Last Friday Robin Hoffman interviewed me again on her radio show, The Feminine Soul. We discussed recovering from a relationship with a sociopath. She asked two very important questions, “How do we avoid picking another sociopath in the future?” and “How can we ever trust our instincts again?”
Coincidentally, yesterday I received this letter from a reader:
I got involved recently with a man who seemed to be the opposite of my previous psychopath. All the traits I like, strong, dominant, etc but seemed to have a good heart, and importantly a good history. I checked him out, he had a long service in the police force and a voluntary youth organization, was widely respected and successful.
Recognizing my vulnerability, I kept my eyes and ears open, and my heart guarded.
After 3 weeks I started to spot inconsistencies, tested a bit, and noticed the feeling of cognitive dissonance and didn’t ignore it.
After 6 weeks I ended the relationship, even though part of me was screaming inside “no, don’t do it”. Only afterwards did I discover that not only was he cheating on a wife who had cancer, but he was also cheating on a long term girlfriend, who genuinely loved him and is devastated. He was playing with fire by putting us both on the same webpage and we got chatting without having any idea of the relationships involved and it all came out. I’ve given her a link to saferelationships.com and can only hope she learns from the experience.
I SO proud of myself. I got out before getting involved, so it didn’t hurt. The experience was positive in that I made a different choice, for me. My stop light is starting to work and I’m learning I can trust my instincts again.
There are three parts of ourselves that are “taken” by the sociopath. The first part is the conscious mind. The sociopath fools the conscious mind by lies. It can be very difficult to detect these lies because skilled sociopaths use willing and unknowing accomplices to back up their lies. (This is why it is important for family members to distance themselves from the sociopath and his/her relationships.)
Sociopaths know to pick on trusting people. In general trusting people are loyal and trustworthy. These are good qualities so when your conscious mind is taken, you can be left with a lot of self-doubts. The strategy of carefully checking out people’s claims is a good one but it often takes time to uncover a sociopath’s lies.
Our unconscious minds also get “taken” in the sociopath’s con. Sociopaths are dominant and seductive. These traits may be arousing and attractive. I think that this may be in born. We may be attracted to these traits instinctively just like certain body parts are arousing for some.
Even though the attraction to the dominance and seductiveness of sociopaths may be instinctual, I don’t think we are stuck with it. I was able to train myself to be different and I want to share with you how I did it.
I am somewhat ashamed to say it took me too long to understand that I was drawn to sociopaths because of their dominance behavior. Once I understood this, I set out to find a way to feel differently about them. I wanted to like them less. I had always observed that there were some mental health professionals who were instinctively repulsed by sociopaths and I wanted to know what was different about them.
In studying the literature on dominance behavior and personality I discovered that dominance and empathy are opposed to each other. When dominance motives are in play empathy is turned off. The hormones of dominance also turn off empathy. The opposite is also true empathy and affection also suppress dominance motives.
Armed with this knowledge I set out to study men I knew who had long track records of loving empathetic behavior. I spent hours talking with them about their views of love, life and life’s purpose. I did this until the lesson had sunk in emotionally not just intellectually. A fully human person, male or female is loving and devoted. He or she is able to control dominance motives and express them only when appropriate.
Since this emotional lesson sunk in, I have found myself actually repulsed by dominant people. I no longer admire them or find them entertaining. Instead, I emotionally experience them as they are, shallow and lacking in important qualities.
Sociopaths also “take us” on another level. They manipulate us into forming bonds with them. These bonds are unconscious and chemical- whether the sociopath is a family member or lover. Breaking a bond with a sociopath is very painful. We do not have to be enslaved by our human bonds, we can acknowledge them and realize that at times these bonds have to be broken even though doing so is painful and difficult.
To sum it up then your new wiser mindset may have many aspects to it. Wisdom is a practice as well as a state of mind.
Dear Stargazer,
I have some wonderful friends who are profoundly practicing Buddhists. We are always discussing philosophy and our beliefs. I have learned a great deal from them to apply to my own life.
Actions also follow thoughts. The thought is the father to the action. If we keep a positive attitude then we feel positive. If we ACT positive we can influence our own emotions and thoughts. But when we get into an “DOWNWARD” Spiral it is difficult to stop the fall “in mid air” sometimes. I know it was for me. I had to find what kept me down, and I finally found that my inability to forgive them kept me bitter, so I worked on that, but still even though it helped me to get the bitterness out of my heart for them, I still had something keeping me down and I realized I HAD NOT FORGIVEN MYSELF. So I worked on that and it was like the “weight of the world” was lifted off my shoulders. I’ve still got things to work on (I’m far from perfect! LOL) but I’m working on them from a feeling of freedom and joy, not from a position of pain any more.
I am experiencing more JOY in my life than I thought possible a year ago. Life is on the upswing now instead of the downward spiral into the abyss.
I saw him today. He came to see the baby. I played nice. I told him what he did was an assault to me. The other women is barely above 18 years old, and he was dressed like a 20 year old. Not that there is anything wrong with the style of a 20 year old, if you are 20! What I am getting at, is that I saw him, and I felt annoyance. I thought I would get weak in the knees at the sight of this man I loved once. But I found him too crazy and ridiculous looking. He is crazy. He aliented me, and now I feel nothing but a mild annoyance at his sight. I noted his lack of feeling towards me. And this time it didn’t hurt. Because that is how I feel about him! And that lack of feeling he emulates, is just another peg to his craziness! Along with his outfit omg
Ox-I love your story. Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up:) I told him he is a N. Nothing he could say or do can change that for me now. He tried. My mind is made up. It is a done deal.
Molly-I love your story too. What happened to me was an assault. I was assaulted and badly injured. But today….I saw him…..I felt nothing…..he is gone and I am relieved……and it IS a GREAT day.
The other women, on the other hand, was a basket case. She is slowly going crazy.
Hi Molly,
I’m so glad you never got on that plane. Nothing would have changed and you would have dug yourself into a deeper mess. I remember your posts and your ex S was as controlling and dominating as mine was. Since I would not find a job where I could work out of my home, he became horribly abusive because I wouldn’t obey. Yuck. We will be fine.
Hi Bird! I hope when I see my ex again I wont have pain and hurt written on my face. They seem to thrive on it. When I was communicating with my ex to get the car back and the deed to my home, I would write letters to dear mr so and so…like I was a friggin bill collector and he was nothing more than a debtor I was chasing. My phone messages were cold asking when I could expect him to go to my attorneys office, etc. But on the inside i was dying. After I hung the phone up, I would weep. But i refuse to let him see anymore hurt. I need to act like he’s nothing to me just like I was nothing to him.
Dear BIRD,
TOWANDA! You are THERE sweetheart! I am so happy for you. The opposite of love is NOT hate, it is INDIFFERENCE and your “mild annoyance” is just that, indifference.
He did NOT come to see the baby, I can guarentee you that. He is getting ready to make a come back bid, I bet the farm on that one sugar.
He is pretending to be interested in the baby but the Ps don’t care hoot for their own children or anyone else. My P-bio father saw me once at age 2, and then again at age 16, then screwed up my life from 17 to 19 and for years of pain afterwards. I know from personal experience that they are like “bad pennies” they keep turning up and up just long enough to hurt you.
I’m not sure what his legal rights to see Birdie are, but please, keep him as far away as possible, he will never bring anything in to Birdie’s life but PAIN AND ABUSE. I don’t need a crystal ball to be able to “foretell” that future if he stays in Birdie’s life even a little bit. They are so so very toxic.
Give Birdie a big squeeze from Aunty Oxy! and a big hug for YOU@.......!
Bird-
For comic relief…pls. share his outfit. Mine I liken to Austin Powers….
Yeah, I am embarassed.
Bird: Yeah Baby! LOL!!
a newspaper print t-shit. An “emu” army jacket. Faded jeans with get this, embroidery on the back pockets lol He used to wear polos and levis!
Well, now the other women is saying she wants to “murder me and kick my ass” on her myspace page. I tell you. I could give her advice on what I did and tell her that if she looks at herself and realizes she has been injured, then her anger towards me will disappear and she will feel better. I think she needs to learn that on her own and it will never happen as long as she is with him. Besides, it doesn’t make logical sense that she is angry at me. He told me she is jealous that I had a baby with him. Are you kidding me? Apparently he told her if she gets pregnant she has to get an abortion. Which I found strange because he always told me he is prolife. Alright, it’s not strange if we call him a sociopath is it!
Ox-legally I am on pins and needles. I am doing my best.
Bird: Wow. How old is your ex? What the hell could he have in common with an 18 year old? She probably makes him feel young again..LOL!! He’s ridiculous.
Hey Bird! Congratulations! I wish I could get to indifference with mine. I thought I had it when he last called me – well I did but it was before I knew what he was and about this site. Right now it’s taking all of my willpower not to call him. My mind as of lately has been OVERWHELMED with thoughts of him and I talk about him to my one friend so much he said he needs a mathmatecian to keep track of how much of his life has been taken up talking about him. : (
BTW – mine is 32 and his just graduated from H.S. last year. He used to (probably still does) dress the same way. His favorite shirt which i ended up “accidently” spraying bleach on had a friggin embroidery of a phoenix with some outlandish saying on the back. ick! Thinking back on it some of the stuff he wore was downright creepy looking.
In response to previous posts about body language – here’s one for you – mine would stand a la Superman. I am sure I need not have to describe. But for some reason despite all he’s put me through – here I am on this beautiful Sunday depressed bc I miss him and want him to call me – even though he probably never will again.
Thanks for the shoulders.
Everyone, what a sociopath would see in a younger woman is that younger women are easily controlled and manipulated, aside from, of course, being a source of sex. Ugh. Be glad that you are older and no longer easy to fool. Imagine what a sociopath will do to a teenager’s self esteem and view of men, once she gets discarded!
OxD,
You are such an inspiration to me. To hear that you also respect Buddhist ways of thinking just makes me respect you even more. So often with followers of a religion, it’s their way or the highway. I have gone through these ups and downs my whole life, and feel like I still am trying to get to the core of the onion. It really really helps to have the support here, because when I get depressed, I isolate myself, and that makes it worse. It’s really hard to share the pain with anyone, even therapists, so I end up feeling so alone. I know every time I go through one of these cycles of pain, I feel stronger. I just wish I could be done with it already.