It is perhaps one of the most difficult things to do after having loved, The Lie. To love again without fear of the past repeating itself. To love without fear of making a mistake. Without fear of being hurt.
And yet, we yearn for love. For connection. For that special someone to spend away the hours, sharing in good times and bad. To whisper sweet nothings in the night, to hold and to be held, to laugh with, cry with and even have sex with.
But no, our tender hearts cry out, I can’t do it. I won’t. I’ll never love again. Too risky. Too intimate. Too much.
Or, before our broken hearts even have a chance to stop bleeding, we race out and find another, searching for that special someone to make us feel so special we forget all about the blood dripping from our wounds with every beat of our aching hearts.
We are relational beings.
When I was released from that relationship from hell, I knew I wasn’t healthy enough to date. I knew I was very broken and so I made a commitment with myself to not date for a minimum of a year. I knew that I had to give myself that time to get comfortable with myself again. To heal the tender spots. To soothe my wounded soul and strengthen my sorry ego.
And, underneath my practical approach to what I needed to do to heal was the absolute truth. I was absolutely terrified of getting close to a man. I was terrified I’d vomit all over his leather jacket because it happened to have the same smell as the one I’d given ”˜Him whose name I could not speak’ our first Christmas together. Or, I was terrified I’d break down crying in a restaurant just because my date happened to order the same meal ”˜He’ had ordered the night he’d proposed to me. Or what if, while sitting in a movie, my date reached across to take my hand and I wasn’t expecting it and I got all scared and accidentally slapped him in the face and made such a scene I got up and ran out of the theatre and we were sitting in the middle of the row and everybody had to get up and let me out and I’d feel like such a fool and when I got outside I kept running because, well, I was such a loser!
Seeing as my psyche was pretty caught up in some pretty serious fortune telling of the negative kind about weird and wacky things that would happen if I dated, it seemed wisest to not date — at least until such time as I could look at a man across a table and not want to hurl my plate at him just because he preferred his steak rare. Doesn’t he know? Eating steak rare is a red flag suggesting he was out for blood! A vampire of the sociopathic kind!
And so, the year became two, and then three. It wasn’t that I didn’t want to date. It was just, even after I’d gotten over my fear of pending dating disasters with every dinner invitation; every time I went out on a date I couldn’t figure out how much of the sordid tale I should tell. Do I warn him I’ve got some serious trust issues about men on the first date? Do I tell him I’m hyper-vigilant when it comes to his behaviour? What about the ”˜three times, you’re out’ rule? How much do I tell and when?
It seemed easier to not date than to try to figure out the ins and outs of dating etiquette after the sociopath is gone. And so, I created a story of my satisfaction with my single status, laughingly telling anyone who listened that I liked my life better without a man.
Reality is; we are relational beings. For the vast majority of us, the desire for intimacy, the yearning to be in relation with someone special, is part of our human condition.
Challenge is; looking at my track record up to and including ”˜Him whose name I do not speak’, I wasn’t sure how to be in relationship without my patterns leading to the ”˜new love’ becoming the ”˜ex’, regardless of what a true prince he was.
History does not repeat itself — unless I make it happen.
And then I met C.C.. I met him through business. Oh oh. I met the sociopath through business too. Strike one. He was a friend of a friend. So was ”˜Him whose name…’ Strike two.
What am I doing? My mind shrieked. Am I repeating history? Two similarities right off the bat. Not good.
C.C. even liked cars. Oh no. ”˜He’ liked cars too. Had lots of them. The difference with C.C. was, he liked cars but they weren’t his life. He drove an old antique Mercedes that he’d lovingly restored. And that was his only car. Okay. Only one car. It’s old. We’re okay.
The real difference though between ”˜Him…’ and C.C. was evident from the very first time I met him. C.C. didn’t flirt. He didn’t come on to me or even try to convince me to go out with him on our first encounter. And he never ignored my ”˜No’.
In fact, when we met he was just coming out of a marriage of twenty years and wasn’t looking to date. We’d have lunch or coffee and talk about life and living and I’d share what I’d learned in my growing through the pain of having loved, The Lie, and he’d share his love of his kids and his sorrow at having ”˜failed’ as a husband.
It wasn’t until after about a year of a casual friendship that he asked me on a date, or, as I insisted we call it, an ”˜undate’. “We’re not going out,” I told him. “We’re simply spending some time together to share in the company of someone we enjoy who happens to be of the opposite sex.” And pretty sexy to boot — I didn’t tell him!
Two years later, C.C. and I live in a home we bought together. We continue to deepen our intimacy and to strengthen our commitment to each other. We still have ups and downs. Moments when I think, “Someone to cuddle in bed just isn’t worth this!” But, reality is, my responsibility in our ups and downs are 100% my doing. And his accountability is 100% his doing. I am willing to work on my 100% and I am willing to let him be responsible for his.
And that’s the difference between then and now.
I’m not looking for C.C. to fix me, change me, improve me. And, I’m not looking to fix, change or improve him.
What I’m looking for is a relationship where I can be accountable for myself 100% of the time, and be confident that even when I’m acting out, even when I’m not hearing him or seeing him or behaving in a loving way, our love is not the issue. It’s my behaviour that’s at fault, or needs changing or evaluating and realigning. It’s not ”˜me’. It’s what I’m doing, or how I’m reacting to what’s happening that’s the issue.
True Confessions.
Recently, I came front and centre with my 100% accountability factor. It started with C.C. phoning late in the afternoon to cancel on plans we’d made for that evening. “My partner and I need to meet to go over a crisis situation. Sorry hon. Can’t be avoided. I’ll be home as soon as I’m done,” he said.
Now, ”˜Him whose name I do not speak’ did that kind of thing all the time. Plans made. Cancelled. Promises broken. Disappearances that lasted for days. Turmoil and mystery. Empty promise after empty promise.
My psyche went on full alert. The past was triggered and I boarded its runaway train.
Know that voice in your head that just won’t shut up? After hanging up the phone, ”˜that voice’ revved up into high gear.
“You know he’s lying,” the sibilant hiss of that voice raced through my mind, skirting in and out of the shadows. Beguiling. Seductive. Destructive. “He’s lying. He’s not meeting a business associate. He’s got a date with someone else. He’s conning you.”
Now, let’s be clear. I had no real reason to doubt him. C.C. has never not phoned when he’s promised to phone. Never not appeared, on time, when he’s promised to appear. Perhaps it was I was tired. I’d been out of sorts about all kinds of things in the previous week, including issues with my eldest daughter and her father, who was being who he’d always been, an emotionally distant man but not a sociopath.
Normally, in my post sociopath awareness, I can quieten ”˜that voice’ with a good dose of loving care. “You’re just scared, Louise. That was then. This is now. C.C. is not Him… C.C. has never done anything to cause you to doubt him.”
Alas, on this night, the furies were about and I unhooked their cage and released them.
I got in my car. Yup. I got in my car and drove to where I knew C.C.’ meeting was to be. ”˜If I just see his car there, then I’ll know he didn’t lie.’ I told myself. ”˜I need to do this to give me peace of mind.’ ”˜There’s nothing wrong with being suspicious. After all I’ve been through, why wouldn’t I be suspicious?’
And the justifications carried on, and on and on as I drove closer and closer to my date with the furies. Tears streamed from my eyes. I played a CD filled with songs of love betrayed just to fuel my pain and my feelings of self-loathing. I cried and I cried. I drove and I drove. With every block closer to my destination, the voice of reason receded further and further from my reality.
“You know this is wrong, Louise,” the voice of reason admonished.
”˜That voice’ snarled back. “Bug off. She has to do this. It’s your fault anyway. If you’d just kept her from falling in love with him I wouldn’t have to step in and protect her!’
I’d like to say I came to my senses before I got to my destination. But I didn’t. His car was there. He hadn’t lied. I turned around and headed home.
I have nothing to fear but myself.
I hated what I’d done that night. Hated that I had given in to fear and talked myself into behaving in a way that undermined my higher good.
It was a great lesson. In the end, I discovered the truth about what I was doing. It wasn’t that I couldn’t trust C.C.. It was that I didn’t trust myself enough to do the right thing. I was letting myself down by giving into my fears. I will wilfully behaving in a distrustful way. I was being untrustworthy and undermining our relationship.
Regardless of whether C.C. was or wasn’t where he’d said he’d be, I had let my fears control me. I had let myself react without giving care to what I was creating in my life. Harmony or discord? The choice was always mine. That night I chose discord.
It was several months before I told C.C. what I’d done. I knew that had I told him that night, while I was still feeling off-centered and out of control, he would not have been able to hear me speak of what had compelled me to act in such a foolish and distasteful way. He would only have heard the bare facts — I hadn’t trusted him enough to believe him.
Trust is a big issue for C.C.. We’ve discussed it many times. He needs to know he is trusted in order to trust.
My big issue is safety. I need to feel safe to know I am safe. My behaviour that night had nothing to do with C.C. and everything to do with what was going on in my head. I wasn’t safe within me.
Intimacy can do that to me. In having come through those years of abuse and healing, I know I am okay. But, as I get closer to another human being, along with the joy of knowing I am loved, I am loveable, I am enough, the fears of never being good enough, or of being made to look like a fool, also awaken.
It’s up to me to tame them with ample doses of self-love and liberal dollops of truth and honesty, accountability and authenticity.
When I did tell him about my ride with the furies raging in my head, I ensured I began the conversation with a statement of how much I love him. In the end, he heard me say, “What I did had everything to do with me and my issues around intimacy. It had nothing to do with you and your trustworthiness.” And in his hearing me from where I was at, intimacy deepened, love survived.
We’ve weathered that storm. Climbed different mountains, crossed other seas. And through it all, I am learning that loving another is a journey of discovery. It is a voyage of wonder where I get to let go of holding someone else accountable for how I’m feeling, how I’m acting and what I’m thinking.
To be in relationship with another requires that I first and always hold true to my relationship with my self. To act out is to act against my values, beliefs and principles. To act in love is to embrace all that is wondrous, miraculous and Divine in me.
I am responsible for me. It is my responsibility to act in my higher good, and to not let myself down on the side of doing the wrong thing. Love requires my attention. I deserve my loving care. And love deserves I turn up, pay attention, speak my truth and stay unattached to the outcome. And when I do, love blossoms and I am safe within me.
yeah hummingbird (and Skylar) lets please all raise our glasses:
AWAY with the craziness, IN with common sense and SIMPLE pleasures. lets stay safe and sane. lets keep the craziness out and be on our path to find pleasure and peace with ourselves and with caring people. lets pledge it!
I should sleep. its wayyyyy too late. good day or night everyone. Ill read replies as soon as i wake up if there are any. take care! Hugs!!
OXY:
AT 41, I guess I am a bitch….
Funny, out of all the names there are for ‘us’ women…..Bitch has never offended me. Just like MOB doesn’t you.
At times, it suits me.
If you wish to think of me as a strong, stand up for myself woman, who (now) won’t take shit from you…..then I invite it.
My parents….(English) always called me mouthy…..More when I ‘put my sailor hat on’…..this was ‘one’ of the excuses they used when the S was successful at the splitting of us was that I was ‘mouthy’……
WELL YES>…….WTF are you thinking…..they were so eager to believe S’s lies…..so eager to hurt me, so eager to abandon me, as a disguise of ‘helping’ me….Oh, OKAY……
I guess when one is portrayed as faking Cancer and instead being mentally ill…….watch the bitch ooze out of me….Yep….Mouthy got the attention.
yes…..I did turn into a mouthy old BITCH…..didn’t make a difference, …..rational conversation never was listened to with them…..they KNOW all! In reality…..they knew nothing of ‘who’ their daughter was……they never bothered to get to know me……they were so jelouse of my achievements they judged me from afar/long distance……and over time this is what their ‘reality’ of me became…..The S did the same thing….he would tell me ‘what’ I was thinking…..and couldn’t be farther from reality. He was all knowing too. He had no clue of ‘who’ I was……
I have copies of his journals……and alot of his writings were what I and the kids ‘felt’ and thought……very scary.
I used to say to him……do you have any clue who you are married to? This was before my realization……I couldn’t grasp how someone could spend so much of their life with another and not know ANYTHING about them….
After I was released from hospital the first time, I asked him for yogurt….he brought me Lime and tangerine yogurts…..
YUCK!!!! WHEN THE HELL HAS HE EVER SEEN lime and TANGERINE in the fridge….
All I ever bought were strawberry,peach or blueberry…..EVER! After 28 years, he didn’t even know what sort of yogurt I liked!
I said to him…..thanks for the yogurt, but next time I like XXX….He said, NO these are your favorites!
I said NO…..THESE ARE YOUR FAVORITES>>>>>NOT MINE!
This is the extent of the mind control games……even down to what yogurt I like……
I never ate them! I had a friend bring me what I liked.
Shit, talk about someone not paying attention to anything…….
He sure wasn’t kidding when I would ask him on long car rides…..and silence was the prevailing ‘noise’…..I would look at him and say (as to start a conversation) what ya thinking about…..He would say nothing…..that always blew me away the someone could be so blank….I had a hard time believing it at the time……
Oh, not now……..
MariaLisa,
actually, all this came about AFTER I left him for the 3rd time. It is now evident that I caused a narcissistic injury and they are REALLY dangerous after that.
He began by convincing me to come back, then he needed me to prove that I loved him. One little step at a time down that slippery slope. He told me how wonderful it was that I would do all these things for him, blah, blah, blah.
So, next time you are thinking of going back to him, remember that each time you leave him and come back YOUR PUNISHMENT WILL BE GREATER. And you probably won’t even know you’re being punished until it’s too late.
I was lucky, that the fear of disease overcame everything that he said to me. I just had to be firm and refuse, but there was no way to just have normal sex because once it started with him, he would just go out of control. So I had to say no to all physical contact.
I remember something odd my xS/P said to me when we first met…he stated that he felt “dead inside” and that it was like he had “no joy in his life”. Now I know he was essentially defining himself, as a sociopath. But I don’t think he actually KNOWS what one is in the true definition of the word. I’m not sure if he even realizes what “joy” is, unless he feels like others don’t experience the level of boredom that he does, therefore he must be missing out on something. I guess I felt sorry for him at first, hoping that I might be a part of what could be the “joy” finally in his life. I never realized the irony of that statement, or rather the “truthfulness”…probably the one true thing he ever said…he is dead inside…cold, dead, no soul…clueless to the true meaning of life. It’s sad and tragic, for them and all of us who encounter them….thank God we now know how to recognize these evil beings. Being here, being survivors, is our advantage over the rest of the world isn’t it? At least we KNOW….
Marialisa asked: Now that sex is brought up: does everybody here agree that they ( the sociopaths) are detached and thus unloving in bed?
YES. Totally yes.
next question?
He couldn’t even KISS with any passion. He couldn’t hug with passion. It was all robotic, scripted, dumb. He took porn very seriously.
And then of course he accused ME of not being able to do “mellow” which was as close as he could come to making love instead of just dominating sex. Even in the FOG, I didn’t buy THAT projection!!!!
Now, if my husband sees porn, like at a hotel, he just starts laughing and saying I can’t believe how bad the acting is and shuts it off. He simply can’t take it seriously.
There comes a point when you love someone that you get all past the mechanics and stuff, and find yourselves unplanned looking into each other’s eyes, just focused on loving each other, soothing each other other sort of, appreciating each other and then suddenly (sometimes) passion will grip you. But it becomes about connecting more than about orgasm. It’s really nice. The o’s happen, but that isn’t even the main focus.
My mind can go to weird places, but never in reality!
So the P sexually assaulted me. And looking back, I see how he had it planned from day one. He even wrote out a description of it but I THOUGHT HE WAS KIDDING at the time.
I was SO stupid.
Humming…The P would say he felt “empty” inside. He said I had passion, that he didn’t. He said he felt unloved. He said he never had fallen in love. He said he couldn’t give his heart to anyone except himself.
I think he had all that correct!
marialisa, I hope you are sleeping well, with no nightmares of times past..but in the morning this message is for you…
Yes, I admit, sometimes I think to myself…”if only I hadn’t warned his new victim and caused a big stir” “we would still be friends with “limited ” benefits…he was dating (I could also, but didn’t really)yet when we hung out as friends he was still very affectionate, we would sleep together and cuddle all night long etc. I knew that he was giving all these other women a bunch of crap, but as long as things between us were good, then couldn’t I handle him dating???Like you said, we could talk about things and laugh and I so miss that…the kitties don’t talk back when I tell them about work. You see we had at one time been exclusive ( or so I thought) til I caught him cheating. But the relationship changed to friends as I am too forgiving, and felt that having part of him was better than nothing at all.
I wonder often, if even KNOWING that he is a P/S, I could have watched my back, and been aware, and still made it work for ME. But you know what? It is that very reason that it WOULDN’T work. I KNOW he is capable of almost anything destructive to our relationship whether it be friends , lovers, whatever. Given enough time, he would eventually do something to hurt me more than he already has…maybe the next time, it would have been a financial disaster, or he would have driven me to a successful suicide attempt.
You MUST remember this! We can’t give them “another chance” because we are longing so much to feel their arms around us. That hug is potentially lethal…suffocating…as we melt into a puddle of surrender and comfort…they slyly grin over our shoulder, knowing that once again they have WON…SCORE…LET THE GAMES BEGIN
It can never work on any level, and the sooner we start NC and remain NC…the better off we are. One day at a time…one more day without him…one day closer to being totally healed…
much love and understanding…HB
Thanks all for the very warm welcome and support…I’m sorry for why we’re all here but I’m so grateful we can at least help each other along the way.
The sex thing…wow…Skylar, I can relate to some of your stories in a big way. I feel like all of freakin’ Manhattan was either involved in or knew about our sex life. At first, when I was young and acting out and wanted to be a a bit of a bad girl, I was into some of it…experimenting. I don’t regret that part of it. But having an “open relationship” got old, and because even though he had almost no rules to follow he couldn’t follow any (e.g., using condoms) it got scary, and then I realized that extreme was the only way he rolled. Fantasies could involve whole football teams for gawd’s sake!
Technically I could say it was good for some years and even good later sometimes. But I have to admit that from the first time he kissed me I knew something was wrong. Just knew it. But didn’t listen.
And let me say, sex with a sex addict is anything but spontaneous. By year 8 I was having to throw back a drink and completely steel myself to do it, just couldn’t wait for it to be over so I could go back to reading or whatever else I really wanted to be doing. Even after he went through recovery (sort of) all that really did was throw the entire focus on me. He’d say “well now that I gave up everything for you you’re my whole sex life so you have to make it really good. Don’t you want your husband to desire you?”
Ummm…actually, no, not really! And I got tired of him asking me to put on the little cheap Frederick’s outfits he’d buy me.
One of the final straws was when he offered me, like a pig on a platter, to one of our friends for sex. Via email. With a ringing endorsement about what a great lover I was, but that I’d always come back to him. My shame is that when I found out about it my reaction was almost non-existent, although when I look at it now it was one of the last and most significant straws. The friend politely declined but also sat me down and said darlin…are you really seeing what’s going on here? If he loves you how could he be doing this?
I was talking to a friend of mine about all this just before exN and I separated, and after I spilled my guts she said “well…it sounds to me like you’ve had some good sex, but it doesn’t sound to me like you’ve ever had a good lover.”
This floored me, and I knew she was right. I’ve been cheated on more than once so when I met exN I was looking for a way not to be hurt and he offered an alternative lifestyle that supposedly would make cheating a moot point. Not only is that a big joke, but also what I got was sex that was detached, technical, unspontaneous, sometimes infuriating and other times nauseating. My body was giving me every message that it wanted none of this while my brain was saying “keep love and sex separate, it’s safer.”
Anyway, long story long…having had almost a year of celibacy I now know that when it comes down to it I’m pretty vanilla. I want real passion, and I want someone who can look me in the eye, not give me that reptilian stare (anyone else here experienced that? Ick). I want my intimate life to be extremely private, between two people, not shared at cocktail parties which it so often was (“oh aren’t we special and exotic blah blah blah”).
Anyway…lot to say on this particular aspect of things as it was such a huge part of my time with exN. I’m so glad to be where I am today. I suppose as I write this it’s easy to see why I’ve got my triggers.
you said it, Hummingbird!
My relationship with my xP, after we stopped sleeping together, seemed very close, like old friends.
WRONG!
I was content. He was narcissistically injured.
Again, my rejection of him only upped the ante.
When I stopped allowing him to control me sexually, it just enraged him more. BUT HE NEVER SHOWED IT.
They are practiced and skilled at lying and hiding their true intents. THEY NEVER MOVE THEIR LIPS WITHOUT LYING.
He told you that, “he stated that he felt “dead inside” and that it was like he had “no joy in his life”.”
You now think it was the only truth he ever told?
WRONG. it was still a lie.
He was telling the truth but the reason he told you was a lie. It’s the only time they tell the truth.
He was trying to mislead you into thinking that he wanted you to help him feel joy. It was the pity ploy wrapped in apartial truth. That’s one of their favorites.
I went to a wedding today and I thought the groom was a P.
I’m convinced of it. I don’t even know him. But I think everyone is a P. Still, I’m compelled to act and behave the way I always have. Trusting and gullible. I need therapy – years of it.
Blackdeer, we were posting simultaneously, I think.
Welcome and sorry.
here’s the funny part: the guys he brought over… he called them VICTIMS. LOL.
such irony.
Anewlily would not laugh at this, but how else can you even continue living if you don’t allow yourself to laugh at your own stupidity?
They want us to lose our ability to laugh at ourselves. To take ourselves so seriously that we commit suicide. To let our egos be so motherf***in wounded that we can no longer take it. But when I lose my ego and see myself as a speck in the cosmos, I see him as a speck and all his plotting becomes comical and so does my part in it.
I knew what he was doing in regards to the sex stuff. I just couldn’t bear to confront him because I didn’t want to hear him lie even more. Often times I, and many of his other friends, would pretend to believe his many lies, just because we were embarrassed for him.
I wonder if it made it worse because he thought he was getting away with it? Or would he have worked to become a better liar if we confronted him? or would it have made any difference at all?