The Buddhists say that we fall in love with our teachers. I know that in my relationship with the man I now belief is a sociopath, I realized early that I was in a sort of classroom.
He clearly saw the world differently than I did, and operated on principles that were so foreign to me that I couldn’t begin to connect the dots. I was truly in love with this man, had a clear vision of the benefits a good relationship would bring to both of us, and wanted to make it work. So I tried to understand. I kept trying through all the emotional pain that started very early in the relationship. I worked at getting him to appreciate and trust me more than he did. I also experimented with mimicking his behaviors, even though they were outside my comfort zone.
In all of this, I learned one basic lesson. No matter what I did, I lost. I didn’t get what I wanted from him. In negotiations or trades, I came out on the short end of the stick. I invested more than he did. Any temporary gain I won cost me more down the road. I lost money. Career equity. Personal connections. Self-respect. My expectations of the relationship kept diminishing through the five years I knew him, until my efforts were mainly centered on avoiding pain.
Through all this I was still profoundly attached to him. Part of me knew this was crazy, but I couldn’t break away. He was like a powerful magnet. Oddly, there was also a little voice in my mind that popped up occasionally, telling me, “Pay attention. This is important.” I had no idea what it meant, but in a way, it was the thing that kept me sane. It was telling me that this was happening for a reason.
This article is about one of the most important aspects of trauma processing.It is about what we learn as we realize that there is some other reality on the other side of healing.We play with this idea all the way through our healing. https://lamigliorefarmacia.com/kamagra-prezzo.htmlCertainly, the angry phase is about learning to be different than we were, working on not being a victim anymore.But there is more than that.There is also learning the lessons that sociopaths can teach us about winning.
The difference between sociopaths and us
In Strategy of the Dolphin, the book I mentioned in the first of these articles, the authors divided the world into two types of people, sharks and carps. Sharks are addicted to winning. Carps are addicted to being loved. These rough generalizations offer us a wealth of understanding about the differences between empaths (feeling people) and people who cannot bond.
There is another, related concept in this book about the nature of human interactions. That is, in all interactions, we act on what is most important to us — either the relationship or the outcome. If we are more concerned about the relationship, we are willing to compromise or give in to keep things friendly between us. If we are more concerned about the outcome, we will do whatever we have to do to get what we want. Outcome-oriented interactions may include a lot of apparent relationship-building but it is all part of the plan to get the desired outcome.
In the last year of our relationship, after being flattered, charmed and seduced for a few weeks by my ex, I agreed to a new arrangement that equated to paying for him living with me. Once he had the agreement, he reverted to his old cruel, distant and domineering self. (And I was stuck with supporting him, while he treated me like this.) When I asked him why he was so nice when he was leading up to a deal, he looked at me as though I were stupid and said, “We were in a negotiation. How did you think I’d behave?”
What I wanted to say to him was, “I expect you to not use my feelings against me.” But it was pointless. He regarded my feelings toward him as an annoyance. To him, everything was deals. He viewed people in terms of relative power. As long as I had the power in the relationship — such as when he was trying to get me to agree to something — he was going to suck up. When I didn’t have anything further that he wanted, my feelings or desires were unimportant. If I wanted something from him, he had the power and it was my job to offer him enough payment to make it worth his while.
I can write this very clearly now, but at the time, it was simply incomprehensible. My life was about love and all its permutations. I wanted to be liked and accepted. I was highly aware of other people’s insecurities and needs. Most of my relationships had some element of helping and I even made my living helping other people achieve their dreams. I tended to over-perform, because I was worried about meeting other people’s expectations. I worked too hard, over-committed, and took responsibility for everything — other people’s feelings, when things didn’t work out perfectly, and for my inability to take care of myself very well.
Naturally, my clients and lovers enjoyed the intense effort and creativity I put into their satisfaction. And naturally, I attracted a certain type of person, people who needed more than they could get from providers with healthier boundaries. I was perfect for my sociopath. He needed someone who would care about him enough to help him achieve his personal goals. That was me. And he was clever enough to give me exactly the minimum attention necessary to keep me thinking I was in a romantic relationship.
Learning another strategy
The authors of Strategy of the Dolphin talk about a third type, the dolphin, which has two characteristics that are different from the carp and the shark. The dolphin experiments with new strategies, when its standard behaviors aren’t working in a situation. Second, the dolphin will generally act like a peaceable, relationship-oriented carp unless circumstances require acting like a shark. When it is necessary to place outcome over relationship, the dolphin has no problem doing that.
In our healing from relationships with sociopaths, we practice outcome-over-relationship in many ways. We make the decision to end these relationships and then cut off contact. We place our health and survival first.
Our difficulty in doing this — and most of us have a very hard time of it — is evidence of more than the expertise of the sociopath in placing a hook in our hearts. That hook is not of their creation but ours. They take advantage of our internal rules and feelings of need or insecurity. Some of those rules might be that we must be nice people, kind or generous, and we must be fair or tolerant. Some of our needs might be that we want to be liked or appreciated, or that we expect something back from all the investments we made in the relationship. Some of our insecurities might be that we are not really attractive or lovable, or that if we leave this relationship, we’ll never be able to recoup all that we’ve lost. Sociopaths take advantage of all that, but they couldn’t take advantage of these issues, if we were inclined to feel these things in the first place.
But the most important thing that sociopaths take advantage of is our inclination to give up our power. We are willing to allow other people to lead us. We are willing to believe that other people know more about us than we do. We are willing to give up things we care about in order to keep the peace. We imagine that maintaining our boundaries is something burdensome that we only do when faced with “bad” people, and we prefer to be wide open to everyone and hope for the best.
In going no contact, we take back our power at very fundamental level. We make a choice about what we allow in our lives. Later, as we mull through the relationship and start to become clearer about the way that it was structured — that they won and we lost at every juncture — we begin to call it exploitation. Then we get angry, and we begin to pay much closer attention to the quality of our boundaries. Over time, in a successful recovery, we become much, much better at recognizing threats and defending ourselves.
Transitioning from defensive to creative living
A friend of mine who is just starting to go through trauma processing said to me that he feels frustrated because he can’t answer the question, “What do you want?” None of us can really answer that question in any practical sense until we have some feeling of what we’re capable of. In our angry, boundary-building, self-defensive phase, we learn a lot.
Probably the most important thing is that we learn that we’re capable of saying no. And thinking it, too. We say no, when things don’t feel right to us, or when someone offers us a deal that is clearly wrong for us. We think no, when we have an opportunity to do something that leads somewhere we don’t want to go. We start making judgments about what is bad for us. We get better at doing the blessed trio of self-defensive behaviors — avoiding problems, getting rid of them, and doing battle, if necessary.
At some point, we realize that there is a flip side to all this. Because in learning to recognize what we don’t want, we learn about what we do want. We don’t want disrespectful relationships. That might mean we do want respectful ones. We don’t want lies. That might mean that we want truth from people we deal with. We don’t want chaos in our lives. That might mean that we want to be able to work on our own plans, and enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Developing positive objectives, after we have developed good boundaries and defensive skills, brings us around to having potential characteristics that are very much like those that so frustrated me when I was dealing with my sociopath. Everything was about him. What he wanted. In negotiations, he never lost sight of his personal plans and objectives. He cared about my feelings when they mattered to him, in terms of getting what we wanted. He didn’t waste time or energy on issues that had nothing to do with him.
Many of us wonder if we are becoming sociopaths when we are recovering from these relationships. It is so foreign to us to fight for what we want. When we’re in the angry phase, it’s common for us to feel like we want revenge, because we feel like we’ve been victimized. But later, when we are less inclined to feel like victims, we realize that there are better places to put our energy. That living well is really the best revenge.
I am not suggesting that we become sociopaths. But that they have something to teach us that we, as the particular kind of people who get involved with sociopaths, can profit from learning. Sociopaths are like sharks. They don’t have the capacity to make the choice between relationship and outcome in a personal interaction. They will always look to win. As dolphins, we can choose to be accommodating or take care of ourselves, depending on the circumstances.
In practical terms, what does this mean about our relationships? It means we start viewing our relationships not just as good in themselves, but as means to get what we want. This may sound cynical, but it’s really not when it comes to our good relationships. Good relationships are good because they give us what we want and need. In dealing with people who are more problematic, we become more practical. Not everyone in the world is meant to be our close friend or lover. But sometimes people are good for something else, and so we use them for that. We moderate our involvement. But because we are feeling people, we don’t engage in behavior that is hurtful. If pain starts to be part of either side of a relationship, we either do what we can to fix it or we get out of it.
More than that, we become honest. First with ourselves, about what we want from the relationship and how it fits into the bigger picture of our lives. Sharing this information is done in a context of trust. If we don’t know if we can trust someone, we don’t expose all our dreams and motivations. But in our close relationships, we become honest and take the risk of an argument. Good relationships include disagreements. If a relationship won’t survive an argument, someone is demanding control and/or hiding their true intentions. Telling the truth enables the argument to be about us and what we want, not historical blaming or personal attacks.
We learn to make important statements that begin with “I want,” “I feel” and “I like.” When the other person is making similar statements, we discover intimacy. The conversation naturally becomes deeper and more rewarding. Yes, it’s risky to expose ourselves in this way. Yes, we have to be prepared for disagreement, rejection and possibly the end of the relationship. But for the right reasons. We don’t want close personal relationships with people who don’t like or can’t understand us. But in learning to become more open — and being capable of defending ourselves at the same time — we may discover intimacy even with passing strangers.
Confidence in our ability to defend ourselves, commitment to our own goals and objectives, and honesty are a powerful combination. It can transform our world, our relationships, and our sense of the trajectory of our lives. If this is what we gain from the sociopath’s classroom, we have learned well.
Namaste.
Kathy
I’ve been taking a 10 month course called Awakening Joy. The focus is on the kind of joy that stays with you through good and bad times — doesn’t mean you’re tickled pink all the time, but you have peace and the ability to find positives as well as negatives. The notion is that people with deep abiding happiness have several characteristics in common, and one of them, as Kathleen discussed, is the ability to do what the course I’m taking calls “re-casting” — taking an awful even or part of one’s life and infusing it with meaning so that you literally grow through it, and eventually, past it. Well, WOW!
What would my life have been like without the n/p who sent it spinning? I don’t know — I won’t ever know. But I decided to do the two parts of recasting: grieve the loss fully (grief is hard but very necessary work (thanks to Oxy for her recent wonderful two-part article on the process), and then the second part of the process of recasting is to infuse meaning. OH, MOMMA! I thought, HOW do I do that?
Then of course I realized: I am moving from a life-long pattern of being stuck in victimhood into the knowledge and understanding of being at peace with myself, which has produced something I never thought to have: confidence in myself that comes from the inside out! I am awake, present in the moment — not waiting for someone else to “make me happy.” Well, hurrah!
Would I fall into the net of another narcissist now? There’s no guarantee, but I no longer feel desperate for the company of another — I am not looking for my spirit’s happiness from outside sources, and I pay attention to red flags, and take care of myself. I believe I’d run sooner, or even just not engage from the onset. I wouldn’t accept anybody telling me that they were the only one who could make me happy — because I KNOW now that the only one who can do that is me!
So yes, most times on most days — I believe that the misery I went through to get to this place has meaning. I see my newly awakened spirit as victorious where it matters.
I didn’t know I could feel joy until this year. Growing up in an alcoholic home, I thought happiness was just the absence of misery — and it isn’t! There is so much more! I get that every time I read here: people get leveled, and they find their way — and somehow in the midst of that, especially in the support that’s here at Lovefraud, they begin to meet themselves and experience healing connections. I know I did.
In Hindu folklore, there’s something called the Indra’s Jeweled Net. The metaphor dates back to several hundred years B.C. So you’ve got this giant net and at each juncture there’s a jewel — and each jewel reflects the other. Each one is intrinsically, intimately connected with the others. To change one is to change them all. Every jewel represents an individual life form: atoms to people; specks to spirits. We connect more than we know.
As Kathy said, our healing extends beyond us. Isn’t that something? I know as I have become more gentle with myself, I have become more gentle with others. As I have practiced acceptance and truth with myself, I have required it from others, as well as extended it to them. And these days, like now reading that Lilly is doing great even in spite of her kids and all the hurt that must mean — I’m so grateful that we get to know her and I’m delighted at her victory. Her courage, tenacity, and grace under fire have encouraged me in so many ways.
Kathy,
thank you for your love. I know your words are sincere because I also feel immense love for the kind people on LF.
I know I’m growing and I’m so grateful for that, but it seems more intellectual than internalized. I’ll copy and paste your words in a separate file and read them each morning until they are my own internal voice. “a courageous person with the gift of indomitable hope”
Persophone,
Thanks for that nice assessment of me, “strong and interesting and inquiring,” I am cutting and pasting those words too. These are also words my parents should have said to me, but never would. A complement might go to my head. They had to make sure I never thought I was better than they are. I now realize that my mom’s constant “worrying” was not that at all – it was GASLIGHTING. Both were strategies to keep control, so I could never fly away with out a string attached to draw me back. My xP did the EXACT same thing. I did notice it but I equated it with LOVE. “Oh look how much he wants to keep me that he trys everything to control me. It must be love!”
I know that I am how you describe me, but I have a different, vulnerable, scared, confused, side too and it seems to be dominating my actions right now. I didn’t realize that my post came across as so “needy”. I was just trying to be honest with myself (like Stargazer is) and it seems that the pain I was feeling came through.
They programmed me with feelings that I’m not valuable unless I’m doing something for others, but not for pay and also feelings that I need to worry about life being so hard because I won’t be capable enough to take care of myself.
Basically, don’t value yourself and don’t trust the universe. I know these things aren’t true, but I want to FEEL that they aren’t true, as well. It would liberate me to actually use all the potential in me. I would have Value and Valor. I think if I value myself, then I CAN trust the universe. At least, I want to find out.
What a gift the xP has given me: the impulse to grow and a place to do it safely, LF.
gem, what a sad story, so sorry to hear your mom screamed at you like that when you were 4 years old, your writing is so descriptive, I could just picture you as a little child walking to the village and getting on the bus. The countryside sounds so beautiful, and you so sad, made my heart hurt for you. I really liked the part at the end where you reassured the little girl inside you that she is safe.
Betty, a very inspiring post you wrote, the class you are taking sounds wonderful, I am trying to see the lessons in what has happened to me over the years… or rather… what I let happen to me because I didn’t place myself first. It’s a daily battle for me to “stay in the moment” but I try. I hope to reach that place where I don’t feel desperate for another’s company. It is very helpful to read what you have done to help yourself.
Geminigirl,
I don’t even know how you can forgive that. You must be much further along in healing than I am.
My P-parents’ abuse was subtle and it feels unforgivable at this point.
Betty, I agree, despite the pain, we are learning so much and getting so much back.
SC, OK, good analogy. It does feel like a scab that needs to be picked off!
Dear Betty: I am so glad lfor you and proud OF you! You have come soooo very far, and isn’t it wonderful!!!!!! TOWANDA for you!!!
Dear Skylar,
the forgiveness is not “okaying” what they did, it is simply getting the bitterness out of our hearts toward them, it is FOR US, not them. It does NOT mean we have to agree with what they did, we can condemn it for all it is worth, but just not be bitter about it. It happened, it was bad, but it is OVER.
That was what allowed me to continue on, because that bitterness was EATING ME, not them. They had no guilt or shame. I no longer bear their guilt, or their shame in the form of bitterness.
What they did was UNacceptable in civilized society, but it is theirs NOT mine, and I won’t allow them to influence my feelings. THEY DO NOT DESERVE that influence over my life. I am TALING BACK MY POWER to heal and be WHOLE no matter what they did to me.
Read Dr. Viktor Frankl’s book “Man’s Search for Meaning” it is a CLASSIC and it will show you the way!!!! If he can do it (he spent years in a Nazi prison camp in WWII) If he can do it, SO CAN I!!!!! So can you! It will free you to let go of the bitterness, I promise you! ((((hugs))))
Oxy, that sounds like a great book. I’m putting it on my reading list right now.
My question to geminigirl was because she mentioned that her mom visited her in australia many years later. I feel like, I would have gone NC with her, rather than visit with her. I understand that you have forgiven your egg-donor, but you also went NC. Geminigirl actually kept an open relationship!
My abuse by my parents would not have surfaced if it weren’t for the P. They did several things which contributed to my life with him.
1) abused and devalued me so I couldn’t tell when I WAS being abused and devalued.
2) didn’t tell me that they overheard him SAY he was only interested in me for my money – 25 YEARS AGO.
3) made my life miserable everytime I left the P, so I always ended up going back to him for comfort.
It’s so bizarre, I can’t even talk about it.
Dear Skylar,
That book was a turning point for me spiritually and in my healing. I was reading it and I kept saying to myself “How can anyone who suffered so much ‘forgive’? Then he gave me the answer, cause I was feeling like after someone like him suffered so much MORE than I did, that I should be ashamed of myself for feeling such a victim and in so much pain (compared to him) but he answered it totally.
He said pain acts like a gas. If you put a little gas into a container it expands and fills the contaner completely, if you put a lot of gas into the same container, it compresses and fills the container completely. So pain (whatever caused it, big or little compared to others) is TOTAL PAIN. Like if you smash your big toe your whole body is FILLED with pain, or if you smash your whole leg, your WHOLE BODY is filled with pain.
Where Jesus said if one member of the body suffers the whole body suffers, and that is so true, just another way of putting it.
Also Jesus said if a part of our body, a hand, eye, foot, etc. “offends” us (makes us miserable or is sick) CUT IT OFF because it is better to be one-handed, or one legged than to DIE. When we cut off our “parents” because they are malignant we are doign just that, when we cut off our child which is malignant it is the same. We are cutting the ROTTEN part of ourselves off, getting rid of it so it does not contaminate our entire being.
Lily had the cancer cut out of her bowel, now she can live. If she had not had the operation, it would have killed her. It was painful (still is I imagine) but she did what she had to do physically to rid her body of the cancer. WE just have to rid our lives of the cancerous people that are killing us, killing our spirits and our lives. NC FOREVER!!!!! GEt them out of our bodies and our minds and our lives. Sure, it hurts, I am sure she could be upset with her bowel forever and dwell on what a rotten bowel she had to get cancerous and make her have to have a painful surgery, but I bet she is just glad it is over and she has that cancer out of her life!!!
I am glad the canderous people are out of mine! TOWANDA!!!!
Skylar,
you asked how I can forgive my Mum,-well, I was only 4 years old. and didnt know any better. Even then, I kind of knew she couldnt help it, she was sad and upset. I always felt, my whole childhood, that if she was unhappy, it was somehow MY FAULT and that it was my job to try to keep her happy. She was so beautiful she looked a bit like Greta Garbo. I never, ever felt I could ever be as beautiful as her.
Looking back,I was a prime target for narcs and sociopaths when I grew up. Love, Gem.XX
Geminigirl,
I don’t mean how you could forgive her then, I wonder how you could forgive her once you knew.
I’ve always known that my parents treated us unfairly, but I automatically forgave them for being human, just like anyone else.
But now I’m seeing a different reason for their behavior. Narcissism and all the defiinitions of it: envy, selfishness, control. Now I AM mad and not in a forgiving mood. I might forgive them one day, but I really think I can only do that once I go NC with them.
I guess, in your case, you don’t see narcissism as the cause of her behavior, so you forgave her human flaws.