The Buddhists say that we fall in love with our teachers. I know that in my relationship with the man I now belief is a sociopath, I realized early that I was in a sort of classroom.
He clearly saw the world differently than I did, and operated on principles that were so foreign to me that I couldn’t begin to connect the dots. I was truly in love with this man, had a clear vision of the benefits a good relationship would bring to both of us, and wanted to make it work. So I tried to understand. I kept trying through all the emotional pain that started very early in the relationship. I worked at getting him to appreciate and trust me more than he did. I also experimented with mimicking his behaviors, even though they were outside my comfort zone.
In all of this, I learned one basic lesson. No matter what I did, I lost. I didn’t get what I wanted from him. In negotiations or trades, I came out on the short end of the stick. I invested more than he did. Any temporary gain I won cost me more down the road. I lost money. Career equity. Personal connections. Self-respect. My expectations of the relationship kept diminishing through the five years I knew him, until my efforts were mainly centered on avoiding pain.
Through all this I was still profoundly attached to him. Part of me knew this was crazy, but I couldn’t break away. He was like a powerful magnet. Oddly, there was also a little voice in my mind that popped up occasionally, telling me, “Pay attention. This is important.” I had no idea what it meant, but in a way, it was the thing that kept me sane. It was telling me that this was happening for a reason.
This article is about one of the most important aspects of trauma processing.It is about what we learn as we realize that there is some other reality on the other side of healing.We play with this idea all the way through our healing. https://lamigliorefarmacia.com/kamagra-prezzo.htmlCertainly, the angry phase is about learning to be different than we were, working on not being a victim anymore.But there is more than that.There is also learning the lessons that sociopaths can teach us about winning.
The difference between sociopaths and us
In Strategy of the Dolphin, the book I mentioned in the first of these articles, the authors divided the world into two types of people, sharks and carps. Sharks are addicted to winning. Carps are addicted to being loved. These rough generalizations offer us a wealth of understanding about the differences between empaths (feeling people) and people who cannot bond.
There is another, related concept in this book about the nature of human interactions. That is, in all interactions, we act on what is most important to us — either the relationship or the outcome. If we are more concerned about the relationship, we are willing to compromise or give in to keep things friendly between us. If we are more concerned about the outcome, we will do whatever we have to do to get what we want. Outcome-oriented interactions may include a lot of apparent relationship-building but it is all part of the plan to get the desired outcome.
In the last year of our relationship, after being flattered, charmed and seduced for a few weeks by my ex, I agreed to a new arrangement that equated to paying for him living with me. Once he had the agreement, he reverted to his old cruel, distant and domineering self. (And I was stuck with supporting him, while he treated me like this.) When I asked him why he was so nice when he was leading up to a deal, he looked at me as though I were stupid and said, “We were in a negotiation. How did you think I’d behave?”
What I wanted to say to him was, “I expect you to not use my feelings against me.” But it was pointless. He regarded my feelings toward him as an annoyance. To him, everything was deals. He viewed people in terms of relative power. As long as I had the power in the relationship — such as when he was trying to get me to agree to something — he was going to suck up. When I didn’t have anything further that he wanted, my feelings or desires were unimportant. If I wanted something from him, he had the power and it was my job to offer him enough payment to make it worth his while.
I can write this very clearly now, but at the time, it was simply incomprehensible. My life was about love and all its permutations. I wanted to be liked and accepted. I was highly aware of other people’s insecurities and needs. Most of my relationships had some element of helping and I even made my living helping other people achieve their dreams. I tended to over-perform, because I was worried about meeting other people’s expectations. I worked too hard, over-committed, and took responsibility for everything — other people’s feelings, when things didn’t work out perfectly, and for my inability to take care of myself very well.
Naturally, my clients and lovers enjoyed the intense effort and creativity I put into their satisfaction. And naturally, I attracted a certain type of person, people who needed more than they could get from providers with healthier boundaries. I was perfect for my sociopath. He needed someone who would care about him enough to help him achieve his personal goals. That was me. And he was clever enough to give me exactly the minimum attention necessary to keep me thinking I was in a romantic relationship.
Learning another strategy
The authors of Strategy of the Dolphin talk about a third type, the dolphin, which has two characteristics that are different from the carp and the shark. The dolphin experiments with new strategies, when its standard behaviors aren’t working in a situation. Second, the dolphin will generally act like a peaceable, relationship-oriented carp unless circumstances require acting like a shark. When it is necessary to place outcome over relationship, the dolphin has no problem doing that.
In our healing from relationships with sociopaths, we practice outcome-over-relationship in many ways. We make the decision to end these relationships and then cut off contact. We place our health and survival first.
Our difficulty in doing this — and most of us have a very hard time of it — is evidence of more than the expertise of the sociopath in placing a hook in our hearts. That hook is not of their creation but ours. They take advantage of our internal rules and feelings of need or insecurity. Some of those rules might be that we must be nice people, kind or generous, and we must be fair or tolerant. Some of our needs might be that we want to be liked or appreciated, or that we expect something back from all the investments we made in the relationship. Some of our insecurities might be that we are not really attractive or lovable, or that if we leave this relationship, we’ll never be able to recoup all that we’ve lost. Sociopaths take advantage of all that, but they couldn’t take advantage of these issues, if we were inclined to feel these things in the first place.
But the most important thing that sociopaths take advantage of is our inclination to give up our power. We are willing to allow other people to lead us. We are willing to believe that other people know more about us than we do. We are willing to give up things we care about in order to keep the peace. We imagine that maintaining our boundaries is something burdensome that we only do when faced with “bad” people, and we prefer to be wide open to everyone and hope for the best.
In going no contact, we take back our power at very fundamental level. We make a choice about what we allow in our lives. Later, as we mull through the relationship and start to become clearer about the way that it was structured — that they won and we lost at every juncture — we begin to call it exploitation. Then we get angry, and we begin to pay much closer attention to the quality of our boundaries. Over time, in a successful recovery, we become much, much better at recognizing threats and defending ourselves.
Transitioning from defensive to creative living
A friend of mine who is just starting to go through trauma processing said to me that he feels frustrated because he can’t answer the question, “What do you want?” None of us can really answer that question in any practical sense until we have some feeling of what we’re capable of. In our angry, boundary-building, self-defensive phase, we learn a lot.
Probably the most important thing is that we learn that we’re capable of saying no. And thinking it, too. We say no, when things don’t feel right to us, or when someone offers us a deal that is clearly wrong for us. We think no, when we have an opportunity to do something that leads somewhere we don’t want to go. We start making judgments about what is bad for us. We get better at doing the blessed trio of self-defensive behaviors — avoiding problems, getting rid of them, and doing battle, if necessary.
At some point, we realize that there is a flip side to all this. Because in learning to recognize what we don’t want, we learn about what we do want. We don’t want disrespectful relationships. That might mean we do want respectful ones. We don’t want lies. That might mean that we want truth from people we deal with. We don’t want chaos in our lives. That might mean that we want to be able to work on our own plans, and enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Developing positive objectives, after we have developed good boundaries and defensive skills, brings us around to having potential characteristics that are very much like those that so frustrated me when I was dealing with my sociopath. Everything was about him. What he wanted. In negotiations, he never lost sight of his personal plans and objectives. He cared about my feelings when they mattered to him, in terms of getting what we wanted. He didn’t waste time or energy on issues that had nothing to do with him.
Many of us wonder if we are becoming sociopaths when we are recovering from these relationships. It is so foreign to us to fight for what we want. When we’re in the angry phase, it’s common for us to feel like we want revenge, because we feel like we’ve been victimized. But later, when we are less inclined to feel like victims, we realize that there are better places to put our energy. That living well is really the best revenge.
I am not suggesting that we become sociopaths. But that they have something to teach us that we, as the particular kind of people who get involved with sociopaths, can profit from learning. Sociopaths are like sharks. They don’t have the capacity to make the choice between relationship and outcome in a personal interaction. They will always look to win. As dolphins, we can choose to be accommodating or take care of ourselves, depending on the circumstances.
In practical terms, what does this mean about our relationships? It means we start viewing our relationships not just as good in themselves, but as means to get what we want. This may sound cynical, but it’s really not when it comes to our good relationships. Good relationships are good because they give us what we want and need. In dealing with people who are more problematic, we become more practical. Not everyone in the world is meant to be our close friend or lover. But sometimes people are good for something else, and so we use them for that. We moderate our involvement. But because we are feeling people, we don’t engage in behavior that is hurtful. If pain starts to be part of either side of a relationship, we either do what we can to fix it or we get out of it.
More than that, we become honest. First with ourselves, about what we want from the relationship and how it fits into the bigger picture of our lives. Sharing this information is done in a context of trust. If we don’t know if we can trust someone, we don’t expose all our dreams and motivations. But in our close relationships, we become honest and take the risk of an argument. Good relationships include disagreements. If a relationship won’t survive an argument, someone is demanding control and/or hiding their true intentions. Telling the truth enables the argument to be about us and what we want, not historical blaming or personal attacks.
We learn to make important statements that begin with “I want,” “I feel” and “I like.” When the other person is making similar statements, we discover intimacy. The conversation naturally becomes deeper and more rewarding. Yes, it’s risky to expose ourselves in this way. Yes, we have to be prepared for disagreement, rejection and possibly the end of the relationship. But for the right reasons. We don’t want close personal relationships with people who don’t like or can’t understand us. But in learning to become more open — and being capable of defending ourselves at the same time — we may discover intimacy even with passing strangers.
Confidence in our ability to defend ourselves, commitment to our own goals and objectives, and honesty are a powerful combination. It can transform our world, our relationships, and our sense of the trajectory of our lives. If this is what we gain from the sociopath’s classroom, we have learned well.
Namaste.
Kathy
Witsend, what would happen if you just totally bowed out of his life? If you no longer set curfew; expected him to attend school; Had no opinion about his friends; didn’t care what he did in his room; etc. Do you think if you gave him enough rope he might hang himself? Do you think he might then get in trouble with the law, and be incarcerated? It’s just a thought. God Bless.
Dear Witsend,
Sweetie! BOINK! every time you go back to thinking that the laws or courts might help you, repeat after me, “I will burn the house”——write it 500 times and turn it in by Saturday or go sit in the bathroom with a fire extinguisher with the door locked.
Whatever you do to pith him off is going to back fire on you, and he will NOT be kept in jail for life for sleeping in class. Heck, sweetie, they don’t keep ROBBERS and VIOLENT kids in Jail for long—a few days unless it is murder! What do you think they are going to do cause he sleeps in class? Crucify him?
He has you over a barrel because he has indicated to you that he WILL RETALIATE VIOLENTLY if you do anything to try to control him or to sanction him for not doing what he doesn’t want to do.
YOU DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER HIM. The law will not take control of him, and even if they did, it won’t be for long. He already HATES YOU, so what do you think he will do when the law lets him out of jail/juvy etc. THEY WILL SEND HIM HOME TO YOU, SWEETCHEEKS!
I know it is frustrating but you are CHECKMATED, you can’t move, you can’t recover, you can’t win in this “game” as he has, to mix my metaphors, the TRUMP CARD.
Sure, it hurts, it is frustrating, it MAKES YOU WANT TO SCREAM!!! I spent 20+ years denying the truth, the truth that I couldn’t influence him much less control him, and that he HATES ME WITH A PURPLE PASSION for what I did to him when he was 17—turn him in to the cops for stealing.
We all, to one extent or another have dwelled in DENIAL, and sweetie, that is NOT a river in Egypt, it is a SINKING ship with a bit hole in the bottom and it sinks like the Titanic. the ONLY thing we can do is to GET INTO A LIFE BOAT OF TRUTH, and paddle for all we are worth. As long as we keep on thinking the Titanic isn’t going to sink, and as long as we let life boat after life boat leave by denying that the Titanic can sink, we put ourselves more and more into jeapordy!
Sure, that life boat looks scary, but we’ve got to face TRUTH! Both emotionally and mentally and It is NOT EASY!
Thank goodness most of the time the psychopaths are not violent physically, but with those that are, plenty of women and men have LOST THEIR LIVES because they wouldn’t face the TRUTH emotionally, that they LOGICALLY KNEW.
I hope you know, Witsend that I am being harsh here, but not uncaring. Maybe I am over reacthing, but I TAKE THREATS SERIOUSLY when they come out of the mouth of a psychopath! Even Ps that don’t “verbally threaten” sometimes become violent—Scot Peterson is a good example. Laci got in his way of having what he wanted when she became pregnant, and she had to be eliminated. I don’t think it is a good idea to test out whether or not your son is violent, I think he has already shown that he has thought about it and decided he will do whatever he has to to make you do what HE wants to do and keep you from getting in the WAY of what HE WANTS. I think is is a good idea to BELIEVE HIM. ((((Hugs)))) you are in my prayers continually for your safety! Love, Oxy
Morning, Skylar. I’ve been thinking about the approach of Halloween, and how symbolic it is to have all these little demons, monsters, vampires, etc. knockingon the doors, asking for treats, or they will play nasty tricks on you.
As far as the vampire myth goes, they can’t enter your house without an invitation. I’m not sure if that’s true though since the one who terrorized me, and sucked me dry, just removed the AC unit to come on in. I guess maybe my leaving it there, and not removing it and locking the window,(even though it was summer in Florida) ccould be considered an invitation, and not calling the cops, well, I’m SURE that was!!!
Another interesting thing about the myth….no reflection. These blood suckers can’t see themselves! And get this, they are supposed to sleep in the soil of their homeland!
Yes, I’m quite certain that for most of my life I’ve been V- supply………:)
witsend, to me that means that if you are 6, 16 or any age in between you must attend school. The woman you spoke to did not understand and assumed you are trying to keep your son in school AFTER his 17th birthday.
We both know that at age 6 you must attend school. Therefore we can assume that “between 6 and 16” means to include 6 and 16. If not, then you can sue your state legislature for bad grammar!
I just don’t understand the part about being responsible for the emancipated child’s maintenance. That makes no sense.
Hi witsend, maybe I should start responding on this topic in the other thread where you and Oxy were talking…. see you there.
Skylar, I didn’t mean to offend….sorry. I know these are serious and frustrating issues, I was trying to be funny. My bad. I really only meant that the vampires carry their baggage from childhood with them, wherever they go………..
I was thinking about the whole Halloween vampire thing all day yesterday. Maybe I choose an inoportune time to post it.
I REALLY meant no harm….:).
Morning Kim,
yes, vampire fits them well.
I’m V-supply too. seems like I can’t help wanting to be helpful. There has to be a way to turn this around on them.
After I left him, my xP actually said to me, “do you think I’m a vampire?”
He is determined to make me fear him. That’s why I’m so anxious to ridicule him with my diaper theory, but not until I can see his face… maybe even get it on hidden camera. YEAH, YOUTUBE IT!
I think the only way to get rid of them is to ridicule them out of existence. In “The Art of Selfishness” it says that you cannot talk a man out of doing evil, but if you convince him that he will look stupid, you can talk him out of anything, because no one wants to look foolish.
Oxy,
I have moved my computer into my small bathroom and I’m cramed in here with my fire extinguisher and my two dogs. Opps, I forgot my “homework” paper and pencil. And I’m feeling VERY BOXED IN. Lol…..
Oxy I was “exploring” this information to see if it might be something that would work.
My son isn’t truant because I wake him up a drag him out of bed to go to school. BUT if he were to “MANAGE” his own affairs within a week or so he would likely be truant….
So kind of like Kim is saying above, let him cook his own goose.
However you and I both know that right now I enabel him where school is concerned because I NEED that time. It is my “sanity” time, it allows me to focus on my work (To make some money) and get SOME of it done. When I even can FOCUS on work. That school time is ALL I GOT right now.
He isn’t going to school for the right reasons because he doesn’t participate and God help me at this point I am not sending him for the right reasons either. But in the here and now, it really is my only salvation in a 24 hour day….
Plus I can’t make him DO anything, really. That is obvious. So for some unknown reason (I have wondered many times) once I do get him out of bed he does go to school? Maybe to see his friends? I have no clue. Maybe he doesn’t fully understand the truancy laws anymore than I just did?
After talking to the truancy lady it doesn’t matter because
it is a plan that wouldn’t work.
I am not trying to piss him off (he is pissed off enough) with the emancipation. I can’t emancipate HIM he has to emancipate ME. BEFORE I looked into it I thought that might be an idea to “plant a seed” with him. How he could get RID of ME in his life and be on his own and go off to California, yadda yadda….
BUT that isn’t going to fly either once I explored the laws further online.
So as with my opening “joke” I am feeling pretty boxed in.
I do take his threats and his anger and his control VERY seriously. I don’t want to “live” here with it any more. And I thought that maybe the “reverse” would work. (him getting me out of his life) But emancipation isn’t what I had thought before I looked at it carefully.
Dear ((((Witsend))))
Sigh!!!! I know it is tough, and it does seem you are BOXED in, without a sign of an escape route at this point! the devil on one side and the deep blue sea on the other. I do understand why you get him out to school, and as long as he is willing to go, I think it is a GOOD THING, and as far as enabling him, I don’t think you are, I think you are ENABLING yourself in a GOOD way by acting in a way that gives you the TIME YOU NEED. So TOWANDA!!! for you on that one. I think, for what it is worth, it is a GOOD CHOICE!
I feel kind of BOXED IN MYSELF today—another day of FREAKING GLOOM AND RAINNNNNNNNN!!!!!! UGH!!!!! LOL
kim,
Actually other than school, and me enabling him in that department…..I have pretty much bowed out.
With a kid like this, less is more. In other words requiring him to have a clean room or put dirty dishes in the sink ect…THESE are not the battles you pick. All this kind of stuff that might normally be something you might LIKE to expect of a kid his age falls to the wayside. There is to much crazymaking on a daily basis to even CARE about such trivial stuff.
The few rules I elected to try and enforce, over the summer, and when school started, I couldn’t enforce. Curfew being the major problem then. After school or work he would just go awol.
When I brought up to him about he could easily loose his job if his boss knew his grades that is when he threatened me.
Since then I have done not much of anything. It ain’t worth it.