in important qualities.
Sociopaths also “take us” on another level. They manipulate us into forming bonds with them. These bonds are unconscious and chemical- whether the sociopath is a family member or lover. Breaking a bond with a sociopath is very painful. We do not have to be enslaved by our human bonds, we can acknowledge them and realize that at times these bonds have to be broken even though doing so is painful and difficult.
To sum it up then your new wiser mindset may have many aspects to it. Wisdom is a practice as well as a state of mind.
Henry — Oh, deja vu! With my ex-S, it was as though he wanted the best of both worlds. He wanted to be in a close, very tightly bonded relationship with me, but he also wanted to be able to whore around if he wanted to. When I was at work during the day, he had another woman over at the home we shared … making love in the bed I slept in that very night. And we weren’t having problems at the time. (???)
I don’t know what this “bond” is, but from what I’ve read, it occurs very quickly and develops rapidly and intensely, whereas all of the other relationships I’ve had started out tentative and slow and then gradually gained momentum. This was true for me, and I’ve noticed, for a lot of people here. I can’t help but to wonder why this transpires so quickly.
UNW; it’s evil spell/power
jere; What a tangeld web it weves , When
it’s only purpose is to decieve !
it is the LIE !
Mirror; if i reflect you? who’s fault am i ?
it is LIES
Greater is HE who is in ME than it( he ) that is
in the World !
Oh Good morning all and peace be with you Rev. Jere is awake :)~
This is the day that the LORD hath made ! Let US REJOICE and be HAPPY in it
for tomarow is not promised ! let every moment count for our days are numberd !
“I AM” ; What are you that you can’t add a single day to your life ?
Ooops brain fart aAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I will have to get back to you on this one seems Nurse Hatcht missed placed a page of my sermon ! :)~
LOVE jere
WOW – IT IS DEJA VU! When things started to go down hill with mine he would say “I’m not cut out for a relationship” ”“ “why don’t you just sit there and look pretty,” or the best one was that “people who deal with me know the type of person he was and accept my conditions.
Iwonder /henry/AND unwilling ”“ I am being to agree with Star again ”“ did these guys all go to the same school or are they possibly related to the 50 or so relatives of my ex’s uncle. : )
I could literally take a sample from what each one of you said. Mine knew his time was coming bc when I was away and heard about the girl being at my house we had an argument ”“ he told me “fine I’ll just pack up my stuff and I’ll move out when you get back.” You won’t believe how many times he’d threatened to leave and then still be there the next day like la de da.
Anyway, when I finally told him he had to leave ”“ I said “look at it this way, you can finally be free to do what you wish with your little 18 year old and not be in my house” of course he tried to again say there was nothing go on there. When the realization hit him that he was indeed going to be gone for good he made similar comments as Iwonder’s ex ”“ Maybe we just need some space, I still plan on calling you and asking you out, everything is going to be okay.” Two days later he was with her. He was still trying to convince me that we were okay and even said that he expected when he came back to the house that I hadn’t messed up what he had spent so long cleaning. That’s bc he had to move back to his mother’s place. If he could keep pressing me to come back he could still be in his relationship with me, be able to whore around if he wanted to.
After it happened ”“ after about 3 weeks of NC and we finally spoke he said to me “it looks like the space has done YOU some good.” In such a way like “okay, you’ve had ample time to be angry. Everything is good. I look forward to coming back when you return.” I had no response to it and not less than 3 days after that came the “let’s get married” comment. (Which came 2 days after he became Facebook “friends” with the girl). Just keepin us going. Obviously this was more than likely a sex thing with them. Though I currently don’t know what the deal is between them. In my mind they have a relationship ”“ my irrational thoughts of them being all happy and chummy. – But really, I don’t understand it? I could see if the plan was to move in with her and get what you can but she lives with her parents, they own the car she drives, they own the cell phone???? Sorry got off on a bit of a tangent. But maybe that’s just it. He thought he’d be with her and still hole up with me.
This is a great site, and I’m glad I found it.
This woman’s little “investigation” really blew me away. A truly original contribution.
I, too, can usually smell a sociopath from a mile away — in workplaces, in my extended family (my uncle, for instance), and in dating situations. I fell for one sociopath boyfriend once, and it was exactly as she described.
So there it is — I pride myself in my awareness, and how closely it matches this writer’s. And yet, if you are really close to a person it may escape you. This is how my toxic sister was able to hang on for so long. She evaded a few corners of my bullshit detector, even after being “busted” by the rest of it.
And yes, it’s just what she describes — a lack of empathy.
What a loser. He can’t even find a car to come pick up his crappy 3 tv’s and a box of misc. stuff. I texted that i will be dropping his stuff off at the OW’s house this evening. I’m going to leave the crap curbside. This is cleaning house for me. The means no more contact after this evening. Finally.
iwonder why dont you just throw it away? why put yourself through going to the OW place? you dont owe him anything sweetie –
Iwonder-I’m sure he can find a way to get the stuff, but he is procrastinating because he know’s that when his stuff is completely gone, he will have no reason or excuse for contact. He knows that is his only ticket to see you.
Henry-Throwing it away will give him fuel and reason to contact her again. Either for her to ‘pay him back since she threw out his precious stuff (that he refused to pick up),’ or just to make her life hell. Basically, I agree, no harm done if she drops it off curbside, and then he has no reason to contact her again. Over and done with!
Ah yes that procrastination. That’s why mine kept the cell phone. For no other reason but to have a reason to contact me. Why on earth would you keep a phone you can’t even use. Believe me I made sure he couldn’t – not just by turning it off. Oh God I hate him!!!
Henry,
Astrology signs are fun, aren’t they? I don’t take them too seriously as I am a Christian and also believe we need to take in account environment, genetics, the intrinsic nature of person as their own individual self. But…there is some validity to the star signs.
I bought this zodiac personality book years ago that was published in the late 70s. It’s written very well, insightful and amusing. It’s categorized by each sign, female & male, favorable and unfavorable traits, and last compatibility with other signs.
I read every single female sign, comparing and contrasting to my zodiac, and I had very little in common with any others. Only my sign..(taurus). The taurus female favorable section was not favorable at ALL…haha! Stating we tend to dig ourselves in ruts, obstinate to any and all constructive criticsm, unable to liberate ourselves from our own created prisons.
True, I have never listened to the unsolicited advice from any person. I think to myself….”Who are you to dictate to ME how to live my life? Are you so wise and knowing? So perfect in your behavior and course in life? NOT!” What a brat I was and still am from time to time. 😉
Also read that we tend to behave like a venus fly trap: see a man, grab him and take him to our home and treat him like the favorite pet of the month!..haha. Too funny as it WAS so true!
I would firmly decide, in my deluded mind, that my man should be the way I WISH him to be and none other. I was always unpleasantly surprised when he revealed his true nature that it didn’t correspond with my fabricated reality.
So, I take just as much blame in the failure of my relationships with the men I was involved with, whether they were a PDI or not (and a few were awesome fellas and still are).
I’ve had to completely reprogram my OWN behavior, my OWN rigid belief system, my OWN fantasy perceived notions. Otherwise I will just continue to do the same thing as always and getting nowhere and getting nothing done.
I don’t beat myself up for who I am. I celebrate my own individuality as we all shoud do. But I have made a solemn vow to myself to be flexible, to be receptive to change, especially regarding myself because change is inevitable and can be a real blast!….haha.