This is the eighth article in this series about the recovery path, and it is about the second half of the path. This is after we have fully accessed our anger, and begun to grieve our losses and let go. This article may not necessarily be helpful to someone who is still reeling from betrayal and loss, or even someone who is still exploring righteous anger. However, it is part of this series because a growing number of people on LoveFraud are considering the influence of their histories on their relationships, as part of healing themselves and their lives. Please, take what is valuable to you, but if this one doesn’t make sense or, God forbid, makes you feel like you’re being blamed, it just means that you’re at another healing stage. Which is good. Every stage is necessary and good. Be where you are, love yourself and heal. That’s all that matters. — Kathy
In recovering from a trauma or extended trauma like a sociopathic relationship, we often discover that what we lost isn’t what we first thought it was. In fact, our very resistance to letting go — the thing that often keeps us stuck in anger or even bargaining or denial — isn’t exactly what we thought it was.
The traumatic recovery process, if we have the courage to see it through, turns out to be very different from the “he done me wrong” drama it first appeared to be. It’s not about unrequited love. It’s not about us not being good enough or smart enough. It’s really not about anything that is between us and our sociopathic opposite number.
It is really about us waking from a dream.
What is real?
An old friend talked to me recently about feeling so disoriented that she had difficulty finding her way out of her hometown airport. She was returning from her third trip to visit a man in another city. Based on phone conversations with him, she had become convinced that he loved her, wanted a future with her, and accepted her as she was. When she arrived, she discovered that what he wanted was “friends with benefits.” And by the way, would she please invest in his condo because he was having trouble making the payments?
As on the previous trips, he was cold, critical and exploitive, expecting her to pay for staying with him and pay for everything they did together. Knowing that he had less money than her, she did that willingly. She would have given the five-figure investment in the condo, except that her money was tied up in a trust. The one thing she could not do was casual sex, and she could not understand how or why he did not remember that this was a baseline truth with her. If she was in a sexual relationship, it had to be serious and committed. Of course, they had sex before his idea about “friends with benefits” became clear, leaving her feeling used and ashamed.
After the other trips, she had felt wounded and depressed. Half angry at him, half wondering what she had done wrong. This time was different. She finally understood that she had been deluded, and it didn’t matter if he had misled her or she had misled herself. She contacted me to ask me what to do about the feeling of disorientation. She didn’t know how she could have been so mistaken, and she didn’t know what was real anymore.
“I want my old self back,” she said. Then she thought a moment, and said. “No, I don’t. Not if it’s the old self that keeps doing this over and over.”
The broken part
My friend is not stupid, though she has a history of relationships with exploitive people. Listening to her talk about how ashamed she felt about the love letters she had written and her feeling that she was too stupid to live, I could almost see the broken cog in the machinery of her psyche.
With her, as with many of us, this broken part is not really about the exploitive people who take advantage of it. We feel like these relationships are “happening to” us. But what really happened is that a certain set of circumstances triggers something in us that I call a “state.” (Some psychologists call it a ”˜trance,” because it is a form of self-hypnosis. It may also be called a “fugue state,” after a type of music where a single melody line is repeated in many variations.)
A state is a reactive response with certain characteristics. One is a narrowing of focus. Everything else fades to lesser importance. Other, possibly unrelated experiences are interpreted through our intense involvement with this state and its triggers. The anger we have discussed in previous articles is a state. The disorientation of my friend and the distressed confusion of early-stage recovery are also states. Other characteristics of states may be reversion to childlike emotional behaviors — tantrums, outsized hunger for validation or security, confusing the feeling of relief with love.
Another characteristic of these states is often disassociation, or distancing ourselves from objective reality. “Inside” the state, we identify with it. It feels “right,” often passionately right, the truth about ourselves. A feedback loop can evolve. The state becomes magnified by our attention; so we pay more attention to it. If the state is painful, we may start looking for self-medication through alcohol, drugs, video games, shopping, work, etc. If the state provides pleasure, we may do more and more of what we think is creating the pleasure. As we pursue or avoid feelings, learning skills or living with the effects of our actions, the state’s structure evolves into more complexity.
So where do these states come from? Especially the painful ones. Anyone who has been reading this series of articles knows already. They are residue of unprocessed trauma. One of the simplest ways to grasp this is to ask, “When was the first time I ever felt this way?” We may not immediately remember the first time, but most of us can track the state backwards through events in our history.
My relationship with a sociopath was not the first time I’d felt completely subsumed by a romantic attachment. (It was just, unfortunately, the first time I’d done it with someone who felt no ethical responsibility toward me.) I realized, fairly early, that what was happening with him wasn’t “different,” but only a worst-case scenario of something I’d been doing my entire life.
Leaving Las Vegas
Few of us on LoveFraud would consider ourselves gambling addicts. But if we think about what gambling addicts really want, we might see a bit of ourselves in it. When a gambler is winning, the emotional payoff isn’t the money. It is the sense of basking in a kind of sunshine of divine acceptance, where s/he is magically doing everything right and being loved for it. The love may be expressed in financial winnings, but the thrill is that big, loving, supportive “yes” from the cosmos.
From the book “Leaving the Enchanted Forest: The Path from Relationship Addiction to Intimacy” by Stephanie Covington and Liana Beckett, here is a brief description of the progression of an addictive relationship:
1. Experiencing the euphoric high of a new relationship, which enables us to focus on another person, rather than dealing with our true emotional state
2. Seeking the positive mood swing, looking forward to it, being willing to make sacrifices to get it, suffering occasional feelings of dejection or jealousy or panic, but the pain is still manageable
3. Dependence, where focus on the lover crosses the line from choice to need, and life becomes narrow, unbalanced, unhealthy with obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors
4. Maintaining contact just to avoid being in a state of chronic depression and emotional pain, because there is no more euphoria and the inner balance is in shambles
Is this a state? It actually sounds like a series of states with a common thread. If we return to the gambler, we can see a similar fundamental story. A pursuit of magical redemption in which we get the prize if Lady Luck smiles on us, or fall back into a kind of emotional hell if she doesn’t.
But is that a fair analogy? Games of luck depend on the random distribution of a shuffled card deck, the end of a wheel’s momentum, the way dice fall. The gambler is essentially passive, beyond risking the stakes. In our relationships, we do so much more, don’t we? We don’t just show up and hope. We go out of our way to be charming, agreeable, enthusiastic, compliant, understanding, tolerant and supportive, while we kiss, cook, make love, arrange our schedules, dress to please, help out with their finances, children, careers, leave behind huge chunks of our lives as they were before. We’re actively building, investing, sacrificing, trying.
Still, the gambling analogy holds, because of one thing. The success of it all is out of our control. All we can do is our best, and hope that we earn a happy ending. In sociopathic relationships, we learn several very tough lessons. But primary among them is this: if our happiness depends on something outside of ourselves, we are living a gambler’s life.
The crumbling foundation
A recent show on HDTV was about the crumbling foundation under a house. Contractors mortared cinderblock up against the old walls and dug trenches around the outside of the foundation to divert the water that had weakened the concrete. In all, they managed to preserve the rooms of the house above by shoring up the old foundation.
What we face in getting over a sociopathic relationship something like the same problem, although our solution may be quite different. Our “states” are like rooms built on the foundation of old coping responses we adopted when we faced an overwhelming event when we were younger. When I was very small, I learned that no one would protect me from my father’s unreasonable verbal and physical abuse, and in fact, I was responsible for keeping him happy. At three years old or so, I developed an immediate coping response that involved alterations in patterns of feeling, thought and behavior, designed to manipulate circumstances and myself in order to survive. All of it was founded on an awareness of impending danger. But it also included a memory of the time before the danger, a dream of a better time, when I was loved, safe and could thrive as who I was.
That is a quick illustration of the foundation under a “room” in my psyche. I developed through my childhood and adult life with that “state” ready to be triggered by any circumstances that seemed to “fit.” Through the years, I furnished this room with more experiences that supported its reality, learned more survival skills for a world of impending danger, and once or twice, learned that I could relax and be myself in certain circumstances, thinking I was making big progress in my life.
But the twilight-zone reality of this room, which began with the original decision about how to handle an overwhelming childhood event, is what allowed the sociopath to take residence in my life. A coping strategy that was designed to help me survive danger as a child turned into a vulnerability to tremendous danger as an adult.
My friend who kept going back to a man who is incapable of loving her and uses her for money isn’t trying to hurt herself. In fact, she is trying to help herself out of other circumstances in her life. Because of her family background, she has a life strategy of being very, very good and helpful, because love must be earned and the alternative is punishment. Her dream is that, if she earns love, she will be able to recover the lost state of being accepted for herself and the right to her own identity. In this “state,” she is vulnerable to interpreting small kindnesses or seductive behaviors as “love” and acceptance. Especially if the other person meets certain other criteria, like bearing psychological resemblance to her pathologically selfish father.
All of us have gone through these perfect-storm situations when the right stimuli and our old coping strategies come together to throw us into a “state” that seems exciting and redemptive. But for my friend, on her final encounter with this man, something new emerged from this relationship — a realization that she was deluded. She was understandably disoriented because this realization potentially affected not just this relationship, but the structure of her entire life. When she said “I don’t know what to believe anymore” or “maybe I’m just too stupid to live,” she is talking about cracks in the foundation. Not just in the way she understood the world, but even in her ideas about her own identity.
How much can we lose?
In dealing with the residue of a sociopathic relationship, we feel separated from parts of our identity. We talk about not being able to trust again or love again. We talk about the loss of ourselves as lovable or attractive people, as trustworthy to ourselves or others, as believers in the goodness of the world or in a benevolent deity. We have feelings — like bitterness, anger, vengefulness — that we fear or dislike in ourselves. It seems like our rules of social engagement, romance or personality integrity have become broken or unreal.
It is no wonder that many of us need time before we jump back into the world again. With so many basic realities up in the air, a larger question emerges. If the world is so different, if we are so different that what we imagined, then what is real? Or more importantly, is real about us?
As profoundly disorienting as this may be, it is also part of the grieving and letting go stage of trauma processing. Because as we start to allow ourselves to face irretrievable losses — like the loss of the person we loved and the loss of the dream that person represented — we often discover that those losses are just the superficial veneer over deeper losses we have not yet grieved and let go.
In my case, grieving the loss of this man also brought me to the realization that he, and all the other lovers of my life, were band-aids I used cover a very old wound. That was the too-early loss of supportive protection when I was a child. I saw how much of my life was constructed around my coping with impending danger, and especially in my search for safety and restoration of a sense that I belonged and was welcome in the world.
In healing, I had to revisit that child who still existed in me, who was still holding up the foundation of that now-dysfunctional room that welcomed my sociopathic lover as a savior. I had to grieve with her about the childhood she lost while I reassured her that I was taking care of her now. That she could drop that weight finally, stop holding together all those coping strategies like a little Atlas with the world on her shoulders.
If you had asked me five years ago who I am, I would have given you a list of all the characteristics I developed in that room. Hardworking, responsible, trustworthy, generous, tolerant, kind, polite, presentable — all “virtues” that were really highly developed skills to earn the acceptance and approval I needed to feel safe. If you had thought to ask me who I was underneath all of that, and I was feeling particularly honest, I would have told you I was scared and tired and alone. Chronically and unfixably, except for the temporary respites I got from diving into another relationship, winning some praise for my work, or buying or eating something that made me feel better.
Today, if you asked me the same question, I would just smile. The question doesn’t compute. I am my “states,” and yes, they still exist. I still have knee-jerk responses to the stimuli that remind me of my old “world of impending danger.” But increasingly, I recognize them as responses to trauma. I observe myself slipping in and out of these states, being tempted to behaviors that are band-aids for pain.
In getting outside these states, I stopped limiting my identity to characteristics based on arranging my life around impending danger. I freed myself to grow into a larger identity. It includes characteristics — like selfishness, undependability and anger — that were forbidden before. I am more fluid and accepting of myself and other people. But most important, I find that my center has shifted. It’s hard to describe who I am now, but it includes this “observer,” as well as more awareness of the world around me, and more openness to feelings of joy, awe, gratitude and compassion.
I let go of a lot of things. It wasn’t always easy. There was backlash from well-intentioned “rules” and critical voices designed to keep me safe in a world of impending danger. I had to feel my way along to discover what rules were reasonable and which were obsolete artifacts of coping with a scary daddy.
This process of letting go of parts of myself will, I believe, never end. But, to my surprise, it becomes increasingly enjoyable. I once grieved over the discovery that I was not always trustworthy and that, despite all the effort I put into it, I could not make everyone like me. Now, when some inner voice tells me “I have to” do something, my inner observer frequently pops up and decides whether that “state” is useful or whether we have better options. More and more, everything about me is optional, because every moment is new with new challenges and new opportunities that have nothing to do with my history or with some frightened little identity that is really just baggage from that history.
As far as impending danger goes, that’s another issue that we’ll discuss in a future article. Fear, the natural fear of the dangers of a random universe, is something we still have not addressed in this journey of recovery. Grieving and letting go paves the way for that next stage.
Namaste. The joyous awakening spirit in me salutes the joyous awakening spirit in you.
Kathy
P.S. I owe a debt of gratitude to the writing of Stephen Wolinsky, Ph.D., for many of the ideas in this article. You can find his books on Amazon.
Matt;
I posted an earlier post about a “vision board” and focusing on your dream daily. What do want your life to look like is the question? It is difficult to find the answer. I would suggest volunteering in an area that you find joy. Healing comes in giving back and also makes wonderful connections with caring people. You won’t find an S actually doing any work- so you should be safe there. If you want to go after Comedy- go volunteer at a (ours is called the Peace Center) and we have all kinds of famous performers. You can volunteer and see Free shows! It is a great way to make connections! You have to get out there and try things out and see what it is you love! As always, I wish you the Best!
P.S. Great Book: Live the Life You Love, Barbara Sher. She has a great web-site too!
I have been away for a while myself- but it is because such great things that are happening in my life. Despite the fact that I am not divorced yet and still paying the S debt. I have made great progress. I am healing and still have days, but mostly healing. I feel that I have been restored and have taken positive “action” toward my healing. I have suffered through and been reclusive as well. You have to- it is part of the process. But I have GREAT NEWS! I just finished my Masters +30 in Literacy! I have been focused this year and have completed 9 grad hours on-line since the Fall. Akitameg- at almost 51 yrs. old. Go for it! No one can take away your education. It is empowering! I had never taken an on-line course before. It was a new challenge and one that I accomplished! My pay increases! I also have a new job next year in the same school- I am the new Literacy Coach! I will be teaching other teachers and working with students to help improve reading! I have worked hard for this position and was told that with the budget cuts that it would not exist. I let go but continued to work toward the education and dream at the same time. I envisioned it. I will be conducting presentations and professional development! It was such a surprise! YiPEEEE!
My son is cancer-free and is going to work toward becoming a Physical therapist. My older son is traveling with a job that he loves! Life feels real and so much better! I am living a “healthy selflessness” as you mentioned,LTL. Not selfish- Self Aware! “TOWANDA”! as Oxy says 🙂
Kathleen,
Holy smokes, that was some powerful knowledge you kindly shared with us.
I do appreciate you taking the time to research literature focusing on such a complex subject as Psychology, incorporating your own life experiences, relationships into the material and sharing with us.
Your tireless effort geared towards helping others as well as yourself, means so much to me.
But oh MAN….I will not lie and say that this particular essay was easy breezy for me to read and process.
I was decidedly uncomfortable, a little sad many times, and nodding my head in a wry fashion because I could see myself in almost every word you wrote.
Yes, it hurts which resolutely confirms for me that my earlier words written on here stating I’m healed and all better now were either hints at false bravado, or me still lingering in denial, or quite possibly completely unaware of my situation until you helped to spell it out for me.
How can I truly understand the depth of my own “broken cog” if I am unwilling to take as many steps as I need, viewing myself objectively and my unhealthy patterned behaviors and actions? I simply won’t be able.
I must confess to you all that exposing my soft underbelly, exposing my fragility and vulnerability to people is THE most terrifying thing I can do.
I’ve always been the “strong” one, the “capable” one, the “resilient” one….or so I’ve been repeatedly told or led others to believe. But in reality, I fall down so very many times that it takes every ounce, fiber of my being to even want to get back up again.
I thinks it’s obvious, by the tone of my writing, that I’m gloomy today. This is the first time on LF that I’m actually commenting when I’m in this “state” of mind. It is so scary for me to openly express myself to you all but I’m never going to move forward if I continue to nurse my heartache wounds, continue to be haunted by my past painful involvements with friends and lovers.
Of course, I have more good days than bad days where I feel serene, joyful, content and excited to be alive. Today ain’t one of those days.
I’ve been involved with 5 men in the past 3 years and I feel like such a slut for even admitting that to you all. I recently split from a fella that I was regularly seeing for about 3 months.
Compared to the mentally damaged dudes before him, I thought I had hit the jackpot (another appropriate gambling analogy, Kathleen). He is a good man, don’t get me wrong, but as Kathleen wrote up above, I was just trying too damn hard.
Trying to please him in my way, not really carefully, cautiously observing him and listening deeply to what he was saying to me, just….being my overly enthusiastic, nurturing, generous self. Too much of a good thing can overwhelm a person and that’s exactly what I did.
I believe he began to take me for granted, to not appreciate me like I appreciated him, and I could intuitively feel him withdrawing from him. I told him I just couldn’t do this anymore. That I instinctively felt he wasn’t interested any longer and that can’t be good for me and I won’t settle for crumbs, or to be treated like I’m insignificant.
I told him I was sorry and to please not call me again. It’s been a week and he hasn’t. In the beginning I was super satisfied with my decision as I was angry and disappointed. Now…I’m not so angry any longer and I hurt, I’m sad.
This too shall pass, but it sooo sucks, doesn’t it? 🙁
Thanks you Henry and Kathleen Hawk,
When I read this one line I really didn’t need to read the rest, but I did. This came from my heart and sure all that read it will know that. But thanks again for putting it in print. I do know how hard something like this can be when trying to write it. Not really sure if I could ever do it myself. But all that you stated was “right on point”. The hardest part of our recovery is looking at self. Not only is it so hard but so scary at times. All our monsters that we once thought were gone turn out to be alive and well inside of that inner child’s world that you speak of. I am trying to help my inner child understand that it’s alright to be mad and sad because it changes nothing and I will always be there for him and both must learn to love and care for each other.
Thanks these great comments, JAH, JaneSmith, truebeliever and James, and for reading my long-winded replies. One of these days, I will learn how to be concise. But here, with apologies, is another long response.
I’ve added a little caveat at the beginning of this article that it might not make sense to everyone. There is no way it’s going to make sense until several things have happened in the healing process.
One is that we have clearly “externalized” the source of our problem and realized that it had nothing to do with us. We were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and we got run over by a bad-luck truck. Another thing is that we realize that we have real losses, and we surrender to the grieving and letting go process.
The first part of this occurs in anger. The last part of it is the move from anger into another stage.
Anger is necessary. It is the only way we ever get clear about the fact that something bad happened to us, that its source was external to us, and that it was out of our control. Once we get clear about all this, we can start fighting back to recover the integrity of our boundaries. And in doing that, we recover a sense of our own power to affect our lives.
But that fight also clarifies what we can change and what we can’t. We can’t change the fact that we were injured and frightened. That something was taken from us. That it left us with residue of feelings and other material losses. We can change the present by our actions, but there is nothing we can do about the past. And it is the past, in many ways, that we are living with. We have to resolve that somehow in order to truly repair ourselves. Finally, we become more effective at healing our material circumstances after we heal our emotional residue.
While anger brings us to clear awareness of loss, it is also a way to avoid it. Anger focuses on what is wrong, but it does it in a way that continually demands change. We keep looking at our problems as something that can be fixed, either by exerting our power on the outside world or on ourselves. It is a big and difficult step to move from angry action to surrender to what cannot be fixed. We have to trust that we can survive this. And part of anger’s role in healing is to remind us of how strong we truly are, so that we have the courage and faith in ourselves to surrender to loss.
None of this involves changing our minds about what was bad for us. We don’t have to betray ourselves in that way to move into the next stage after anger. There is no question that it was bad for us, because we have lost something we didn’t want to lose. We hold onto that awareness as we move into grieving and letting go. We also hold onto the awareness that the source of our loss is something outside of ourselves. We didn’t choose this. It happened to us.
However, like all the stages, grieving and letting go is a doorway to another stage. That is the topic of this article, our increasing self-awareness of our role in what happened. It has nothing to do with blame. Blame happens through the lens of anger. This is not about anger at all.
It is more about discovering what we can do without. And that journey tends to be full of surprises.
Grief is an emotion that is hardly discussed in our culture, and perhaps I should have written more about it before writing this article. It is not simply waving goodbye to something that is gone. It is being with it, loving it, honoring its presence in our lives, remembering the good of it, having a long last conversation until you have said everything you ever wanted to say. Letting go isn’t something you decide to do. It just happens when you’re finished. When we finally surrender to grief, and give it the attention is deserves, we not only let go in a healthy way, but we also release and free all the energy that was involved with the thing we lost.
This is quite literally a matter of making room for the new. We come up out of grief relieved and renewed with creative energy to spare. We have an object lesson in the fact that we can actually survive the loss and we can come out of the grieving process reborn in a way.
One of the simplest and most honest things to grieve is “the way I was before.” And that simple object of grief can lead us into our own history, especially in recovery after a sociopathic relationship. If we follow our emotions down the trail of searching for the way we were before, it usually takes very few steps to identify the primal losses, the ones that we’ve been living with — in denial, anger or fear — for a very long time.
My descriptions of reparenting my inner child are really descriptions of a quick grief process. Facing the irretrievable loss, relieving my inner child of denial, bargaining and anger, comforting her and letting it go for myself, and then living on as an adult with knowledge of my own survival. In my experience, this is a powerful process with many positive reverberations through my memories, through my perspectives and general level of emotional maturity.
But I’m not sure I would have done any of it, if I hadn’t begun with facing the losses I feel right now. Of admitting that something terrible happened to me, that I couldn’t change it, that all the anger in the world wouldn’t fix it because it was over, and that I was just going to have to surrender to grief. That freed me and made me aware that what I though was necessary to my survival wasn’t, and opened my mind to more of the same process.
And in that state, I began to clean house. Not intentionally, in the sense that I started beating myself up about everything that didn’t work. But it just opened me up to looking at things to see if they worked, and if they didn’t, why not?
We have nothing to be ashamed of. Really. We’ve been doing the best we could, and we did well. We’re here. Survivors. We believed in the redeeming power of love. And we weren’t wrong; it just took us a while to grasp that it had to start with ourselves. This focus on our own healing begins to deliver real results now. Now is when it really stops being about them, and starts being about becoming who we really are.
Kathleen,
I’m not concerned with the length of your posts. What interests me is the content and if they need to be long…so be it!
After spilling my guts to the cyber-world and then rereading what I had written (1,2,3 times..)..I actually FEEL much better.
How’s that for resiliency? Or I would prefer to define it as being mercurial rather than having erratic mood swings…haha.
Thank the LORD above for giving me my goofy, practical humor. It has kept me from flinging myself off the nearest sidewalk curb in frustration and disgust!
My heart and mind are still in serious conflict right now, but as you said grieving is not only beneficial to us but also necessary.
I don’t discount nor disregard nor invalidate ANY of my emotional reactions, processes. They exist. They are what they are and to me….they are vastly important and crucial to my well being.
I’m beginning to put into practice what LTL so eloquently describes as…”a healthy selfishness”
Makes good common sense to me.
Thank you LTL and thank you again, Kathleen.
And a few personal notes, after that extension of the article.
JAH, you’re developing your power or learning how to use it more and more effectively. Everything you write says that. Your work is a fabulous use of power, and if you feel that anger is a necessary trigger, be angry. But I suspect that you’re moving toward being a person who is comfortable with the use of power and able to recognize circumstances when that kind of influence is needed. If you ever feel that your life is moving in that direction and you want someone to talk with, drop me a note. I’ve been teaching power for years, and I’m always glad to chat with someone who’s really growing into it.
truebeliever, huge congratulations on your degree and your new position. (And your son’s good health!) You are so far down this path, and you’re such a model of how a new life is built. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for sharing.
JaneSmith, you make we laugh and hold onto my heart at the same time. You can’t imagine how many years I told people, “I’m almost done with it.” And how I finally got everyone accustomed to asking me how The Work was going. I don’t even bother to say I’m almost done anymore, but I do say that it’s about me now, not about him.
I may have written this already, but one of the things I’ve realized lately is why we meditate. It’s to get perspective on our own stuff, to be able to stand back and watch ourselves get triggered. It doesn’t mean we don’t do it; it just means that we can see it and consider whether we want that running our bus.
And if you’re a slut, I’m not sure what I am. I’ve been serially monogamous (mostly) since I was 28. Out of one bed, into another, until five years ago. And it never even occurred to me that I was a relationship addict until I read “A Million Little Pieces” and realized I was some kind of addict. You and I should get together over a bottle of wine and just laugh about what goofs we are. I think your exit from your last relationship was simply beautiful. (Maybe we can get together and invent a very large, warm teddy bear that says all the right things.)
James, your words are so clear and you are so honest that I feel like I’m reading words from my own heart. I read your posts and move on, because I have nothing to add. And then I go “whoa” and go back and read them again. One little thing occurred to me. You know, you might just let your inner child cry on your shoulder. I think that’s what we really need, comfort from someone who takes us seriously and makes sure that we’re okay. If we’d had that when we were younger, we wouldn’t be dealing with all this baggage today. But we can be that now for our inner child and for ourselves.
Namaste and love.
Kathy
JaneSmith,
Thank-you for sharing your vulnerable down-girl with us. I really appreciate getting to know everyone here, and it helps me on my journey to see as many parts as people feel comfortable sharing.
Your description of being in this last relationship sounds like a chapter out of my relationship novel. I SO relate. It’s interesting that we can give ‘too much’ in relatively healthy relationships, and have that not work to our benefit, or the longevity of the relationship. I think, in a way, when we don’t ask enough from an intimate partner (an normal intimate partner, I am not talking about the personality disordered), and we rush in and overplay our role, we disable them a bit.
I have wondered about this. If it is demasculinating, or inhibits some men from giving fully of themselves when they are attracted to large and in charge, super-giving women. Or if that IS the attraction, because they are relatively lazy or ambivalent. Hmmnnn.
I have chosen to be alone (for the first time since I was 13, and I am 48!), for the last 20 months. I posted early on in this thread about how I simply cannot DO relationship since the s experience. And how much that aggrevates/frustrates certain parts of my personality.
And, if your’e too worried about your sluttiness….we should grab a drink some time and I’ll make you feel downright virginal by telling you about some of my periods of sexual freedom and relationship usage!
Again, thanks for giving it up to us…
Kathleen Thank you again. It is people like you and this site that have helped me heal. It is the connection and understanding of the insanity that we have all experienced with the S. I read your long posts with much pleasure and fortitude. It is what you say that is important and you have brought it home for so many of us. It is letting go of things we can not change. I have clung to the Serenity Prayer during this healing and your post reminded me of it so much.
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.
You have the wisdom and now know the difference in your acceptance and letting go. Take care!
JaneSmith, thank you for sharing. It is a safe haven here for any kind of day we are having and you will find the love and encouragement that you need to make it through. You are brave to make the decision that you made for the better of yourself! TOWANDA! You do deserve better and need to up the ante! I am not dating at all since I am not divorced yet and I have spent more time trying to get a divorce than I was married (1 year)to the S. He was a wonderful guy only he lived a dark second life that slowly unfolded. I knew that I had to pack him up and divorce him before it got worse. It was the most painful experience. It was like the hiker who’s right arm was caught by a falling boulder and he had to cut it off with his pocket knife because he knew it would be the death of him if he did not. It is a crazy making situation! We all want to put a band-aid on it with something or someone else. It’s just that we need to take inventory and see how we want things to be from now on. It is great that you are making changes. You are the only one who can make those choices. You let a guy know how to treat you.
I read a book that I bought myself for Valentines Day, “how not to date a LOSER (a guide to making smart choices) by Georgia Schaffer it is a great guide! Also just finished Act Like a Lady-Think Like a Man by Steve Harvey and it was humorous and so true! These were helpful but nothing prepares you for the dealings of an S. Take care Girl!