I had visited my father on Death Row before, but this trip was different. I was traveling to Union Correctional Institution with two homicide detectives with the intent to record a conversation with my father about two murders he described to me years earlier.
Actually the main purpose of this visit was to get him to tell me about another murder, one that he never confessed to me, but one that I know he committed. It was his first victim, but they still have not found the body. It was an old friend of my fathers that disappeared after meeting with my dad, but this is a story for another day. It is so hard to write about my father’s activities simply because of the number of victims and crimes. I mentioned this because I thought my father might talk about it if I asked him so that is why I went up there, to help solve another crime. The two murders I knew about were secondary.
The drive up to Death Row was a two hour trip, but the detectives were extraordinarily nice. They were compassionate and I felt they understood my situation. We talked a lot about sociopaths and how much damage they do to their families. They mentioned that the families of the sociopath (perpetrator) are often the forgotten ones, so to speak. Most of the attention in our society is about what damage is done to the victim’s family, but there are two sides as many of us know all too well.
On the way up I was very calm. I prayed a great deal about this day and spent some quiet time early in the morning before leaving the house. The thought of facing my father and trying to get him to talk about these murders was frightening and I knew it was something I could not do on my own. It is interesting that I can find the greatest peace when I recognize circumstances are well beyond my control and I am able to surrender the outcome to a higher power. That is what I did before I left the house.
As I have mentioned before I idolized my Dad growing up and still continued to communicate with him and occasionally (every few years) visit him on death row. I would also write him to tell him about my accomplishments looking for his approval, even after all he had done. This is the most baffling part of all. I can’t explain the mixed emotions, just share my experience. It was almost like I completely compartmentalized things. On the one hand he was still my father, but on the other he was a cold blooded killer.
For those of you that have children that are being influenced by another parent that is a sociopath I can tell you that I knew right from wrong and knew something was wrong deep down. I always knew this and the more my father did others wrong the deeper this divide became. I do think it was always there it just took time and I am grateful for those around me as a young adult that simply showed me the right way to live.
Anyway, when we arrived at Death Row they brought us right in and took me to a private room that is used for inmates to meet with their lawyers. They placed a wire on me and a recorder under the chair, and then sent for my father. He did not know I was coming and I wasn’t sure how he would react to me being in this “special” room, but again, I put my Faith in another father that I had come to rely upon and didn’t concern myself with worry or circumstances, I simply stayed focused and calm.
He was shocked to see me, but also excited. It reminded me of how he had conned so many people before going to prison. He would make them feel so excited about a deal that they failed to look at or recognize things that they should have been paying attention to. Meetings like this just didn’t happen unless you were a lawyer, but I told him that I had met a powerful organization that was out to get bad cops regardless of whether they thought the person committed the crime. He had always said that the police in his case fabricated some of the evidence to convict him and I told him this group agreed.
I told him I could help him, something which I had not done in the 15 years he had been on death row, but I needed some security so I could feel safe. I had always told him that I wouldn’t help him because of the publicity that it might bring, but that wasn’t true, I didn’t want him out. Like so many of his cons before I was in this room for the complete opposite reason that he was so excited about. I was here to see that he never had a chance to get out, period. There was little chance of this anyway but he was optimistic about his appeals.
We talked for a while and when I told him that I needed to have information that would make me feel safe if he got out before helping him, his whole demeanor changed. He sat back thought about it and smiled. He looked right at me with his cold eyes and said “I get it, blackmail”. Odd as it sounds he seemed extremely proud of me for doing this; it was like I was now playing his game. He was suddenly very engaged, this was fun for him.
I am not sure how to tell this story without making it too long. We spent about two hours together and he repeated everything I told the homicide detectives, basically word for word. He also talked about the woman he killed that placed him on death row, a conviction he was still denying to others and a case that was under appeal. I think the thing that stood out the most is the excitement in his voice and mannerisms when he talked about the murders. He was proud of it, except for getting caught of course, which he referred to as “stupid mistakes, sloppy”. (He would not confess to the murder that I was hoping to get him to talk about, apparently killing a friend was not something he thought I could handle).
I left Death Row knowing that I had done the right thing. I still had some mixed emotions though. Even after seeing my father excited to talk about murders that he committed I still felt sorry for him and I also knew what was coming his way.
I felt a great deal of pain about how he was going to feel when he found out that I betrayed him. I was his favorite kid and now I was about to become his worst enemy. But, this is what separates me from him. I thank God that I have these emotions and that I can feel compassion for others, even when some people don’t think they deserve it.
They did bring charges and my father sent me some threatening letters. He turned on me as I expected but it was ok. In fact, I think it helped to see him direct his evil behavior at me and my family. This brought some closure and removed all doubt about what he was capable of.
A little over a year ago he plead guilty and was given two more life sentences. There was some TV coverage and a few articles in the newspaper but nothing major.
Now this experience allows me to help others. It is a gift that I am grateful for. I would not change anything in my past. I think everything we experience in life has great value if we are willing to learn from it and use it to help others.
Although I have enjoyed writing these stories I prefer to move on to something that might be more helpful to those of you that might have questions that you think my experience can help you with. If so, please comment and I’ll be more than happy to share my experience in future posts.
Tilly:
Are you OK?
I worry about all the stress you are under right now.
I am stressed out, too. That’s why I have been playing tennis every day!
I need to hit something! HARD!
And, I am not going through anything even close to what you are dealing with right now.
You will get through this, Tilly.
This will not go on forever.
Luv you.
Tilly:
I have to say I am finding myself very upset with what I have been reading….
and I am extremely worried about you.
You don’t sound right…..your posts are not making any sense and I find your lashing out mixed with the crying out, to be very worrisome.
I am envisioning you posting, then wandering around the house in circles, in a frenzy allowing anger to fester and coming back on and posting a lash or a prayer or a dig
I don’t see this as healthy for you in your current intense stress situation
It may be more productive for you to allow good thoughts and positive feelings in this time of stress.
I know it’s hard to find good things at times….but they are always around us …..there are flowers in bloom, there are the uplifting bible verses to read, there is the ocean, the birds, whatever you can find a molecule of pleasure in will help you NOW. I suggest you reach for any positive you can find.
It is not personal…..only YOU can stop the festering of these thoughts.
We are on the same team here!
I am not judging you, and I can’t control how you recieve this…..I believe (and I appologize to other members if I speak out of turn) and I know you and certain members have a close connection here…..but I believe you are allowing certain members to worry about your well being and yanking some chains…..I don’t think any of us should be placed in this roll and I believe it’s unfair of you to single your posts out to singular members and only them.
We are a support system, we can have discussions with other individuals, but all discussions should be open to all members feedback as a whole.
I believe is puts undue pressure on others and places them in an awkward position of caretaking at the risk of ‘having the gun pointed at THEM’.
You are stressed, you have support here……stop alienating yourself from your support….
We are not bullies or a gang from OZ…..you don’t have to be on defense!
I do not wish to soften your voice, or silence you, as you have valuable opinions that help us all…..I would like to ask that we have more productive, less destructive exchanges moving forward.
I hope you are feeling better and able to get some rest…..
You do have ‘friends’ here!
XXOO
EB
Rosa:
Thankyou Rosa, and yes i am doing ok. (i.e. apart from my turps poisoning…the weight is dropping off me since i have diarreoh and can’t eat.). But I am learning to speak out and stand up for myself, especially to cluster B s!
Unlike the psychopaths who I am DISENGAGING with forever, I will YELL to a Cluster B…”DON”T TALK TO ME LIKE THAT YOU FAT PIG, I AM NOT SCARED OF YOU!!” (which is what I said today to one who was with my daughter outside court and had tried to totally humiliate me .)That shutemup fast Rosa. (I reckon that Cluster B’s can’t stand to be UNMASKED…unlike a psychopath, who doesn’t really care).
How can I help you de-stress Rosa? Let me know and i will do it. I can do anything at all that you need me to do (except pay a lot of money…because i don’t have any. Which has its advantages because no-one can rip me off anymore! lol!)
It is important that i have you to trust right now, to let me be me and to vent and not to have to worry that you are going to bully me or tell me I need to look at myself and tell me that I am this or that or anything else. I am just a little soul doing the best I can in a trial and so are you.
We are both stressed. My stress is NOT more than yours. Just different. And we both know it will increase before it gets better. And I don’t have anyone else but you right now that i can trust, except my son who is not here. So its you and me Rosa (and Lily), no-one can bring us down in this space, we are safe to love and be loved and supported. We are not VILE or having a go at anyone. We are praying our little hearts out to make it through to tomorrow. AND WE WILL. xoxoxoxoxoxo
Rosa: Damn, just noticed EBs post. I didn’t mean to upset anyone AGAIN, thats the reason i am here in this space with you (and Travis) who understand how heavy this is for me. I DON”T WANT TO UPSET OR POINT GUNS OR WHATEVER AT ANYONE !! BUGGA!
P.S.
I sure as hell don’t have time to wander round the house in circles…but when I do I’ll let you know!
EB
I’m sorry. I am going through a very serious trial and i don’t have anyone to lean on or trust. But I am not mad. But I am gone now for good.
Tilly:
Sweet….that is my point…..YOU DO HAVE US….
STOP PUSHING EVERYONE AWAY WITH YOUR ANGER and lashing out….redirect your anger to more productive means FOR YOU!
We do read your posts…..we do care about you….YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH YOU HAVE BEEN ON MY MIND THE PAST 2 DAYS!!!!
I look out at the lake here and in the wind and I wonder how you are doing at this very moment, I try to envision you in court…..I watched a boat sink today and thought …..that is tilly’s ex……
YOU JUST DON”T SEE you have love…you have support…..
STOP LASHING GIRL!
You need a breather…..you need to find fulfillment in TODAY! As lily’s situation should be teaching us….All we have is today!
As bad as our lives get…………….we only have today.
I bid you peace dear!
XXOO
LORD! I am fed up with this. Tilly, seriously, I LOVE you and CARE about you but if its JUST Rosa you want to interact with then why not do it over your private e-mails?
I cant understand why you come here to let us know you DONT want any input from anyone except a select few.
It feels bad for me. and I am hurting too.
I dont want this when I come here.
Also, Kim and Jill are GREAT bloggers, they disagreed with you and it got hairy ON BOTH SIDES. It doesnt feel good to be disagreed with.
But I cannot understand WHY, knowing how it feels to be going through what they’re going though, you would want to perpetuate the problem.
They have apologised and explained.
When i see folk nurture long standing GRUDGES for ‘slights’. It reminds me of MY MOTHER.