This is the eighth article in this series about the recovery path, and it is about the second half of the path. This is after we have fully accessed our anger, and begun to grieve our losses and let go. This article may not necessarily be helpful to someone who is still reeling from betrayal and loss, or even someone who is still exploring righteous anger. However, it is part of this series because a growing number of people on LoveFraud are considering the influence of their histories on their relationships, as part of healing themselves and their lives. Please, take what is valuable to you, but if this one doesn’t make sense or, God forbid, makes you feel like you’re being blamed, it just means that you’re at another healing stage. Which is good. Every stage is necessary and good. Be where you are, love yourself and heal. That’s all that matters. — Kathy
In recovering from a trauma or extended trauma like a sociopathic relationship, we often discover that what we lost isn’t what we first thought it was. In fact, our very resistance to letting go — the thing that often keeps us stuck in anger or even bargaining or denial — isn’t exactly what we thought it was.
The traumatic recovery process, if we have the courage to see it through, turns out to be very different from the “he done me wrong” drama it first appeared to be. It’s not about unrequited love. It’s not about us not being good enough or smart enough. It’s really not about anything that is between us and our sociopathic opposite number.
It is really about us waking from a dream.
What is real?
An old friend talked to me recently about feeling so disoriented that she had difficulty finding her way out of her hometown airport. She was returning from her third trip to visit a man in another city. Based on phone conversations with him, she had become convinced that he loved her, wanted a future with her, and accepted her as she was. When she arrived, she discovered that what he wanted was “friends with benefits.” And by the way, would she please invest in his condo because he was having trouble making the payments?
As on the previous trips, he was cold, critical and exploitive, expecting her to pay for staying with him and pay for everything they did together. Knowing that he had less money than her, she did that willingly. She would have given the five-figure investment in the condo, except that her money was tied up in a trust. The one thing she could not do was casual sex, and she could not understand how or why he did not remember that this was a baseline truth with her. If she was in a sexual relationship, it had to be serious and committed. Of course, they had sex before his idea about “friends with benefits” became clear, leaving her feeling used and ashamed.
After the other trips, she had felt wounded and depressed. Half angry at him, half wondering what she had done wrong. This time was different. She finally understood that she had been deluded, and it didn’t matter if he had misled her or she had misled herself. She contacted me to ask me what to do about the feeling of disorientation. She didn’t know how she could have been so mistaken, and she didn’t know what was real anymore.
“I want my old self back,” she said. Then she thought a moment, and said. “No, I don’t. Not if it’s the old self that keeps doing this over and over.”
The broken part
My friend is not stupid, though she has a history of relationships with exploitive people. Listening to her talk about how ashamed she felt about the love letters she had written and her feeling that she was too stupid to live, I could almost see the broken cog in the machinery of her psyche.
With her, as with many of us, this broken part is not really about the exploitive people who take advantage of it. We feel like these relationships are “happening to” us. But what really happened is that a certain set of circumstances triggers something in us that I call a “state.” (Some psychologists call it a ”˜trance,” because it is a form of self-hypnosis. It may also be called a “fugue state,” after a type of music where a single melody line is repeated in many variations.)
A state is a reactive response with certain characteristics. One is a narrowing of focus. Everything else fades to lesser importance. Other, possibly unrelated experiences are interpreted through our intense involvement with this state and its triggers. The anger we have discussed in previous articles is a state. The disorientation of my friend and the distressed confusion of early-stage recovery are also states. Other characteristics of states may be reversion to childlike emotional behaviors — tantrums, outsized hunger for validation or security, confusing the feeling of relief with love.
Another characteristic of these states is often disassociation, or distancing ourselves from objective reality. “Inside” the state, we identify with it. It feels “right,” often passionately right, the truth about ourselves. A feedback loop can evolve. The state becomes magnified by our attention; so we pay more attention to it. If the state is painful, we may start looking for self-medication through alcohol, drugs, video games, shopping, work, etc. If the state provides pleasure, we may do more and more of what we think is creating the pleasure. As we pursue or avoid feelings, learning skills or living with the effects of our actions, the state’s structure evolves into more complexity.
So where do these states come from? Especially the painful ones. Anyone who has been reading this series of articles knows already. They are residue of unprocessed trauma. One of the simplest ways to grasp this is to ask, “When was the first time I ever felt this way?” We may not immediately remember the first time, but most of us can track the state backwards through events in our history.
My relationship with a sociopath was not the first time I’d felt completely subsumed by a romantic attachment. (It was just, unfortunately, the first time I’d done it with someone who felt no ethical responsibility toward me.) I realized, fairly early, that what was happening with him wasn’t “different,” but only a worst-case scenario of something I’d been doing my entire life.
Leaving Las Vegas
Few of us on LoveFraud would consider ourselves gambling addicts. But if we think about what gambling addicts really want, we might see a bit of ourselves in it. When a gambler is winning, the emotional payoff isn’t the money. It is the sense of basking in a kind of sunshine of divine acceptance, where s/he is magically doing everything right and being loved for it. The love may be expressed in financial winnings, but the thrill is that big, loving, supportive “yes” from the cosmos.
From the book “Leaving the Enchanted Forest: The Path from Relationship Addiction to Intimacy” by Stephanie Covington and Liana Beckett, here is a brief description of the progression of an addictive relationship:
1. Experiencing the euphoric high of a new relationship, which enables us to focus on another person, rather than dealing with our true emotional state
2. Seeking the positive mood swing, looking forward to it, being willing to make sacrifices to get it, suffering occasional feelings of dejection or jealousy or panic, but the pain is still manageable
3. Dependence, where focus on the lover crosses the line from choice to need, and life becomes narrow, unbalanced, unhealthy with obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors
4. Maintaining contact just to avoid being in a state of chronic depression and emotional pain, because there is no more euphoria and the inner balance is in shambles
Is this a state? It actually sounds like a series of states with a common thread. If we return to the gambler, we can see a similar fundamental story. A pursuit of magical redemption in which we get the prize if Lady Luck smiles on us, or fall back into a kind of emotional hell if she doesn’t.
But is that a fair analogy? Games of luck depend on the random distribution of a shuffled card deck, the end of a wheel’s momentum, the way dice fall. The gambler is essentially passive, beyond risking the stakes. In our relationships, we do so much more, don’t we? We don’t just show up and hope. We go out of our way to be charming, agreeable, enthusiastic, compliant, understanding, tolerant and supportive, while we kiss, cook, make love, arrange our schedules, dress to please, help out with their finances, children, careers, leave behind huge chunks of our lives as they were before. We’re actively building, investing, sacrificing, trying.
Still, the gambling analogy holds, because of one thing. The success of it all is out of our control. All we can do is our best, and hope that we earn a happy ending. In sociopathic relationships, we learn several very tough lessons. But primary among them is this: if our happiness depends on something outside of ourselves, we are living a gambler’s life.
The crumbling foundation
A recent show on HDTV was about the crumbling foundation under a house. Contractors mortared cinderblock up against the old walls and dug trenches around the outside of the foundation to divert the water that had weakened the concrete. In all, they managed to preserve the rooms of the house above by shoring up the old foundation.
What we face in getting over a sociopathic relationship something like the same problem, although our solution may be quite different. Our “states” are like rooms built on the foundation of old coping responses we adopted when we faced an overwhelming event when we were younger. When I was very small, I learned that no one would protect me from my father’s unreasonable verbal and physical abuse, and in fact, I was responsible for keeping him happy. At three years old or so, I developed an immediate coping response that involved alterations in patterns of feeling, thought and behavior, designed to manipulate circumstances and myself in order to survive. All of it was founded on an awareness of impending danger. But it also included a memory of the time before the danger, a dream of a better time, when I was loved, safe and could thrive as who I was.
That is a quick illustration of the foundation under a “room” in my psyche. I developed through my childhood and adult life with that “state” ready to be triggered by any circumstances that seemed to “fit.” Through the years, I furnished this room with more experiences that supported its reality, learned more survival skills for a world of impending danger, and once or twice, learned that I could relax and be myself in certain circumstances, thinking I was making big progress in my life.
But the twilight-zone reality of this room, which began with the original decision about how to handle an overwhelming childhood event, is what allowed the sociopath to take residence in my life. A coping strategy that was designed to help me survive danger as a child turned into a vulnerability to tremendous danger as an adult.
My friend who kept going back to a man who is incapable of loving her and uses her for money isn’t trying to hurt herself. In fact, she is trying to help herself out of other circumstances in her life. Because of her family background, she has a life strategy of being very, very good and helpful, because love must be earned and the alternative is punishment. Her dream is that, if she earns love, she will be able to recover the lost state of being accepted for herself and the right to her own identity. In this “state,” she is vulnerable to interpreting small kindnesses or seductive behaviors as “love” and acceptance. Especially if the other person meets certain other criteria, like bearing psychological resemblance to her pathologically selfish father.
All of us have gone through these perfect-storm situations when the right stimuli and our old coping strategies come together to throw us into a “state” that seems exciting and redemptive. But for my friend, on her final encounter with this man, something new emerged from this relationship — a realization that she was deluded. She was understandably disoriented because this realization potentially affected not just this relationship, but the structure of her entire life. When she said “I don’t know what to believe anymore” or “maybe I’m just too stupid to live,” she is talking about cracks in the foundation. Not just in the way she understood the world, but even in her ideas about her own identity.
How much can we lose?
In dealing with the residue of a sociopathic relationship, we feel separated from parts of our identity. We talk about not being able to trust again or love again. We talk about the loss of ourselves as lovable or attractive people, as trustworthy to ourselves or others, as believers in the goodness of the world or in a benevolent deity. We have feelings — like bitterness, anger, vengefulness — that we fear or dislike in ourselves. It seems like our rules of social engagement, romance or personality integrity have become broken or unreal.
It is no wonder that many of us need time before we jump back into the world again. With so many basic realities up in the air, a larger question emerges. If the world is so different, if we are so different that what we imagined, then what is real? Or more importantly, is real about us?
As profoundly disorienting as this may be, it is also part of the grieving and letting go stage of trauma processing. Because as we start to allow ourselves to face irretrievable losses — like the loss of the person we loved and the loss of the dream that person represented — we often discover that those losses are just the superficial veneer over deeper losses we have not yet grieved and let go.
In my case, grieving the loss of this man also brought me to the realization that he, and all the other lovers of my life, were band-aids I used cover a very old wound. That was the too-early loss of supportive protection when I was a child. I saw how much of my life was constructed around my coping with impending danger, and especially in my search for safety and restoration of a sense that I belonged and was welcome in the world.
In healing, I had to revisit that child who still existed in me, who was still holding up the foundation of that now-dysfunctional room that welcomed my sociopathic lover as a savior. I had to grieve with her about the childhood she lost while I reassured her that I was taking care of her now. That she could drop that weight finally, stop holding together all those coping strategies like a little Atlas with the world on her shoulders.
If you had asked me five years ago who I am, I would have given you a list of all the characteristics I developed in that room. Hardworking, responsible, trustworthy, generous, tolerant, kind, polite, presentable — all “virtues” that were really highly developed skills to earn the acceptance and approval I needed to feel safe. If you had thought to ask me who I was underneath all of that, and I was feeling particularly honest, I would have told you I was scared and tired and alone. Chronically and unfixably, except for the temporary respites I got from diving into another relationship, winning some praise for my work, or buying or eating something that made me feel better.
Today, if you asked me the same question, I would just smile. The question doesn’t compute. I am my “states,” and yes, they still exist. I still have knee-jerk responses to the stimuli that remind me of my old “world of impending danger.” But increasingly, I recognize them as responses to trauma. I observe myself slipping in and out of these states, being tempted to behaviors that are band-aids for pain.
In getting outside these states, I stopped limiting my identity to characteristics based on arranging my life around impending danger. I freed myself to grow into a larger identity. It includes characteristics — like selfishness, undependability and anger — that were forbidden before. I am more fluid and accepting of myself and other people. But most important, I find that my center has shifted. It’s hard to describe who I am now, but it includes this “observer,” as well as more awareness of the world around me, and more openness to feelings of joy, awe, gratitude and compassion.
I let go of a lot of things. It wasn’t always easy. There was backlash from well-intentioned “rules” and critical voices designed to keep me safe in a world of impending danger. I had to feel my way along to discover what rules were reasonable and which were obsolete artifacts of coping with a scary daddy.
This process of letting go of parts of myself will, I believe, never end. But, to my surprise, it becomes increasingly enjoyable. I once grieved over the discovery that I was not always trustworthy and that, despite all the effort I put into it, I could not make everyone like me. Now, when some inner voice tells me “I have to” do something, my inner observer frequently pops up and decides whether that “state” is useful or whether we have better options. More and more, everything about me is optional, because every moment is new with new challenges and new opportunities that have nothing to do with my history or with some frightened little identity that is really just baggage from that history.
As far as impending danger goes, that’s another issue that we’ll discuss in a future article. Fear, the natural fear of the dangers of a random universe, is something we still have not addressed in this journey of recovery. Grieving and letting go paves the way for that next stage.
Namaste. The joyous awakening spirit in me salutes the joyous awakening spirit in you.
Kathy
P.S. I owe a debt of gratitude to the writing of Stephen Wolinsky, Ph.D., for many of the ideas in this article. You can find his books on Amazon.
Wow, y’all were bantering back and forth, and I missed all those funny posts. I feel like I got hit with the serious stick. LOL
Backatcha:
A girl after my own heart!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!! YEAH BABY!
oooooppss”.did I do that?
Enjoy the satisfaction!
Akitameg:
Ya know”.he’s gone”done, kaput. I wouldn’t lose any sleep tonight over this at all”..One of the lessons that hit me yesterday, in reflection of my past several years is”.All of the things, plans, ideas, hopes whatever”that didn’t go as planned etc” I used to be so bummed, disappointed or whatever”.I realized yesterday that life has a way of working out just as it needs to. DO NOT worry that he split you and turned you in the ’crazy’ unreliable witness”.OFCOARSE my dear”.that was the attorneys job”..Okay”he won”got lot’s of money (not from you)”.and he’s off and running”..It’ll hit em”.you just wait”.just wait girl”..patience”.I’m telling you”. Just give him a chance he’ll get real cocky, enjoying his new treasures and lifestyle”..and one day, unexpected and out of the blue”.KABAM!!!!! Karma will hit”.just like it is supposed to.
It’s only a current fantasy life for him”.and you had NOTHING to do with anything you should be losing sleep over! Dang girl”.if I hadn’t been 4 bottles of champagne in last night celebrating with friends, I would have responded to you”.Sorry”.just had to do it!
But seriously”.Remember, whatever it appears to be”.it is NOT a reality”.they are not happy, they are deeply shame ridden, hiding, running from any feelings”numb people just appearing as if they are having fun.
Quit viewing it through YOUR OWN EYES! See his money for just what it is”.TEMPORARY!
SABRINA:
Have you had your thyroid and VIT D levels checked—
Under this sort of stress”.the Thyroid is the first to go wacked out”..VIT D also is the culprit for ’low’ depressive feelings.
Give yourself a break!
YES! I agree”..a campaign needs to be executed”.just look at all the S’s in the news recently”.THEY ALL ARE!
It’s the liability of mentioning Sociopath or whatever disorder on television”.the attorneys won’t allow it”..they call them by ’other names’. No, it certainly doesn’t help the case for getting information, education and awareness to the public”.it keeps the name S or P as they are all only the killers. Not our neighbors, spouses, attorney, cop, minister—”..THAT IS WHY IT”S SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IN OUR JOURNEYS AND OUR PAIN!!!
GO get em!
HENRY:
”..we all have a story to tell, a past”
and this is the importance of dealing with issues rather than sweeping them under the rug”.
Just think”..the gift our sociopaths have given us is the enlightenment into our OWN lives”.and the snowball effect it causes of personal growth. It makes no difference what phase of healing your in”.denial, grief, anger, acceptance”.it’s all moving in the right direction huh?!
Anything worth having takes work? Things AND feelings.
If we don’t do the work”..we ain’t gonna see any results”.it’ll come back around, let’s not be fooled.
I swear, I know nothing”..as much as I have learned through this whole process, I am still a virgin on life!
Dysfunctional is the new normal—at least you fit in now that your dysfunctional!!!
RE: Mothers. You win some, you lose some! Mine is a bitch in denial. That was another fantasy I had to come (or am coming ) to terms with also. I can’t imaging doing any of this crap to my kids! EVER! But we know it happens, all too often.
Okay…that pillows calling….along with those shaved heads in uniform…..Your baaaadddd!
Witsend,
Please continue to share when you can, your posts help others and your support to others is phenomenal …I too have been overwhelmed lately with all the regular and general stressors in life…I too have been reading and wanting to respond as I have been able to in the past…but just trying to take care of myself, my family and my feelings has left me trying to find my own balance again. Its so nice to read SO MUCH SUPPORT AND CARING AND OPEN ARMS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN EVERYONE HERE…and there are people who are expressing words of support that I would offer too…its just so nice to come here and see the healthiness and healing that begins… as well as the maintenance that sustains…. you and your son are in my thoughts and prayers…doors will open for you, all of our lives will settle into the manner in which they will be and our CHOICE to choose positivity and hope and acceptance will prevail in our own individual lives. Take a breath. You can do no wrong, you can only do your best. You can do no wrong, only your best.
Erin Brokovitch…Are you sure you really arent the real Erin Brokovitch? You have Erin Brokovitch style and energy and determination! Your posts are all that and more!! So very happy for you, a cyber celebration indeed….toasting you… to your Socio-freedom and for giving us another use for duct tape her at LF (tell our ex’s attorney to duct tape their client or better yet just save themselves the time and have them sign Guilty as charged on the dotted line)….your hard work paid off…and that is one valuable lesson here, as with everything in life, even Sociopaths, we must work hard, excruciatingly hard at times, but in the end we can kick Sociopathic butt in the court of law, with calmness, coolness, and being prepared, Erin Brokovitch style. Towanda EB!!!!!
Sabrina – I hope your days are getting better and that the meds will kick in and help lift some of the most difficult stressful parts off your shoulders a bit…you have a way of giving and sharing that helps so many here…especially with what you are going through with your son too right now. I want to share what Ive learned through this journey with my mother and the S in my life….is no matter who it is in our lives, we MUST, WE MUST protect ourselves first, we must take care of ourselves and find our inner balance and belief in ourselves, all the while doing whatever we can at the stages and intervals of our lives that wave RED FLAGS— time to stop and change direction — and I congratulate you for doing that — and giving some tough unconditional love to not only your son– but to yourself. You count too. Your daughter needs you too and your son is going to find his path too. You will always be there for him as long as he respects your boundaries, and the rules you establish in your home . My prayers are with you sweet lady!
Henry captured the essence of a slice of all of our lives…
“sometime I feel so dysfunctional in life. I think at 54 I understand why – what happens to us as children affect’s our entire life”
Two sentences…two powerful and profound sentences to me. Now what we choose to do with that knowledge and how we turn ourselves around to functional and healthy (w/less dysfunction as possible) futures is in the palm of our hands as adults…. I bet it has something to do with ACTIONS AND WORDS!!! xoxo
Stargazer…you did have a big victory…you are healing leaps and bounds with that one! I SALUTE YOU 🙂
Akitameg – WOW!!! What an unbelievable story…this is especially for you…God”“ Grant Akitameg the serenity to accept the things that Akitameg cannot change”“ like being duped by an evil person.
give Akitameg courage to change the things AKITAMEG can”“ like working on AKITAMEG/getting out of the situation/letting go
and the wisdom to know the difference! You can do this, you can do anything you put your mind to! Put your mind to it that he is no good for you! He will only bring you down! Lift yourself up let go of that LOSER!! xoxo
Star, Thankyou for your advice, I will hang on to it, It means alot to me.Henrys too on vitamins and rest. I hope you guys have a wonderful day!xoxo
Erin- You rock! I share in your celebration!!. AS so many of us dont get that kind of victory, you give us all some satisfaction here. God was (and Is) pouring out blessings on you!!
I think whetther we feel we are a victor or not, WE ALL have WON- Being AWAY from the evil that permeated our being and sucked our joy away methodically and calculatingly IS A WIN, A SLAM DUNK. The fact, that we NO longer will tolerate mistreatment and we have taken a stand that even if we forfiet a partner,(we never had that anyway)
it is better to live in Peace and harmony all the days we have left on this earth.
Having that said, EVEN better with All the property and assets you walked away with!!!!
I will ask about the thyroid check as I NEED to go to dr. anyway for a check up. Thankyou so much for mentioning it! WOuld of never thought about it.
Not to be on a bad note here- but I did want to say to be very careful and cautious since this guy lost his a** in court. Protect yourself and everything else, make sure your homeowners and car insurance is up to date. I dont wanna rain on your parade, you deserve this time to celebrate, BUt always remember what he is. xoxoxo
SABRINA:
Yeah…it’s the reality, but I will not let it damper my victory and fun….I fully understand the dangers learking. THANKS!!!
Precautions are in place….
The cameras are recording, the police are notified and watching, the easy off is placed in strategic places (EVERYWHERE), the neighbors are alerted, friends are fully aware and the doors are bolted and secured.
I am also aware he is moving along to harass another party…..he did this last year, moved between the two of us…when one ‘front’ got quiet….he showed up harrassing the other. He ping ponged between us.
THat person and I are in close daily touch…..(he is an old friend that was targeted by the S, because he and his wife and family gave me an immense amount of support during my illness) We have been friends for 18 years. WONDERFUL PEOPLE! Bizaar that he chose him to target…..but he is back on the friends ars currently…..he started back on him just prior to court….which gave me the insight to know our situation was crumbleing in his head and he was losing interest. He is not a multitasking perpetrator. He can only handle one ‘conflict’ of harrassment dishing at a time.
I’m still keeping the ‘PI’ out and about….the recon work is still on the table….just for know. I had initially thought I would throw it out immediately after a divorce was signed, but I don’t think, for our safety I should discard it immediately. I need to know what he’s ‘up to’. This will give me a heads up for danger.
THAT SAID…..I’m not afraid of dying HA!……so f@.......#^Ck YOU S, what else is there!
Oh, how I’ve turned into such a feisty little sailor!
You gals post a lot! I haven’t been on the blog in 24 hours and can hardly keep up with all the stories, especially since I am a newcomer. Does anyone have the Cliff Notes version (ha?)
What Sabrina said about not feeling like taking a bath or putting on make up… that’s something I’ve really been struggling with since last seeing the S/N. With the stress, low self image, and I suppose just plain old beating myself up, I started overeating and have let myself gain 5-6 pounds just in the last month. Since January probably 12 pounds. ICK!
Caught a glimpse in the mirror last night.. and was shocked to see what has happened to my body. Was looking pretty good last fall and through the olidays, and now cannot fit in some of my clothes. Now it’s almost summer and will be hard to cover up! I want to look good but feel tired, not sleeping well. This kind of thing can be a vicious cycle… and probably not uncommon with victims of abusers. Help!
Regarding vitamins, here is what I took during the time I was struggling with depression. I stopped taking anti-depressants, because I wanted to feel everything. (Okay, I’m a hard*** sometimes.. I figured it was the quickest way to get though it.) But sometimes it was just overwhelming.
So here, with a lot of research help from my fabulous sister who hates going to the doctor even more than I do, was what I took when I just couldn’t deal with the feelings. (I am not prescribing, just saying what I did.)
The first defense was magnesium. Magnesium is my sister’s wonder supplement, and I was often amazed that it made me feel better pretty quickly. I took pills from the health foot store. Or alternatively, Epson salts are almost pure magnesium. Magnesium can be absorbed through the skin, so it can be absorbed in a bath, or my sister just makes a fairly strong Epsom salts solution and keeps in the fridge to rub on her skin, like the inside of are arm.
The second defense is Omega 3 fatty acids. This is pure brain food, and often helped a lot.
If that didn’t do it, I moved to tryptophan or 5-HTP, which are serotonin precursors, available at the health food store. I took different doses of 5-HTP at different times, depending on what I needed. If I took too much, I found it made me spacey and so it was easy to find the right amount for me. These need to be taken with a certain B vitamins, but I took a B-multi anyway to deal with stress.
Tryptophan or 5-HTP are NOT to be taken on top of SSRI’s, because both affect serotonin levels.
Finally, if nothing else worked, I took a Sudafed or other antihistamine. This was one of my sister’s brainstorms, and I’m not exactly sure why it worked, but it sometimes did. The other things you can take everyday, and but I wouldn’t take an antihistamine every day. But sometimes, a Sufabed helped beat back overwhelmingly painful feelings when nothing else would.
I’m going to chime in here with kathy’s regimine of “self help food and mineral supplements”—
Serious depression may REQUIRE antidepressant medications to break the cycle or they may require a life time of antidepressant medications. while there is some evidence that there are several “herbs & spices” that are fairly safe and maybe helpful, there are also so me that are LETHAL in combination, or depression so bad that someone is unable to function at all without antidepressants.
Antidepressants ALONE are not always the answer, but at the same time, NOT treating depression that is treatable with antidepressants and saying “I don’t want to take medication ya da ya da” etc. is like havinig a bad case of pneumonia and refusing medication, or having diabetes and not wanting to take shots, so you do nothing and destroy your body/mind and your functioning.
PTSD is not somethi9ng that is just a “get over it” or “be strong” it has caused some BIG TIME chemical changes in the brain and is not a “do it yourself cure.” I also realize that there are DEGREES of depression, PTSD etc.
Antidepressants don’t keep you from “feeling everything” or feeling anything, they simply help your brain to have the chemicals it needs to function. You should not feel spacey or out of it either.
Tryptophan is something we used to give spinal cord and head injury patients for sleep in the evenings, but there were some adverse effects from this in the literature and it was discontinued by accepted medical practice.
Even vitamins in large doses can be toxic, for example, vitamins K,A,D AND E are fat solubole and the body does not excreet excess of these vitamins and they can become very toxic and even lethal in large doses. The water solubale vitamins like C the excess is excreeted BUT it will raise the minimum needed, so if you stop taking huge doses of C you can go into a “rebound scurvy” with a drop to a “normal” level.
Many of the “alternative medical” practices advised today by various practitioners can be very dangerous.
Don’t want to get into a debate about this, but do want the “otehr side” to be heard. I respect Kathy very much and she has the right to take or not take whatever medication she deems appropriate, but I always suggest that anyone here be EVALUATED by a licensed medical practioner before they decide to take or not to take medication.
Hi Kathleen,
I didn’t meant to cause you distress by leaving, nor create drama….I mostly need solid work time to get my job done, which I’m WAY behind in! And I’m ready to move on….I think!
I think there are many paths out of these toxic relationships. I would almost rather see your piece titled” After the Sociopath How did I heal? Step 8: Waking up” It is a very useful guide. But perhaps not necessarily generic to everyone. That’s all.
Also part of it is just a warning to readers for whom it DOES fit….trying to jump to this stage BEFORE going through the previous stages can be self-defeating and even harmful. And it may be that some are ready to leave the path at an earlier stage and take flight!!
Peace…
As with anything in life…we all have our personal choice…it is our gift for us, to us…We must treat it as special…ourselves…we must do what we feel is right for us. We have a wealth of information banks, places to turn to reach out to, to try to figure out whats best for us and what is better for someone else and not us.
Since we are all sharing our experiences…I will add that although not clinically diagnosed — I am certain I was suffering from depression after the split…and I made a promise to myself and asked my gf that if I ever so much as mouthed/joked/off the cuff said the words “I dont want to live…or life is not worth it… that for the sake of my children I would seek an evaluation for severe depression….
Although it didnt come to that …I pushed the boundaries with walking the line….in bed day after day, no shower, no food, no sunlight, no telephone, no tv….staring at the ceiling…up for kids to school…and then up again when they got home….no interest in anything…crying…obsessing…writing…totally cocooning….no meds or natural alternatives…no desire to deal with changing what I was going through….in retrospect…I checked out…but with a balance of “functioning when I needed to” — when we are depressed and stop functioning for our children or work or responsibilities then we really do need to consider evaluation. But I will tell you, I allowed myself to check out with balance — checking back in when need be — ultimately it was a girlfriend who got me to take a look in the mirror at my parched lips and sunken drawn cheeks and blank stare….and said is that how you want me to remember you…and your children to remember you? Because before you know it your 40’s are going to turn into 50’s and 60’s and every moment of beautiful life thats around you that isnt S — is going to leave you wishing you regained control of yourself —
I walked, I hiked, I went to gym, I ate fruits, I made lists, I got outside in the sun and fresh air, I pushed myself to get moving, I cried on treadmill at gym and today I look back at laugh at what the guy beside me must of thought!! Some days I went out just barely put together…but I made the 30 minute walk…each step thinking of my kids.
would medicine have been a heck of a lot easier ? Maybe! And next time I may consider it because I took the long way home…but it doesnt matter as long as you are consciously self-aware of your own limits and willing to say I can or I cant do this without some kind of assistance. Its knowing when youve had enough or when you can go on. And for each and every one of us the options are endless. Kathleens post reminds me to get to the healthfood store because way back when my trainer even suggested Omega 3 fatty acids and a few others – and Oxys posts remind me to be aware that I have a choice — and to be knowledgeable about my options, including an evaluation if ever life doesnt seem worth living ! Because clearly it is, simply not knowing whats to come, I want to take in all the knowledge and power I can for this journey of mine…. Thanks guys!