Last Friday Robin Hoffman interviewed me again on her radio show, The Feminine Soul. We discussed recovering from a relationship with a sociopath. She asked two very important questions, “How do we avoid picking another sociopath in the future?” and “How can we ever trust our instincts again?”
Coincidentally, yesterday I received this letter from a reader:
I got involved recently with a man who seemed to be the opposite of my previous psychopath. All the traits I like, strong, dominant, etc but seemed to have a good heart, and importantly a good history. I checked him out, he had a long service in the police force and a voluntary youth organization, was widely respected and successful.
Recognizing my vulnerability, I kept my eyes and ears open, and my heart guarded.
After 3 weeks I started to spot inconsistencies, tested a bit, and noticed the feeling of cognitive dissonance and didn’t ignore it.
After 6 weeks I ended the relationship, even though part of me was screaming inside “no, don’t do it”. Only afterwards did I discover that not only was he cheating on a wife who had cancer, but he was also cheating on a long term girlfriend, who genuinely loved him and is devastated. He was playing with fire by putting us both on the same webpage and we got chatting without having any idea of the relationships involved and it all came out. I’ve given her a link to saferelationships.com and can only hope she learns from the experience.
I SO proud of myself. I got out before getting involved, so it didn’t hurt. The experience was positive in that I made a different choice, for me. My stop light is starting to work and I’m learning I can trust my instincts again.
There are three parts of ourselves that are “taken” by the sociopath. The first part is the conscious mind. The sociopath fools the conscious mind by lies. It can be very difficult to detect these lies because skilled sociopaths use willing and unknowing accomplices to back up their lies. (This is why it is important for family members to distance themselves from the sociopath and his/her relationships.)
Sociopaths know to pick on trusting people. In general trusting people are loyal and trustworthy. These are good qualities so when your conscious mind is taken, you can be left with a lot of self-doubts. The strategy of carefully checking out people’s claims is a good one but it often takes time to uncover a sociopath’s lies.
Our unconscious minds also get “taken” in the sociopath’s con. Sociopaths are dominant and seductive. These traits may be arousing and attractive. I think that this may be in born. We may be attracted to these traits instinctively just like certain body parts are arousing for some.
Even though the attraction to the dominance and seductiveness of sociopaths may be instinctual, I don’t think we are stuck with it. I was able to train myself to be different and I want to share with you how I did it.
I am somewhat ashamed to say it took me too long to understand that I was drawn to sociopaths because of their dominance behavior. Once I understood this, I set out to find a way to feel differently about them. I wanted to like them less. I had always observed that there were some mental health professionals who were instinctively repulsed by sociopaths and I wanted to know what was different about them.
In studying the literature on dominance behavior and personality I discovered that dominance and empathy are opposed to each other. When dominance motives are in play empathy is turned off. The hormones of dominance also turn off empathy. The opposite is also true empathy and affection also suppress dominance motives.
Armed with this knowledge I set out to study men I knew who had long track records of loving empathetic behavior. I spent hours talking with them about their views of love, life and life’s purpose. I did this until the lesson had sunk in emotionally not just intellectually. A fully human person, male or female is loving and devoted. He or she is able to control dominance motives and express them only when appropriate.
Since this emotional lesson sunk in, I have found myself actually repulsed by dominant people. I no longer admire them or find them entertaining. Instead, I emotionally experience them as they are, shallow and lacking in important qualities.
Sociopaths also “take us” on another level. They manipulate us into forming bonds with them. These bonds are unconscious and chemical- whether the sociopath is a family member or lover. Breaking a bond with a sociopath is very painful. We do not have to be enslaved by our human bonds, we can acknowledge them and realize that at times these bonds have to be broken even though doing so is painful and difficult.
To sum it up then your new wiser mindset may have many aspects to it. Wisdom is a practice as well as a state of mind.
I think it would be an interesting cultural experience to go to a bar and watch drunks beat each other up, too! LOL
I feel so much better. Thanks for reminding me that I have choices. I love you guys so much. I’m going out to have lunch by myself at my favorite restaurant and read my book Die Broke, which I’m really enjoying.
Everyone have a great day!
I would give my eye teeth to be able to go to a bar and watch the drunks beat eachother up. That’s just up my ally. LOL. I guess I’m thinking better of it, though.
Skylar, the one thing that really jumped out at me about your dream is that you wanted to hide in the cupboard and bumped it open. You saw what looked like a baby doll, but it was the infant Jesus. What stuck out to me was your story about your little sister being allowed to chew on your baby dolls head.
What does that have in common with the infant Jesus? Any connection?
Did your sister have any influence on your relationship with religion?
Another theme: First the war was to be waged between robots…not real people, but then it turned out that it was waged between Humans and evil creatures.
So you’ve got the doll becoming Jesus and the robots becoming human.
Almost Pinnochio like.
Is something in you just coming to life?
Your spirituality, for instance?
Kim,
wow! I knew you would catch something that I missed: the theme of what is real and what is just a 2 dimensional imitation of life. YES!
My own interpretation was that there is a war between good and evil. Evil appears to win, but it doesn’t really because the innocent baby Jesus has saved us by dying on the cross and exposing the innocence of the scapegoat. (All ideas of Rene Girard)
But your interpretation has a much more personal meaning for me. The chess board is a two-dimensional setting. The robots aren’t real. In fact, during the dream, I fluctuated between thinking I was watching a movie or actually being in a real war. The doll becoming a real baby is interesting too. Babies in dreams usually symbolize new ideas or plans or projects. The fact that it was the baby Jesus, our savior, maybe symbolizes new hope?
I’m not really sure how it might tie in with the doll I had that my baby sister destroyed, but I can see this is a recurring theme in my life: dolls that I think are real babies and babies that I think are dolls. I had a dream like that when I was 4 years old. And, When I was born, my mom told my older sister (who was 3) that I was her new doll. My sister believed it and she loves me more because of that, to this day.
There is a new way of perceiving the world coming to life in me, these days. It has a new dimension in which I’m integrating all of myself, instead of trying to work with only one tool or another. It gives another meaning to the words “having integrity”. These concepts are what I’ve been looking to understand for almost 2 years and they are finally coming to life. Thanks Kim, so much for helping me. You’ve been a big part of that.
Skylar, I took a class in Dream interpretation in college, as well as having read some Jungian theory, and just love to untangle metephors and allegory. Symbols in dreams, stuff like that.
I love to anaylize my own dreams, because I think they are a running progress report on our lives and growth.
I also dreamed last night that a car with a trailer was backing up, and almost ran over two children…in the dream they were mine, and I cussed the driver out, and a man standing next to me, (in the dream he was my husband, but in reality I’d never seen him before) said,”you are so angry. Let it go.”
He then said I was angry because “He made me have a baby.”
I said, “I never said you made me have a baby.”
He got tears in his eyes, and I said, “okay. We’ll talk about this at home and I hugged him, a very sincere and warm and loving hug.
I think this dream is telling me that I blame my dependancy issues on the men I’ve attached myself to, and it’s time to let that blame go and just work on myself.
I am open to any ideas you might have.
Hi Stargazer,
I haven’t read all the posts, so I may be repeating what someone else already said.
But I have come to realize that one way I was giving away my power, sanity, time, attention etc. was by trying to “make things right” or “explain what I meant” or “get closure”.
For example, if I get an angry and foul email from someone, and my first response is “OH, they clearly misunderstood, let me clear this up for them”….I stop myself and remind myself a) this person chose to be rude to me b) it is not my job to “help” anyone who has been rude to me, or illuminate for them where they are off, etc. . In fact, it is rather presumptuous of me c) I don’t care what rude people think of me or what they say about me…chances are good everyone else just thinks they are rude too! d) past experiences have taught me that they will just be rude again in the future, despite whatever I “work out” with them.
And with people who did NOT misunderstand something, but were just rude or whatever…there is even less reason to interact further with them.
I’m finally at peace with people hating me, people thinking the wrong thing about me, people saying something to me that shows how way off base their thinking is, etc. I just comment something like “interesting point of view, sorry I’ve got to go.” Or just walking away and no comment at all. They can think they put me in my place, they can think I’m hurt, they can think I’m angry….I don’t care.
I think some of us who grew up with a narc or worse spent a lot of time trying to read them, tip toe around them, explain ourselves, clarify things, apologize, get closure, etc. Old habits die hard.
And if it is your own behavior that you are in conflict about, it is best worked out with a therapist or your diary or here, but NOT with the guy.
I’m almost to the point of ONE strike, you are out, and I don’t owe you or even want to give you any feedback, explanation, etc. I don’t necessarily hate the person, I’m just done with them. I don’t think it is insincere to simply be polite and get the hell away from them as soon as you can. I worry less about my obligation to THEM and more about protecting my valuable time and emotional energy and what I choose to focus on.
Kim,
so you had babies in your dream too.
Just off the top of my head, I would say the two babies are two things which symbolize your creativity, which almost got crushed in their formative years. In other words you are angry because some big, inconsiderate asshole almost destroyed your potential to create.
A husband might symbolize the seed that allows you to create, since your husband is the person who inseminates you so you can have children. He says you are angry at him for inseminating you with your creativity and he cried.
Maybe he is symbolizing your sensitive, nurturing side which is where your creativity comes from. He tells you to stop being angry and let it go. Your children/creativity didn’t get squashed, they survived, let it go and continue on your path toward living a creative life.
I think your dream was inspired by your script writing job. It’s telling you to go for it, there’s so much creativity in you.
Thanks, Skylar. 🙂
Good post on talking and talking and talking to men about what went wrong, etc etc.
http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/women-who-talk-think-too-much-wasting-time-explaining-discussing-with-men-that-dont-want-to-listen/
Sure fit me exactly about 4 years ago. No more!