This is the eighth article in this series about the recovery path, and it is about the second half of the path. This is after we have fully accessed our anger, and begun to grieve our losses and let go. This article may not necessarily be helpful to someone who is still reeling from betrayal and loss, or even someone who is still exploring righteous anger. However, it is part of this series because a growing number of people on LoveFraud are considering the influence of their histories on their relationships, as part of healing themselves and their lives. Please, take what is valuable to you, but if this one doesn’t make sense or, God forbid, makes you feel like you’re being blamed, it just means that you’re at another healing stage. Which is good. Every stage is necessary and good. Be where you are, love yourself and heal. That’s all that matters. — Kathy
In recovering from a trauma or extended trauma like a sociopathic relationship, we often discover that what we lost isn’t what we first thought it was. In fact, our very resistance to letting go — the thing that often keeps us stuck in anger or even bargaining or denial — isn’t exactly what we thought it was.
The traumatic recovery process, if we have the courage to see it through, turns out to be very different from the “he done me wrong” drama it first appeared to be. It’s not about unrequited love. It’s not about us not being good enough or smart enough. It’s really not about anything that is between us and our sociopathic opposite number.
It is really about us waking from a dream.
What is real?
An old friend talked to me recently about feeling so disoriented that she had difficulty finding her way out of her hometown airport. She was returning from her third trip to visit a man in another city. Based on phone conversations with him, she had become convinced that he loved her, wanted a future with her, and accepted her as she was. When she arrived, she discovered that what he wanted was “friends with benefits.” And by the way, would she please invest in his condo because he was having trouble making the payments?
As on the previous trips, he was cold, critical and exploitive, expecting her to pay for staying with him and pay for everything they did together. Knowing that he had less money than her, she did that willingly. She would have given the five-figure investment in the condo, except that her money was tied up in a trust. The one thing she could not do was casual sex, and she could not understand how or why he did not remember that this was a baseline truth with her. If she was in a sexual relationship, it had to be serious and committed. Of course, they had sex before his idea about “friends with benefits” became clear, leaving her feeling used and ashamed.
After the other trips, she had felt wounded and depressed. Half angry at him, half wondering what she had done wrong. This time was different. She finally understood that she had been deluded, and it didn’t matter if he had misled her or she had misled herself. She contacted me to ask me what to do about the feeling of disorientation. She didn’t know how she could have been so mistaken, and she didn’t know what was real anymore.
“I want my old self back,” she said. Then she thought a moment, and said. “No, I don’t. Not if it’s the old self that keeps doing this over and over.”
The broken part
My friend is not stupid, though she has a history of relationships with exploitive people. Listening to her talk about how ashamed she felt about the love letters she had written and her feeling that she was too stupid to live, I could almost see the broken cog in the machinery of her psyche.
With her, as with many of us, this broken part is not really about the exploitive people who take advantage of it. We feel like these relationships are “happening to” us. But what really happened is that a certain set of circumstances triggers something in us that I call a “state.” (Some psychologists call it a ”˜trance,” because it is a form of self-hypnosis. It may also be called a “fugue state,” after a type of music where a single melody line is repeated in many variations.)
A state is a reactive response with certain characteristics. One is a narrowing of focus. Everything else fades to lesser importance. Other, possibly unrelated experiences are interpreted through our intense involvement with this state and its triggers. The anger we have discussed in previous articles is a state. The disorientation of my friend and the distressed confusion of early-stage recovery are also states. Other characteristics of states may be reversion to childlike emotional behaviors — tantrums, outsized hunger for validation or security, confusing the feeling of relief with love.
Another characteristic of these states is often disassociation, or distancing ourselves from objective reality. “Inside” the state, we identify with it. It feels “right,” often passionately right, the truth about ourselves. A feedback loop can evolve. The state becomes magnified by our attention; so we pay more attention to it. If the state is painful, we may start looking for self-medication through alcohol, drugs, video games, shopping, work, etc. If the state provides pleasure, we may do more and more of what we think is creating the pleasure. As we pursue or avoid feelings, learning skills or living with the effects of our actions, the state’s structure evolves into more complexity.
So where do these states come from? Especially the painful ones. Anyone who has been reading this series of articles knows already. They are residue of unprocessed trauma. One of the simplest ways to grasp this is to ask, “When was the first time I ever felt this way?” We may not immediately remember the first time, but most of us can track the state backwards through events in our history.
My relationship with a sociopath was not the first time I’d felt completely subsumed by a romantic attachment. (It was just, unfortunately, the first time I’d done it with someone who felt no ethical responsibility toward me.) I realized, fairly early, that what was happening with him wasn’t “different,” but only a worst-case scenario of something I’d been doing my entire life.
Leaving Las Vegas
Few of us on LoveFraud would consider ourselves gambling addicts. But if we think about what gambling addicts really want, we might see a bit of ourselves in it. When a gambler is winning, the emotional payoff isn’t the money. It is the sense of basking in a kind of sunshine of divine acceptance, where s/he is magically doing everything right and being loved for it. The love may be expressed in financial winnings, but the thrill is that big, loving, supportive “yes” from the cosmos.
From the book “Leaving the Enchanted Forest: The Path from Relationship Addiction to Intimacy” by Stephanie Covington and Liana Beckett, here is a brief description of the progression of an addictive relationship:
1. Experiencing the euphoric high of a new relationship, which enables us to focus on another person, rather than dealing with our true emotional state
2. Seeking the positive mood swing, looking forward to it, being willing to make sacrifices to get it, suffering occasional feelings of dejection or jealousy or panic, but the pain is still manageable
3. Dependence, where focus on the lover crosses the line from choice to need, and life becomes narrow, unbalanced, unhealthy with obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors
4. Maintaining contact just to avoid being in a state of chronic depression and emotional pain, because there is no more euphoria and the inner balance is in shambles
Is this a state? It actually sounds like a series of states with a common thread. If we return to the gambler, we can see a similar fundamental story. A pursuit of magical redemption in which we get the prize if Lady Luck smiles on us, or fall back into a kind of emotional hell if she doesn’t.
But is that a fair analogy? Games of luck depend on the random distribution of a shuffled card deck, the end of a wheel’s momentum, the way dice fall. The gambler is essentially passive, beyond risking the stakes. In our relationships, we do so much more, don’t we? We don’t just show up and hope. We go out of our way to be charming, agreeable, enthusiastic, compliant, understanding, tolerant and supportive, while we kiss, cook, make love, arrange our schedules, dress to please, help out with their finances, children, careers, leave behind huge chunks of our lives as they were before. We’re actively building, investing, sacrificing, trying.
Still, the gambling analogy holds, because of one thing. The success of it all is out of our control. All we can do is our best, and hope that we earn a happy ending. In sociopathic relationships, we learn several very tough lessons. But primary among them is this: if our happiness depends on something outside of ourselves, we are living a gambler’s life.
The crumbling foundation
A recent show on HDTV was about the crumbling foundation under a house. Contractors mortared cinderblock up against the old walls and dug trenches around the outside of the foundation to divert the water that had weakened the concrete. In all, they managed to preserve the rooms of the house above by shoring up the old foundation.
What we face in getting over a sociopathic relationship something like the same problem, although our solution may be quite different. Our “states” are like rooms built on the foundation of old coping responses we adopted when we faced an overwhelming event when we were younger. When I was very small, I learned that no one would protect me from my father’s unreasonable verbal and physical abuse, and in fact, I was responsible for keeping him happy. At three years old or so, I developed an immediate coping response that involved alterations in patterns of feeling, thought and behavior, designed to manipulate circumstances and myself in order to survive. All of it was founded on an awareness of impending danger. But it also included a memory of the time before the danger, a dream of a better time, when I was loved, safe and could thrive as who I was.
That is a quick illustration of the foundation under a “room” in my psyche. I developed through my childhood and adult life with that “state” ready to be triggered by any circumstances that seemed to “fit.” Through the years, I furnished this room with more experiences that supported its reality, learned more survival skills for a world of impending danger, and once or twice, learned that I could relax and be myself in certain circumstances, thinking I was making big progress in my life.
But the twilight-zone reality of this room, which began with the original decision about how to handle an overwhelming childhood event, is what allowed the sociopath to take residence in my life. A coping strategy that was designed to help me survive danger as a child turned into a vulnerability to tremendous danger as an adult.
My friend who kept going back to a man who is incapable of loving her and uses her for money isn’t trying to hurt herself. In fact, she is trying to help herself out of other circumstances in her life. Because of her family background, she has a life strategy of being very, very good and helpful, because love must be earned and the alternative is punishment. Her dream is that, if she earns love, she will be able to recover the lost state of being accepted for herself and the right to her own identity. In this “state,” she is vulnerable to interpreting small kindnesses or seductive behaviors as “love” and acceptance. Especially if the other person meets certain other criteria, like bearing psychological resemblance to her pathologically selfish father.
All of us have gone through these perfect-storm situations when the right stimuli and our old coping strategies come together to throw us into a “state” that seems exciting and redemptive. But for my friend, on her final encounter with this man, something new emerged from this relationship — a realization that she was deluded. She was understandably disoriented because this realization potentially affected not just this relationship, but the structure of her entire life. When she said “I don’t know what to believe anymore” or “maybe I’m just too stupid to live,” she is talking about cracks in the foundation. Not just in the way she understood the world, but even in her ideas about her own identity.
How much can we lose?
In dealing with the residue of a sociopathic relationship, we feel separated from parts of our identity. We talk about not being able to trust again or love again. We talk about the loss of ourselves as lovable or attractive people, as trustworthy to ourselves or others, as believers in the goodness of the world or in a benevolent deity. We have feelings — like bitterness, anger, vengefulness — that we fear or dislike in ourselves. It seems like our rules of social engagement, romance or personality integrity have become broken or unreal.
It is no wonder that many of us need time before we jump back into the world again. With so many basic realities up in the air, a larger question emerges. If the world is so different, if we are so different that what we imagined, then what is real? Or more importantly, is real about us?
As profoundly disorienting as this may be, it is also part of the grieving and letting go stage of trauma processing. Because as we start to allow ourselves to face irretrievable losses — like the loss of the person we loved and the loss of the dream that person represented — we often discover that those losses are just the superficial veneer over deeper losses we have not yet grieved and let go.
In my case, grieving the loss of this man also brought me to the realization that he, and all the other lovers of my life, were band-aids I used cover a very old wound. That was the too-early loss of supportive protection when I was a child. I saw how much of my life was constructed around my coping with impending danger, and especially in my search for safety and restoration of a sense that I belonged and was welcome in the world.
In healing, I had to revisit that child who still existed in me, who was still holding up the foundation of that now-dysfunctional room that welcomed my sociopathic lover as a savior. I had to grieve with her about the childhood she lost while I reassured her that I was taking care of her now. That she could drop that weight finally, stop holding together all those coping strategies like a little Atlas with the world on her shoulders.
If you had asked me five years ago who I am, I would have given you a list of all the characteristics I developed in that room. Hardworking, responsible, trustworthy, generous, tolerant, kind, polite, presentable — all “virtues” that were really highly developed skills to earn the acceptance and approval I needed to feel safe. If you had thought to ask me who I was underneath all of that, and I was feeling particularly honest, I would have told you I was scared and tired and alone. Chronically and unfixably, except for the temporary respites I got from diving into another relationship, winning some praise for my work, or buying or eating something that made me feel better.
Today, if you asked me the same question, I would just smile. The question doesn’t compute. I am my “states,” and yes, they still exist. I still have knee-jerk responses to the stimuli that remind me of my old “world of impending danger.” But increasingly, I recognize them as responses to trauma. I observe myself slipping in and out of these states, being tempted to behaviors that are band-aids for pain.
In getting outside these states, I stopped limiting my identity to characteristics based on arranging my life around impending danger. I freed myself to grow into a larger identity. It includes characteristics — like selfishness, undependability and anger — that were forbidden before. I am more fluid and accepting of myself and other people. But most important, I find that my center has shifted. It’s hard to describe who I am now, but it includes this “observer,” as well as more awareness of the world around me, and more openness to feelings of joy, awe, gratitude and compassion.
I let go of a lot of things. It wasn’t always easy. There was backlash from well-intentioned “rules” and critical voices designed to keep me safe in a world of impending danger. I had to feel my way along to discover what rules were reasonable and which were obsolete artifacts of coping with a scary daddy.
This process of letting go of parts of myself will, I believe, never end. But, to my surprise, it becomes increasingly enjoyable. I once grieved over the discovery that I was not always trustworthy and that, despite all the effort I put into it, I could not make everyone like me. Now, when some inner voice tells me “I have to” do something, my inner observer frequently pops up and decides whether that “state” is useful or whether we have better options. More and more, everything about me is optional, because every moment is new with new challenges and new opportunities that have nothing to do with my history or with some frightened little identity that is really just baggage from that history.
As far as impending danger goes, that’s another issue that we’ll discuss in a future article. Fear, the natural fear of the dangers of a random universe, is something we still have not addressed in this journey of recovery. Grieving and letting go paves the way for that next stage.
Namaste. The joyous awakening spirit in me salutes the joyous awakening spirit in you.
Kathy
P.S. I owe a debt of gratitude to the writing of Stephen Wolinsky, Ph.D., for many of the ideas in this article. You can find his books on Amazon.
Well, everyone, I have been battling with depression lately. I recently figured out it has gotten wired into my brain chemistry but I cannot afford meds or psychiatrists. So I found some natural supplements in my drawer and took them. They are working, and I’m starting to feel normal again, but just very angry. I’m not angry at the sociopath but other people in my life who are pushing my buttons. It would just be healthier for me to express myself but I always hold back because I don’t think the other person will hear it. Plus, the things that are pushing my buttons are silly things that I feel I shouldn’t be getting upset over. Things people are saying on my other internet forum, such as people trying to cram their political views down other people’s throats. Why should this bother me so much? It’s ONLY the internet? I too was raised in an environment where I was not allowed to be angry. So I learned a lot of indirect ways to deal with it, the worst of which is turning in inward. I have burning things to say to some of these people I’m angry at, but I fear it will do no good and I will only stir up a pot. I doubt these people care how I feel! I wish I could just let go of the anger, but I feel I have to start speaking up for myself. Not being able to do it is like being in hell. It’s eating me up. Why can’t I just say what I need to say and be done with it? Or why can’t I just tune these people out? I hate this.
BTW, Justabout healed, I’m envious that you saw a rattler up close and personal. As usual, everyone runs into snakes except me, even when I’m looking for them.
I think I have a lifetime of experience that when I try and express my feeling to the person who hurt me–whoever that is–they just don’t care, and I end up feeling worse.
Stargazer (and for anyone else who is looking for how to express anger), here is how I learned how to do it in non-violent communication.
First, we accept that the anger is ours. Our issue with something that triggers it in us.
Second, we accept that we are triggered by this thing, because it represents an unmet need. (See needs at http://www.cnvc.org/node/179.)
Third, we accept that we are communicating our own truth, and other people will do with it what they choose.
Fourth, we have the option of making a request, but they have the option of agreeing to it or not.
So here are some examples:
When you talk about your political views in ways that make me feel like I’m being forced to agree, I feel angry, because I have a need to make my own choices.
or (with a tip of the hat to my ex)
When you have sex with other people, I feel disgusted, because I need more trustworthiness in my life.
or (to an ex-boss)
When you criticize your employees in front of customers, it makes me feel outraged, because I have a need for loyalty.
or (to the ex again)
When you hint about something you want me to pay for, I am irritated because I have needs for honesty and self-reliance.
Expressing anger in this way is actually a lot of work, because you have to figure out what need is not being met. It forces you to get real with yourself, to own up to what you really want.
But the result can be really good in terms of speaking authentically and also taking ownership of your feelings and needs.
In addition, there is nothing to argue about. Because you are talking about your feelings and your needs, and you’re the only expert on these things.
We can’t make people do anything about our feelings or needs. But we can learn a lot about them by what they do after we express ourselves. If they ignore us or tell us we’re wrong, we know that they don’t want to know. And what are we doing, hanging around with people who don’t care about us?
Or if we’re forced to deal with them, like in Stargazer’s situation, make it’s time to exert a little power on the situation. My recollection is that you’ve done it before, SG, and it came out really well.
Kathleen,
Thanks for the praise, sweety. I am so digging your superb idea about drinking some wine, nibbling on some cheese, soaking up some rays of sunshine….and behaving as goofy and silly as we can possibly be!
Only, my suggestion would be to invent a fabulous male automaton instead of a fuzzy bear. Give him the bod of Brad Pitt, the stellar character of Abraham Lincoln, and the brains, imagination of William Gibson and….VOILA! SUPER-DUDE! (for the fellas on here, I’m only kidding…or am I really?)
Slimone,
Thank you, doll, for responding and sharing with me. You have offered me awesome food for thought, you lovely woman. It’s so cool that you can also relate to my experience with yes, a relatively healthy, good, decent man yet….it crashed and burned.
I don’t place blame on myself. That’s not going to solve anything, you know? But it has become crystal clear to me that like you, I’m simply not even close to being ready for any type of involvements with men at this time.
I need a break. I’m tired of expending energy and receiving nothing in return. I’m pooped.
C’est la guerre , as they say in Paris Land.
And I laughed at your sluttiness comment…haha. HILARIOUS! Only…uh…I was referring to the last five years.
There ain’t NO WAY I’m going to spill the beans regarding my “gleeful pleasure seeking experimentation during my 20s” era.
That smug horse has left the stable and she ain’t coming back!
😉
Hugs to all…xxooo
My dear Janie,
I have been off and on LF for the last few days (been very busy in RL and things going on) but since you posted in a few days ago, I have felt there was “something going on” with my Janie! I just read your post above (your cyber guts as it were) my dear Janie, as the others have said, “if I could only tell you my full story” you might feel like a retro-virgin! (((hugs)))))
There is no way I could tell you, just how much I would love to have a loving man in my life, but like you, it can’t be “just half way” or “just anyone” to fill that void. There were times that the need for a man in my life was so strong I let myself be lured and hooked by an s-path-hole (thanks, Henry! for that term) and ultimately HURT by the spathole.
But Janie, it seems to me that you are “blaming” yourself for “giving more” or “driving him away” by giving too much. Or “blaming” yourself because you can’t “settle” for less than a very loving relationship in which the othr party idolizes you.
My dear dear friend Janie, you deserve ONLY the very BEST! You GIVE only the BEST! There is nothing worng at all with giving your best to someone you care for, that’s just being the SPECIAL JANIE you are! If he didn’t respond or reciprocate that specialness, it is NOT because there is anything deficient about you, or maybe, even about him, it just is WHAT IT IS.
The fact that you were STRONG ENOUGH to recognize that it was not quite “mutual enough” for YOUR needs is perfectly WONDERFUL! So many people, it seems, will settle for “nearly enough” or “not quite enough” because they think it is the “best they can do.”
Some people tell us (or at least told me, in the past) “You’ll never find Mr. Perfect, so you better take what you can get and not expect perfection.” What they don’t understand is that I don’t expect to find a “Mr. Perfect;,”( in a mate, friend, child, etc. or any other relationship.) While I accept that none of us are perfect, I do expect HONESTY, and I set the bar VERY HIGH on that!
One of the things I also became very aware of (in all this self analysis on the road to healing) was my very strong sexuality, and my sexual “idenity,” as it were. This was in a way such a strong “need” with me, that when suddenly “single,” with the death of my husband, and then later, with the departure of the X-Spathole- boy friend, that my grief was focused, I think, more on the fact that I can’t “settle” for a “Friend-with-benefits” (which are readily available, even to us older—I mean “more mature” —LOL Ladies.
I’m mentoring a young woman (26) now as she goes through her divorce from an spathole and tries to sort out her new idenity as a single woman, single mother, etc. In observing her and listening to and supporting her, I am learning more about myself, I realized, than she is about herself in the process. There is no difference between the lovely 26 year old woman that she is, and the not quite so outwardly lovely 62 year old, that I am. It is just that our society has a “problem” with the sexuality of “old biddies” my age, and doesn’t with lovely young ladies….yet we are the same woman INSIDE, with the same needs and desires….to be loved and cherished.
While I have been coming to terms with the facts and the statistics of the REALITY that me finding a man who (1) would be interested in me and (2) would be acceptable to my NEW standards of honesty and mutality are about like the chances of me winning the lotto with one ticket purchased—I think it is 13 million to ONE! I am also coming to terms with the truth that I cannot accept ANY LESS than a person who would love me, desire me and need me as much as I would him.
I am now not looking for *someone,* but am looking for *some*ONE.* In this quest, I realize too, that I am OK with never finding this someONE, but will sure NOT settle for “someone” instead. I’m not totally sure exactly how I came to this point, this milestone on the Road to Healing, but one day I looked up and realized I was there….and seeing and hearing the thoughts and feelings of the young woman I am mentoring, supporting, as she goes through her own journey of discovering her own needs, wants, and desires, I see myself even more clearly.
It is “odd” to me sometimes, where our own discoveries come from, and many times they are from when we reach out and help another, or when we reach out and validate ourselves.
I too have always been the “strong one” and almost felt it a shame to admit that I too had NEEDS AND DESIRES. That I too felt lonely and alone and needy. It isn’t though, Janie, it isn’t “weakness” or something wrong with us that we need and desire a mate to love, and who loves us. It simply means we are HUMAN! Acknowledging those needs and desires IS STRENGTH. Also, NOT SETTLING FOR LESS THAN WE DESERVE is our greatest strength as well.
Janie, my dear dear friend, I SALUTE YOUR STRENGTH and your honesty! All my love and prayers for you, and I am glad you came “home” where we can support you as you grow even stronger! ((((hugs)))))
Truebeliver,
Aww…thank you for your kind words and support. Of course, what you are going through is nothing compared to what I’m dealing with. It’s small potatoes and I’m ok.
This is a wonderful, loving safe haven and I will admit I have a healthy addiction to LF.
As I wrote some where, in one of the gazillion threads on here, that you all resonate with me on so many levels that I sincerely believe that we are all kindred spirits. The good guys. The ones who not only wish to have beautiful lives for ourselves but for others also.
I will not give up my idealistic, optimistic yet solidly realistic views for anyone. I am me and you are you and we are valuable human beings.
Wait!
I wrote that wrong! My bad….glurp!
It’s suppose to read…”Of course, what I am dealing with is nothing compared to what you are going through”
I am so very sorry, Truebeliever. I’m a dork, plain and simple.
I would never, in a million years, ever trivialize your heartbreaking experiences with frikkin predators. I hate them for me and for you.
Forgive me…..
Have this guy at work that continues to berate me and find fault when there is none. I am getting all kinds of praise from the Boss but this guy just kept making me feel like a dumbass when I know I know more than he does about most things pertaining to my job. So I asked him “Does this make you feel powerful to put down other people?’ Do you get a rush when you think you can look down your nose at other’s just because you have been around here longer than most? Do you like being a bully? –Because if you do that makes you a monster and I will not take this disrespect from you…He was speechless – turned around and left and has not said another word to me… I felt powerful – not so long ago I would of yes sir yes sir and felt as I deserved it – I am proud of me …dont know if he is a butt head or a physcopath but he knows I got his number—towanda~~!!!
Oxy darling,
I’m speechless, touched and awe struck at your post directed to and for me. And for your lovely self as well.
I have realized, this very day, that I had to confront my deep seated fear of exposing my frailty, my vulnerablity to others. I needed to share, with the loving compassionate people on LF my fear so I can truly begin to heal, to see the light.
Yes, sweety, I’m human. Just like you. Just like all of us. I’ve known that forever. I simply didn’t have the courage, before today, to express who I truly am. To you. To all.
Now, I have and it feels good!
Onward and forward, wot wot!
Btw—I watched a great documentary years ago (when I had the cable, satellite and such) about women in their 60s, 70s and 80s and their enthusiastic sex lives or them wanting enthusiastic sex lives.
I’ve never doubted for a minute that women in their “golden years” have healthy sex drives and want to have healthy sex for as long as it’s possible. Hey, I’m gonna be one of those gals, for pete’s sake!
Like you, doll, I want the whole-kit-&-kaboodle or I don’t want anything from men. It DOES cause problems for me to engage in sex with strange men and I won’t do it! Heaps of problems.
Love to you, Oxy and again….thank you so much for being my friend. It is an honor for me.
xxoooxxoooos!!
Kathleen,
You are so right. I even had a dream that I was sitting next to the girl and we were both on our computers typing on our website. I started to indirectly confront her on the website. Then I just turned around and talked to her, telling her how I felt disrespected by her comment. I’ve already let a week or two go by, and I’ve had other communications with her and not mentioned it, so it gets harder. I’m usually a very good communicator. It’s finding the courage to actually do it. It’s easier with some than with others. I had no problem confronting the woman who owes me money. In fact, she even coughed up a few dollars. But this one is harder. I know I need to just do it. I really hate that this is the way out of depression. No wonder I’ve been depressed for so long. I hate confrontations. Usually when there is one, there turn out to be a whole slew of others that I need to confront too. It can be overwhelming sometimes. Like climbing a mountain.