Last week I defined four types of love fraud that constitute points on a continuum from predatory love fraud to adultery. In all these relationships, one member of the couple inflicts physical, mental and/or financial injury on the other. Unfortunately, the presence of children does not necessarily deter violence in relationships. The fact that children can be caught in the middle in violent relationships is illustrated by the following news story reported this week.
According to the MainLineTimes.com, the police were called to a domestic dispute in Narberth, Pennsylvania, Tuesday night. Upon arriving at the scene, they found a 34-year-old woman in critical condition. They discovered that the assailant was likely Glenn Minsk, the victim’s live-in boyfriend and the father of her child. The child, an 18-month-old girl, was missing. An Amber Alert was issued and the child was recovered in good condition at the home of Minsk’s parents. Minsk apparently brought the child there after he allegedly assaulted the child’s mother and stole her car.
Keep in mind that we do not have all the details involved in this particular case. However, this story highlights the problem violent relationships pose for involved children. Children are traumatized when exposed to physical and emotional violence. Children may also have attachments to the perpetrators and victims of such violence.
Other problems faced by the children
I have received many letters from parents asking me if children should have visitation with a parent who has demonstrated himself/herself to be physically or emotionally abusive to the child’s other parent. In discussing this issue, I find there are a number of people who hold a belief exemplified by the following, “Just because he treated the mother this way, doesn’t mean he doesn’t love his child.” In fact, some might interpret the kidnapping of a child as an act of love. The courts also take this attitude and commonly grant visitation to the perpetrators of domestic violence.
The granting of visitation and custodial rights in cases of domestic violence/abuse is even more common when the perpetrator has not been found guilty of physical assault. The courts seem to take the stance that marital deception, psychological and financial predation, have “nothing to do with the child.”
What the courts and the public fail to understand about many perpetrators of domestic violence and abuse is that they are predators who are not capable of loving anyone, child or adult. These predators seek out social relationships purely for the sake of obtaining power, control and in some cases sadistic pleasure. We think that people who seek out social relationships do so out of a love motive. There is a general ignorance of the power motive and the manner in which this motive determines the behavior of many perpetrators of domestic violence. For more on power and control in domestic violence see The Duluth Model.
Anger management may not help
Those who teach anger management to the perpetrators of domestic violence can attest to the fact that not all perpetrators are sociopaths. Some have ability to love, but have very poor impulse control. These perpetrators do benefit from training to improve impulse control. Sociopaths and those motivated only by power motives are not capable of effective parenting even with training. A parent’s most important job is to teach a child to love, have impulse control and moral values (the Inner Triangle again). A parent who lacks these himself cannot impart them to a child. What purpose does it serve, then, for a child to have any relationship with such a parent?
Another issue that is discussed in older textbooks of child psychiatry is the impact that court-ordered visitation, in some cases, has on the custodial parent or guardian. How is a victim or a victim’s family supposed to feel about a child visiting a violent or abusive person? These are people we warn our children to stay away from! Furthermore, when those who have custody and responsibility for the child are stressed by a visitation arrangement, that is not good for the child. Caregiver stress has been shown to have a direct, negative effect on parenting and child wellbeing.
The true nature of human social relationships is just now being understood by science. If the perpetrator of domestic abuse/violence is a sociopath, he/she is unable to love. Furthermore, all of the sociopath’s intimate relationships are about dominance, power and control. Ultimately, our laws must be amended to reflect a more scientific understanding of our human relationships. Only then will our children be protected.
Freemama
my heart goes out, you have every reason to be upset and demented….I’d be furious…but this is difficult to prove
Were there marks on your child? I have NO DOUBT something happened, let’s call a spath a spath here…the child would not say that if he were not worried and upset about it….but they will probably look for evidence ie marks on the child, visible distress, not wanting to go to them again…etc. so maybe from that point of view…. a period of time starting now is nessecary to document all evidence of physical abuse…or they will see it as a once off incident where your son got out of hand and was disciplined in the heat of the moment…or something like that
I would tell them on no uncertain terms if it EVER happens again you will contact CPS that you are watching them and concerned for your son…it won’t mean a thing to them probably but it starts the ball rolling in the direction of CPS getting involved..but WITH a solid practical well worked out strategy…yes your child is at risk when he is with them…but that’s inevitable since the day he was born…what you need is enough evidence to prevent access…so bite the bullet this time and observe…bide your time…if it took one beating to get them properly… it would be worth it…sorry but it’s the truth….rather than piss off CPS AND the spath nest…
In the meantime observe your son, see how he is…see how things pan out… talk to him…reasure him….obviously if he was badly bruised and marked you would need photos etc. it’s a horrible situation…why would you want your son with people YOU wouldn’t feel safe with? yet that’s the situation all over the world.
Thanks, Buttons. My ds does have a therapist, and I called her yesterday and plan on calling her again this morning when it gets a little later. She said to just give it 24 hours.
Hurray for the good ol’ guilt. My ex falsely accused me of abuse and neglect with CPS, and it was 3 months of hell waiting to get that unfounded letter. In hindsight, I guess that was the spath’s purpose in calling them… to keep me from calling in the future and opt to communicate without getting the authorities involved, as I definitely would have liked done with me. In my case – I repeatedly asked him for help with walking my dog who had a UTI because my ds was sick… I said I had to walk the dog back and forth in front of my house to get her to go after my ds was asleep… he reported that as “neglect”. It was a nightmare. They went to my ds’ daycare, which resulted in permanent character assassination even though I had done nothing wrong. It put that seed of doubt in a lot of people’s mind. One of the worst things that ever happened to me. But I guess that was by design, eh?
My ds hates going to his dad’s, and constantly tells me he’d rather stay with me “a lot”. His dad is apparently moving in to a new houseshare (he had been living with two women when he wasn’t with his girlfriend), and my ds reports that there are 2 other guys and a girl living there. Lovely. I can’t even check it out! He likes these “community living” arrangements because he can get people to clean up after him and cook for him. Hard to believe he’s 36 years old!
I’m going to put in a motion to have a CASA assigned to our case. There’s just too much going on, and I should not have to put up with being in the dark like this. My ds told his therapist “Papa calls mama bad words”, and now this. Ugh!
“Spath nest”! That is EXACTLY what it’s like! His family is like a hornet’s nest! Utterly useless, but good grief can they make a lot of noise when he doesn’t get everything his way!!!!
Freemama, yeah……..from the mouths of babes comes truth.
Yes, get moving on filing the complaint – the spath “neglect” report was, indeed, a preemptive strike, and the child care people who stand in judgment can go do something to themselves, in private. Stand tall, shoulders back, and confident – you didn’t harm your son, and it’s their problem to either accept that, or not. You’re not responsible for other people’s opinions!
The father’s living arrangments are shaky, at best, and Family Court will not look favorably upon sending a defenseless 5-year-old into such a setting. Take it to the mat, Freemama. This is a battle worth fighting, tooth and nail. Don’t even offer a “next time” threat. Spath does NOT respond to real threats and your son is being exposed to everything that you experienced, and then some because he cannot defend himself against an adult, physically or emotionally.
It is our innate FEAR of rocking the boat, causing waves, disturbing the sleeping giant that keeps us from taking ACTION, even when it’s clearly warranted. We FEAR being under scrutiny because our experiences with the spath were frought with constant scrutiny. We are tired of defending ourselves. We are oh-so-tired of EXPLAINING ourselves. We have been programmed to believe that we will be ignored, discounted, and dismissed. Nothing can be further from the truth – at some point, someone will listen and HEAR the words. Even in the case of my spath son, I have to believe that someone will eventually HEAR and make something happen to stop him.
Do it, Freemama, and do it simply because your beautiful son is at extreme risk. This isn’t about vengeance – it’s about an innocent human that cannot defend himself.
Brightest blessings!!!
Hello, again! I feel like a dolt for not contributing my two cents to others’ experiences these days… feel like I’m always just coming here for advice. When my litigation hell is over with, I promise I will have lots to offer!
Some good news today (for those keeping up) – my ex filed a motion to get my confidential address among other things, and his interrogatories had all sorts of scary questions asking for very specific details of my life I don’t wish to share, including life insurance policy numbers. I spoke to my DV advocate today, and she said that I could tell the court that part of my safety plan created with her is to NOT give this man my address. Additionally, if I name my father as beneficiary for all policies instead of my son, I do not have to reveal any of these numbers, and he would not collect in the event he…say, kills me. Might make it a little less appealing to him, though I know he’s entertaining this option.
Then today, right on time (it’s like he KNOWS when I’m in a place of comfort), he sends this very polite-sounding e-mail (written for the benefit of the court) saying he’d like to attend our son’s school’s open house, and could I please tell him when I’d be there so he can come at a different time..? He has never EVER taken an interest in this sort of thing. I know exactly why he’s going… to slyly slander my good name to every single person he meets and put up the appearance of being a loving, concerned father actively interested in his son’s life. Of course now I have NO desire to go. I’ve already made the principal and teachers (and some of the parents) aware of my history of surviving domestic violence. I’m pretty sure they’re wise to his kind, but nonetheless I do not relish the idea of having people come up to me saying, “Oh! I met your son’s dad! What a nice guy!”. PUKE. It’s another lose/lose scenario, though. I was totally planning on going to this, and now I can’t. If I do, my nerves will be so wracked I don’t think I’ll enjoy it much. Plus – hello! He wants to know when I’m going maybe so he CAN go at that time and “accidently run into me” or WORSE watch from the bushes. I haven’t seen the man since our first court date in February, and I don’t care if I never see him again outside the courtroom. It’s driving him mad of course, but he still does what he can to exert control, case in point.
Am I being too paranoid? Am I playing into his sense of power by not going just because he is? I totally defer to the wise folks here on this and every matter. ;o)
Dear Freemama,
Don’t apologize to us, just keep yourself going forward one foot at a time!!! We will be here when you need us and be glad to have your help when you are able.
NO YOU ARE NOT BEING TOO PARANOID. ” Just cause you are paranoid does not mean someone is not out to get you.”
Is he allowed visitation? Supervised or unsupervised?
How does he know about the open house?
I would NOT REPLY to ANY email, have your attorney or the DV counselor send him a certified letter saying to communicate through the court/attorney.
As for the open house, I would keep the kid “home sick” that day. I realize that may be a “cowardly” way to handle it, but it doesn’t leave you open to the stalker finding you, following you home or whatever.
THERE IS NO WAY YOU SHOULD TRUST ANYTHING THIS MAN DOES.
God bless and keep safe! (((Hugs)))
I am married to a sociopath that is also a pastor of a Methodist congregation. I was drawn to him for his smooth talking ways, but little did I know so were at least 20 other women. He continued to date other people during our marriage and when I confronted him, he said it was not my issue. He never showed any remorse or concern for hurting my feelings or the children. Then he became physically violent towards me because I had the gull to stand up to him and say I would not tolerate his behavior. When I did, he immediately began painting a picture of me like I am a crazy person. The only thing I ever did crazy was believe him! So I got a restraining order and when we went to court, Mr. Preacher Man said he was never abusive, it was all me. I was the attacker on him. I’m glad this judge saw right through his lies but I’m concerned for the many people that may not understand the behavior. It hurts because now the church people think I’m just attacking the sweet, innocent pastor when he definitely is not sweet or innocent by any means. And I really, really love this man but as I read more I see that I love who he presented himself to be and not who he really is. That’s scary. So I have to start my life over again and I hate it but I am glad we are safe. He’s made death threats but I’m watching out for me and mine. You would expect so much more from the preacher man but he’s just a sociopath.
Dear preacher’s x-victim,
He did not treat you as a wife, he treated you as a possession or a victim. I am so sorry that he was this way, but religion is one way that psychopaths mask themselves as this wonderful person. So kind and good and generous. ROT!!!!
I hope that you will continue to stay around here and read articles in the archives. Knowledge is power and protecting ourselves and our loved ones is facilitated by our knowing what they are and how they think. We also have to learn why they were so slick and why we fell for it so we wont’ fall for the next one. God bless you and stay strong! Don’t let this hypicrit and false prophet get between you and your faith! He will get what he deserves! (((hugs))) and God bless.
How did you get over it? I find myself stronger, but I still mourn the loss of my family image and future I thought we were planning. And… how do you ignore the things people say about you because the sociopath lied?
Dear I wish I could tell you how you “get over it” but it takes time, and realizing that what and who YOU ARE does not depend on what others say about you. I wasn’t married to one, I dated one after my husband died, but it was still traumatic and painful, but most of my experience has been with family members who are psychopaths who LIE, CHEAT, MURDER AND STEAL and even tried to kill me. One is my egg donor, one is my son. My egg donor is the pillar of the church, so religious and holy she would make you puke, and she can lie through her teeth and accuse me of being a liar when her mouth is filled with lies.
They have no shame.
Sure, you lost an image, but that is all it was an image. We thought the image we had was real but it was just as fake as they are,, and they destroyed our dreams and desires. It HURTS. But learning about them, realizing you are NOT ALONE,, and working through the stages of grief and pain will bring you out the other end of this long dark tunnel.
Keep on reading here, go back through the archives and read til you “go blind” but learn and the knowledge will give you strength! (((hugs))) and my prayers.