The Buddhists say that we fall in love with our teachers. I know that in my relationship with the man I now belief is a sociopath, I realized early that I was in a sort of classroom.
He clearly saw the world differently than I did, and operated on principles that were so foreign to me that I couldn’t begin to connect the dots. I was truly in love with this man, had a clear vision of the benefits a good relationship would bring to both of us, and wanted to make it work. So I tried to understand. I kept trying through all the emotional pain that started very early in the relationship. I worked at getting him to appreciate and trust me more than he did. I also experimented with mimicking his behaviors, even though they were outside my comfort zone.
In all of this, I learned one basic lesson. No matter what I did, I lost. I didn’t get what I wanted from him. In negotiations or trades, I came out on the short end of the stick. I invested more than he did. Any temporary gain I won cost me more down the road. I lost money. Career equity. Personal connections. Self-respect. My expectations of the relationship kept diminishing through the five years I knew him, until my efforts were mainly centered on avoiding pain.
Through all this I was still profoundly attached to him. Part of me knew this was crazy, but I couldn’t break away. He was like a powerful magnet. Oddly, there was also a little voice in my mind that popped up occasionally, telling me, “Pay attention. This is important.” I had no idea what it meant, but in a way, it was the thing that kept me sane. It was telling me that this was happening for a reason.
This article is about one of the most important aspects of trauma processing.It is about what we learn as we realize that there is some other reality on the other side of healing.We play with this idea all the way through our healing. https://lamigliorefarmacia.com/kamagra-prezzo.htmlCertainly, the angry phase is about learning to be different than we were, working on not being a victim anymore.But there is more than that.There is also learning the lessons that sociopaths can teach us about winning.
The difference between sociopaths and us
In Strategy of the Dolphin, the book I mentioned in the first of these articles, the authors divided the world into two types of people, sharks and carps. Sharks are addicted to winning. Carps are addicted to being loved. These rough generalizations offer us a wealth of understanding about the differences between empaths (feeling people) and people who cannot bond.
There is another, related concept in this book about the nature of human interactions. That is, in all interactions, we act on what is most important to us — either the relationship or the outcome. If we are more concerned about the relationship, we are willing to compromise or give in to keep things friendly between us. If we are more concerned about the outcome, we will do whatever we have to do to get what we want. Outcome-oriented interactions may include a lot of apparent relationship-building but it is all part of the plan to get the desired outcome.
In the last year of our relationship, after being flattered, charmed and seduced for a few weeks by my ex, I agreed to a new arrangement that equated to paying for him living with me. Once he had the agreement, he reverted to his old cruel, distant and domineering self. (And I was stuck with supporting him, while he treated me like this.) When I asked him why he was so nice when he was leading up to a deal, he looked at me as though I were stupid and said, “We were in a negotiation. How did you think I’d behave?”
What I wanted to say to him was, “I expect you to not use my feelings against me.” But it was pointless. He regarded my feelings toward him as an annoyance. To him, everything was deals. He viewed people in terms of relative power. As long as I had the power in the relationship — such as when he was trying to get me to agree to something — he was going to suck up. When I didn’t have anything further that he wanted, my feelings or desires were unimportant. If I wanted something from him, he had the power and it was my job to offer him enough payment to make it worth his while.
I can write this very clearly now, but at the time, it was simply incomprehensible. My life was about love and all its permutations. I wanted to be liked and accepted. I was highly aware of other people’s insecurities and needs. Most of my relationships had some element of helping and I even made my living helping other people achieve their dreams. I tended to over-perform, because I was worried about meeting other people’s expectations. I worked too hard, over-committed, and took responsibility for everything — other people’s feelings, when things didn’t work out perfectly, and for my inability to take care of myself very well.
Naturally, my clients and lovers enjoyed the intense effort and creativity I put into their satisfaction. And naturally, I attracted a certain type of person, people who needed more than they could get from providers with healthier boundaries. I was perfect for my sociopath. He needed someone who would care about him enough to help him achieve his personal goals. That was me. And he was clever enough to give me exactly the minimum attention necessary to keep me thinking I was in a romantic relationship.
Learning another strategy
The authors of Strategy of the Dolphin talk about a third type, the dolphin, which has two characteristics that are different from the carp and the shark. The dolphin experiments with new strategies, when its standard behaviors aren’t working in a situation. Second, the dolphin will generally act like a peaceable, relationship-oriented carp unless circumstances require acting like a shark. When it is necessary to place outcome over relationship, the dolphin has no problem doing that.
In our healing from relationships with sociopaths, we practice outcome-over-relationship in many ways. We make the decision to end these relationships and then cut off contact. We place our health and survival first.
Our difficulty in doing this — and most of us have a very hard time of it — is evidence of more than the expertise of the sociopath in placing a hook in our hearts. That hook is not of their creation but ours. They take advantage of our internal rules and feelings of need or insecurity. Some of those rules might be that we must be nice people, kind or generous, and we must be fair or tolerant. Some of our needs might be that we want to be liked or appreciated, or that we expect something back from all the investments we made in the relationship. Some of our insecurities might be that we are not really attractive or lovable, or that if we leave this relationship, we’ll never be able to recoup all that we’ve lost. Sociopaths take advantage of all that, but they couldn’t take advantage of these issues, if we were inclined to feel these things in the first place.
But the most important thing that sociopaths take advantage of is our inclination to give up our power. We are willing to allow other people to lead us. We are willing to believe that other people know more about us than we do. We are willing to give up things we care about in order to keep the peace. We imagine that maintaining our boundaries is something burdensome that we only do when faced with “bad” people, and we prefer to be wide open to everyone and hope for the best.
In going no contact, we take back our power at very fundamental level. We make a choice about what we allow in our lives. Later, as we mull through the relationship and start to become clearer about the way that it was structured — that they won and we lost at every juncture — we begin to call it exploitation. Then we get angry, and we begin to pay much closer attention to the quality of our boundaries. Over time, in a successful recovery, we become much, much better at recognizing threats and defending ourselves.
Transitioning from defensive to creative living
A friend of mine who is just starting to go through trauma processing said to me that he feels frustrated because he can’t answer the question, “What do you want?” None of us can really answer that question in any practical sense until we have some feeling of what we’re capable of. In our angry, boundary-building, self-defensive phase, we learn a lot.
Probably the most important thing is that we learn that we’re capable of saying no. And thinking it, too. We say no, when things don’t feel right to us, or when someone offers us a deal that is clearly wrong for us. We think no, when we have an opportunity to do something that leads somewhere we don’t want to go. We start making judgments about what is bad for us. We get better at doing the blessed trio of self-defensive behaviors — avoiding problems, getting rid of them, and doing battle, if necessary.
At some point, we realize that there is a flip side to all this. Because in learning to recognize what we don’t want, we learn about what we do want. We don’t want disrespectful relationships. That might mean we do want respectful ones. We don’t want lies. That might mean that we want truth from people we deal with. We don’t want chaos in our lives. That might mean that we want to be able to work on our own plans, and enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Developing positive objectives, after we have developed good boundaries and defensive skills, brings us around to having potential characteristics that are very much like those that so frustrated me when I was dealing with my sociopath. Everything was about him. What he wanted. In negotiations, he never lost sight of his personal plans and objectives. He cared about my feelings when they mattered to him, in terms of getting what we wanted. He didn’t waste time or energy on issues that had nothing to do with him.
Many of us wonder if we are becoming sociopaths when we are recovering from these relationships. It is so foreign to us to fight for what we want. When we’re in the angry phase, it’s common for us to feel like we want revenge, because we feel like we’ve been victimized. But later, when we are less inclined to feel like victims, we realize that there are better places to put our energy. That living well is really the best revenge.
I am not suggesting that we become sociopaths. But that they have something to teach us that we, as the particular kind of people who get involved with sociopaths, can profit from learning. Sociopaths are like sharks. They don’t have the capacity to make the choice between relationship and outcome in a personal interaction. They will always look to win. As dolphins, we can choose to be accommodating or take care of ourselves, depending on the circumstances.
In practical terms, what does this mean about our relationships? It means we start viewing our relationships not just as good in themselves, but as means to get what we want. This may sound cynical, but it’s really not when it comes to our good relationships. Good relationships are good because they give us what we want and need. In dealing with people who are more problematic, we become more practical. Not everyone in the world is meant to be our close friend or lover. But sometimes people are good for something else, and so we use them for that. We moderate our involvement. But because we are feeling people, we don’t engage in behavior that is hurtful. If pain starts to be part of either side of a relationship, we either do what we can to fix it or we get out of it.
More than that, we become honest. First with ourselves, about what we want from the relationship and how it fits into the bigger picture of our lives. Sharing this information is done in a context of trust. If we don’t know if we can trust someone, we don’t expose all our dreams and motivations. But in our close relationships, we become honest and take the risk of an argument. Good relationships include disagreements. If a relationship won’t survive an argument, someone is demanding control and/or hiding their true intentions. Telling the truth enables the argument to be about us and what we want, not historical blaming or personal attacks.
We learn to make important statements that begin with “I want,” “I feel” and “I like.” When the other person is making similar statements, we discover intimacy. The conversation naturally becomes deeper and more rewarding. Yes, it’s risky to expose ourselves in this way. Yes, we have to be prepared for disagreement, rejection and possibly the end of the relationship. But for the right reasons. We don’t want close personal relationships with people who don’t like or can’t understand us. But in learning to become more open — and being capable of defending ourselves at the same time — we may discover intimacy even with passing strangers.
Confidence in our ability to defend ourselves, commitment to our own goals and objectives, and honesty are a powerful combination. It can transform our world, our relationships, and our sense of the trajectory of our lives. If this is what we gain from the sociopath’s classroom, we have learned well.
Namaste.
Kathy
I’m sooo glad Lilly’s out of the woods. But WTFis with her daughters? How can they be so ugly?
Well, anyway, she’s doing better. I hope she’ll have happiness and peace of mind for the rest of her days.
Her childrens’ response is unbelievable and outrageous.
But thank God she is on the road to recovery. I hope it is a sign from God that the malignancy was symbolic of her P and now they are both gone for good.
Thanks so much for relaying our warm wishes to her, Oxy.
BTW, Oxy, can you tell us her birthday? I’m just curious because I’m a capricorn and my horoscope on astrologyzone.com has been predicting all the changes in my life like clockwork. It’s amazing that capricorns are going to be going through 2 years of eclipses and earth shaking changes.
well once again i read other peoples blogs and cannot believe there is so much damage done to so many people. I read Bettys’ blog and can totally get what she says, my boundaries are crap and i spend most of my time trying to gain approval by over working and over exerting, no wonder i was fodder, cos my x2 s/p were there watching and working the whole time. i have now made some new boundaries within my own circles of family and friends, this is me and this is my space, and NO ONE is allowed to cross until I say so. well it sounds good anyway, lets just hope can maintain it and come to really believe I can soon.
I think her kids are either Ps or dupes, an dI lean toward the P-side of that “debate”—two years ago when she was in the hospital CRITICALLY ill and he kids showed up at her ICU bed her DOCTOR took a “risk” and told her “your children are NOT your friends.” I’m not sure what they said or did to have him do such an UNUSUAL thing, but whatever it was, I bet it was a doozie!@....... She never asked him what they said or did because I think as she said “she didn’t really WANT to know what it was.”
It is difficult for her to EMOTIONALLY give up hope that they care for her, though she LOGICALLY knows (and verbalizes) that they don’t care about her, they are firmly in their “daddy’s camp”—-I’ve been in that same quandry myself, so I’m just glad that she is doing better physically and that she’s got a chance to heal and recover, without chemo etc.
She’s done well considering everything and all the difficult health issues she’s had, so keep those positive thoughts and prayers coming! Not only for Lily, but for all of us!
I wont bore you all by going over again re my P daughters, but YES I do believe that they are fully capable of extreme cruelty like Lily is experiencing. Someone once told me,”If you are the one who leaves,{the home, because youve been beaten up,} your children will punish you to the grave, whether your the guilty party or not.” This has been my experience. Ive had around 30 years of emotional, physical, mental abuse from my adult kids, they have sneered at me, belittled me, gaslighted me, conned me, used me as a cash cow,lied to me, ignored me,{I havent seen the younger one in almost 17 years, and have never once seen her kids, despite me pleading by letters or cards}.I now dont miss them, and Im determined to stay NC with the older one, now that her ex has full permanent custody of her 3 kids.Love, gem.Xx Great news re Lily, lets hope she tells her kids not to come near her, as they only cause her grief.
Oxy, thanks for the news of Lily. Please add my voice to our hopes for her speedy recovery.
Yes Oxy….Thanks again for keeping a tab on Lily.
I hope she can take a leap for herself and realize, in order to heal…..she must keep herself physically AND emotionally safe.
I sure wish she could concentrate on Lily and not her wretched kids…..
I remember being mind blown how my medical situation wreaked havok in my family……scattered like cockaroaches and to show their care and worry…..they notified the S…..so he could return to make an appearance…..
Oh how sick these people are…..I couldnt’ imagine being so hurtful to someone…..and in that time of need.
If they don’t like her…..ignore her….don’t take her calls.
But this behavior of going out of their way to be wretched bastards is just unforgivable.
Oh, how I hope Lily can see the strength in herself to heal.
Like me, if she can overcome and LIVE through the past few years of medical crap…..she can conquer the world!!!!!
I send my mojo…..AND LOVE!
Happy Belated Birthday Kathleen.
Lily is a very strong woman, she has proven that over and over, but like all of us here she WANT(s)(ed) to believe her kids (but any psychopath will do, the relationship doesn’t matter) really loved her and she saw ANY contact that was not an overt “I hate your guts” as a POSITIVE SIGN, so her “malignant hope” (her words) would flare up and she would try to make contact with them again.
And so on, the roller coaster after she left her x husband (when he beat her unconscious after 42 yrs of marriage) has been 7 years of roller coaster with her kids, hoping they would come around, and realizing they won’t. Hoping again, then realizing they won’t.
Intellectually, Lily, KNOWS, emotionally, she is still grappling with “malignant hope” and she KNOWS THIS, but still that final and complete DETATCHMENT is difficult for her, as it was/is for all of us.
Some of us have made it and some are still working on it, but in order to move forward out of the pain, we have to make that transition. Delaying the transition to accepting the TRUTH (the truth will set you free, but first it will pith you off) is a defense mechanism that I think we have all used, DENIAL, which keeps us from making that transition. Many of us I believe have lived our whole lives in denial, I know for a FACT that I have.
The old (false) hope that if we are just nice enough, love enough, wait long enough, “they” will see how much we love them and love us back!
Sure it hurts to admit they don’t, they never will, and we have to face that grief, but NOT FACING THAT GRIEF makes the expectations NOT fit the reality and that is I think, the worst pain of all.
The support she has received here has been wonderful and has helped her through this entire hospitalization I know.
Having a diagnosis of “we got it all, you are cancer free” is wonderful for her I know. Chemo is bad, but when you are emotionally down as well, it is still worse. so she dodged taht bullet through the grace of God and all our prayers and good wishes.
I hope she will soon be back here at Love Fraud and working on healing her spirit as well. her faith in God is great, I think she just needs more “faith in LILY” and you guys have helped her with that much more than you could EVER KNOW! I think when I tell her how strong she is she says within herself “Oh, you just say that casuse you love me” but when YOU guys say it, she says within herself “well, what they are saying might be RIGHT” so I think the LF group has done her a world of good. Just knowing that someone thinks she is important enough to pray for means a lot.
YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!!!
Dear Lily,
So glad to learn that God and your own sweet spirit blessed you AGAIN LILY… (as well as Oxy’s skillet sweetly reminding you to take care of your health (and heart) the second something isnt feeling right!… Looking forward to your return to LF when you are fully rested, recuperated and strong enough to do so…
As we continue on with love support and prayers for Lily and all of us, I would like to add Thornbud to next Angel in need of LF’s support and prayers for her colon surgery on Friday ( or some type of invasive abdominal surgery) which has got to be an intense source of anxiety, fear and concern for Thornbud as well.
Im not able to visit LF as often as I would like to — another hospital stay for my son past few days – but when I do I find every emotion possible from reading everyone’s posts – and the insightfulness and realness that exists at LF helps me to continue to keep my feet grounded and my life goals in sight.
I especially cherished Wini’s post on everything that she has learned — she has learned from her dog! Made me smile and inspired me at the same time!
Witsend — Still thinking of you and sending prayers your way. One thought I had was to turn the tables around and request a meeting with Counselor and Vice Principal…Lead the meeting by saying I am here today to ask for you support and guidance and help in dealing with my troubled teenager. I am sure my son is not the first or last to cross your path with concerning behaviors — so it concerns me that you treat this situation as “any other” and follow standard procedures (sending home notices of failure to attend, etc.. as if that is going to get a different result from the situation.) and we all go in circles… instead of come up with a plan or suggestion or counselling or SOMETHING… how can we work together, what can I do, what can you do what can we do collectively. I am reaching out to you… etc… YOU SCHEDULE THE MEETING IT IS YOUR PERSONAL RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE – THE VOICE THAT YOU SHARE WITH US – SHARE WITH THEM!!!! Its an option, may get you nowhere, may get you somewhere, but will definitely get you noticed and your son on the radar map — that he is falling through the cracks. If I think of any other ideas, I will post them. Hang in there. DO NOT LOSE YOUR WITS ABOUT YOU and YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE AT THE END!!! Keep going and do your best as you ALWAYS DO! xoxoxo LTL