It is perhaps one of the most difficult things to do after having loved, The Lie. To love again without fear of the past repeating itself. To love without fear of making a mistake. Without fear of being hurt.
And yet, we yearn for love. For connection. For that special someone to spend away the hours, sharing in good times and bad. To whisper sweet nothings in the night, to hold and to be held, to laugh with, cry with and even have sex with.
But no, our tender hearts cry out, I can’t do it. I won’t. I’ll never love again. Too risky. Too intimate. Too much.
Or, before our broken hearts even have a chance to stop bleeding, we race out and find another, searching for that special someone to make us feel so special we forget all about the blood dripping from our wounds with every beat of our aching hearts.
We are relational beings.
When I was released from that relationship from hell, I knew I wasn’t healthy enough to date. I knew I was very broken and so I made a commitment with myself to not date for a minimum of a year. I knew that I had to give myself that time to get comfortable with myself again. To heal the tender spots. To soothe my wounded soul and strengthen my sorry ego.
And, underneath my practical approach to what I needed to do to heal was the absolute truth. I was absolutely terrified of getting close to a man. I was terrified I’d vomit all over his leather jacket because it happened to have the same smell as the one I’d given ”˜Him whose name I could not speak’ our first Christmas together. Or, I was terrified I’d break down crying in a restaurant just because my date happened to order the same meal ”˜He’ had ordered the night he’d proposed to me. Or what if, while sitting in a movie, my date reached across to take my hand and I wasn’t expecting it and I got all scared and accidentally slapped him in the face and made such a scene I got up and ran out of the theatre and we were sitting in the middle of the row and everybody had to get up and let me out and I’d feel like such a fool and when I got outside I kept running because, well, I was such a loser!
Seeing as my psyche was pretty caught up in some pretty serious fortune telling of the negative kind about weird and wacky things that would happen if I dated, it seemed wisest to not date — at least until such time as I could look at a man across a table and not want to hurl my plate at him just because he preferred his steak rare. Doesn’t he know? Eating steak rare is a red flag suggesting he was out for blood! A vampire of the sociopathic kind!
And so, the year became two, and then three. It wasn’t that I didn’t want to date. It was just, even after I’d gotten over my fear of pending dating disasters with every dinner invitation; every time I went out on a date I couldn’t figure out how much of the sordid tale I should tell. Do I warn him I’ve got some serious trust issues about men on the first date? Do I tell him I’m hyper-vigilant when it comes to his behaviour? What about the ”˜three times, you’re out’ rule? How much do I tell and when?
It seemed easier to not date than to try to figure out the ins and outs of dating etiquette after the sociopath is gone. And so, I created a story of my satisfaction with my single status, laughingly telling anyone who listened that I liked my life better without a man.
Reality is; we are relational beings. For the vast majority of us, the desire for intimacy, the yearning to be in relation with someone special, is part of our human condition.
Challenge is; looking at my track record up to and including ”˜Him whose name I do not speak’, I wasn’t sure how to be in relationship without my patterns leading to the ”˜new love’ becoming the ”˜ex’, regardless of what a true prince he was.
History does not repeat itself — unless I make it happen.
And then I met C.C.. I met him through business. Oh oh. I met the sociopath through business too. Strike one. He was a friend of a friend. So was ”˜Him whose name…’ Strike two.
What am I doing? My mind shrieked. Am I repeating history? Two similarities right off the bat. Not good.
C.C. even liked cars. Oh no. ”˜He’ liked cars too. Had lots of them. The difference with C.C. was, he liked cars but they weren’t his life. He drove an old antique Mercedes that he’d lovingly restored. And that was his only car. Okay. Only one car. It’s old. We’re okay.
The real difference though between ”˜Him…’ and C.C. was evident from the very first time I met him. C.C. didn’t flirt. He didn’t come on to me or even try to convince me to go out with him on our first encounter. And he never ignored my ”˜No’.
In fact, when we met he was just coming out of a marriage of twenty years and wasn’t looking to date. We’d have lunch or coffee and talk about life and living and I’d share what I’d learned in my growing through the pain of having loved, The Lie, and he’d share his love of his kids and his sorrow at having ”˜failed’ as a husband.
It wasn’t until after about a year of a casual friendship that he asked me on a date, or, as I insisted we call it, an ”˜undate’. “We’re not going out,” I told him. “We’re simply spending some time together to share in the company of someone we enjoy who happens to be of the opposite sex.” And pretty sexy to boot — I didn’t tell him!
Two years later, C.C. and I live in a home we bought together. We continue to deepen our intimacy and to strengthen our commitment to each other. We still have ups and downs. Moments when I think, “Someone to cuddle in bed just isn’t worth this!” But, reality is, my responsibility in our ups and downs are 100% my doing. And his accountability is 100% his doing. I am willing to work on my 100% and I am willing to let him be responsible for his.
And that’s the difference between then and now.
I’m not looking for C.C. to fix me, change me, improve me. And, I’m not looking to fix, change or improve him.
What I’m looking for is a relationship where I can be accountable for myself 100% of the time, and be confident that even when I’m acting out, even when I’m not hearing him or seeing him or behaving in a loving way, our love is not the issue. It’s my behaviour that’s at fault, or needs changing or evaluating and realigning. It’s not ”˜me’. It’s what I’m doing, or how I’m reacting to what’s happening that’s the issue.
True Confessions.
Recently, I came front and centre with my 100% accountability factor. It started with C.C. phoning late in the afternoon to cancel on plans we’d made for that evening. “My partner and I need to meet to go over a crisis situation. Sorry hon. Can’t be avoided. I’ll be home as soon as I’m done,” he said.
Now, ”˜Him whose name I do not speak’ did that kind of thing all the time. Plans made. Cancelled. Promises broken. Disappearances that lasted for days. Turmoil and mystery. Empty promise after empty promise.
My psyche went on full alert. The past was triggered and I boarded its runaway train.
Know that voice in your head that just won’t shut up? After hanging up the phone, ”˜that voice’ revved up into high gear.
“You know he’s lying,” the sibilant hiss of that voice raced through my mind, skirting in and out of the shadows. Beguiling. Seductive. Destructive. “He’s lying. He’s not meeting a business associate. He’s got a date with someone else. He’s conning you.”
Now, let’s be clear. I had no real reason to doubt him. C.C. has never not phoned when he’s promised to phone. Never not appeared, on time, when he’s promised to appear. Perhaps it was I was tired. I’d been out of sorts about all kinds of things in the previous week, including issues with my eldest daughter and her father, who was being who he’d always been, an emotionally distant man but not a sociopath.
Normally, in my post sociopath awareness, I can quieten ”˜that voice’ with a good dose of loving care. “You’re just scared, Louise. That was then. This is now. C.C. is not Him… C.C. has never done anything to cause you to doubt him.”
Alas, on this night, the furies were about and I unhooked their cage and released them.
I got in my car. Yup. I got in my car and drove to where I knew C.C.’ meeting was to be. ”˜If I just see his car there, then I’ll know he didn’t lie.’ I told myself. ”˜I need to do this to give me peace of mind.’ ”˜There’s nothing wrong with being suspicious. After all I’ve been through, why wouldn’t I be suspicious?’
And the justifications carried on, and on and on as I drove closer and closer to my date with the furies. Tears streamed from my eyes. I played a CD filled with songs of love betrayed just to fuel my pain and my feelings of self-loathing. I cried and I cried. I drove and I drove. With every block closer to my destination, the voice of reason receded further and further from my reality.
“You know this is wrong, Louise,” the voice of reason admonished.
”˜That voice’ snarled back. “Bug off. She has to do this. It’s your fault anyway. If you’d just kept her from falling in love with him I wouldn’t have to step in and protect her!’
I’d like to say I came to my senses before I got to my destination. But I didn’t. His car was there. He hadn’t lied. I turned around and headed home.
I have nothing to fear but myself.
I hated what I’d done that night. Hated that I had given in to fear and talked myself into behaving in a way that undermined my higher good.
It was a great lesson. In the end, I discovered the truth about what I was doing. It wasn’t that I couldn’t trust C.C.. It was that I didn’t trust myself enough to do the right thing. I was letting myself down by giving into my fears. I will wilfully behaving in a distrustful way. I was being untrustworthy and undermining our relationship.
Regardless of whether C.C. was or wasn’t where he’d said he’d be, I had let my fears control me. I had let myself react without giving care to what I was creating in my life. Harmony or discord? The choice was always mine. That night I chose discord.
It was several months before I told C.C. what I’d done. I knew that had I told him that night, while I was still feeling off-centered and out of control, he would not have been able to hear me speak of what had compelled me to act in such a foolish and distasteful way. He would only have heard the bare facts — I hadn’t trusted him enough to believe him.
Trust is a big issue for C.C.. We’ve discussed it many times. He needs to know he is trusted in order to trust.
My big issue is safety. I need to feel safe to know I am safe. My behaviour that night had nothing to do with C.C. and everything to do with what was going on in my head. I wasn’t safe within me.
Intimacy can do that to me. In having come through those years of abuse and healing, I know I am okay. But, as I get closer to another human being, along with the joy of knowing I am loved, I am loveable, I am enough, the fears of never being good enough, or of being made to look like a fool, also awaken.
It’s up to me to tame them with ample doses of self-love and liberal dollops of truth and honesty, accountability and authenticity.
When I did tell him about my ride with the furies raging in my head, I ensured I began the conversation with a statement of how much I love him. In the end, he heard me say, “What I did had everything to do with me and my issues around intimacy. It had nothing to do with you and your trustworthiness.” And in his hearing me from where I was at, intimacy deepened, love survived.
We’ve weathered that storm. Climbed different mountains, crossed other seas. And through it all, I am learning that loving another is a journey of discovery. It is a voyage of wonder where I get to let go of holding someone else accountable for how I’m feeling, how I’m acting and what I’m thinking.
To be in relationship with another requires that I first and always hold true to my relationship with my self. To act out is to act against my values, beliefs and principles. To act in love is to embrace all that is wondrous, miraculous and Divine in me.
I am responsible for me. It is my responsibility to act in my higher good, and to not let myself down on the side of doing the wrong thing. Love requires my attention. I deserve my loving care. And love deserves I turn up, pay attention, speak my truth and stay unattached to the outcome. And when I do, love blossoms and I am safe within me.
Twice,
no, a trojan horse is a true P who was sent by another P to do his dirty work. It gives him extra power because now you feel like, “how come the whole world is against me?”
Oxy came up with that word when her P son met another P in jail and convinced him to move in with Oxy as a renter, then he tried to take her mom’s money and kill Oxy and her other son. (did I get that right, Oxy)
That is what is scary. They can and will work together as long as there is a cash payout for the trojan P.
My P doesn’t care about money as much as he loves to do evil, but the trojan P was discovered when he was looking for guys “willing to rape a girl as long as they think that she is passed out”. You see that is the amazing thing about my P. He usually coordinates his cons so that he get multiple and far-ranging benefits.
He can see “the big picture” when he arranges his cons.
In my case, he wanted to punish me for leaving him 3 times before. So he convinced me to prove my love with these bizarre sex acts. Simultaneously, he was finding derilicts to assist him in future cons, and he had a hidden video camera (no evidence of this yet, but I’m sure it will eventually surface)
So, he was able to manipulate my emotions, find P-freaks who have the same mindset, create a group of people who hate me for future use (men who rape will hate their victim because it absolves them). I’m pretty sure he now uses the video to lure others and I have a feeling he even made the wife of one of the original rapists hate me because she was pregnant at the time. And last but not least, he found a trojan – P to marry my sister for money and keep an eye on me while gaslighting the entire family with his cop bullshit.
A con like this can have FAR reaching ramifications if you put your mind to it. THINK ABOUT IT.
Skylar, I have to agree with the others who say to focus on yourself. I know this ultimately may affect you, but sounds like she’s in full immersion with her P so what really is there to do if she can’t be trusted to listen to even a tiny bit of reason? Or to use the info to get you into (more) hot water?
I feel for you, it’s a tough situation no matter how you slice it.
I’m also getting the “she’s crazy, not me” thing. I say nothing, I count on the fact that those who really care about me will know the truth or figure it out…and this is a good time to see who my real friends are.
He actually has done a bang-up job of making himself look like a complete fool on FaceBook–I hate that he has zero concept of privacy with all his online tears about how I left, and he has *no idea what happened* (WTF!!! Go back to the detailed letter that I gave you about this, oh and also remember that you sent out a mass email to practically everyone you knew the day I left saying that you knew why I was leaving and that I had every reason to want to end our marriage). I admit it’s a bit gratifying when mutual friends write to me and say what the hell is wrong with him? Of course this is usually followed by “how/why did you put up with him all those years?”
Great question!
Skylar, it was my therapist who told me that the ONLY legitimate rescue was to pull an unconscious person out of a burning building….but I didn’t PUT IT TO USE, I SHOULD have.
Unfortunately, if we try to rescue people they will act like a person who is drowning, they will try to fight us, pull us under and drown us too. We must wait until they are WILLING to be helped, and then we can encourage them, validate them, but they have to rescue themselves.
And yes, Skylar, that’s about the gist of my story about the psychopath I dubbed the “Trojan Horse” because he came into omy circle looking “harmless” disguised as a renter.
While some of the “cons” are pretty obvious, some of the other cons are so well thought out that it is difficult to detect them. FORTUNATELY for me, the TH-P was greedy and “borrowed” money from my egg donor, which though she and he both lied to me about it, raised my suspicions about him….then when the Sex offender list on the internet from Texas STILL HAD HIS MUG SHOT AND CRIMES LISTED ON IT and my friend found it after I had told her I was suspicious of him (don’t know why I didn’t think to google his name–DUH!) that literally SAVED MY LIFE I firmly believe and maybe the lives of my other two sons.
I think of people like Kelsi who was murdered by her P, or of Laci Peterson, whom Scot killed…or the hundreds of other women (and men) in this country murdered either overtly or covertly by a psychopath in a rage or plotting to get rid of them for insurnace money—or parents killed by their P-offspring, or children killed or tortured by their P parents. None of this is as RARE as we WOULD LIKE TO THINK IT IS.
Dateline and other “news” shows are highlighting lately these “true crimes,” many of which are not solved for years. Just like the baby killed by her P-mother in Florida a while back. That whole family was dysfunctional to the max! Poor kid didn’t have a chance. Some of these crimes are fairly well “planned” or at least “covered up” fairly well.
Look at the Fake “Clark Rockefeller” case where the guy lived a false life for years and may have killed a couple in California 25 years ago as well. Or maryJo B, whose article and blog are on this site. Who would have “thunk” it? Would she have figured out what Joey was sooner? Or ever, if Amy hadn’t shot her? Even then it took her years.
I read a research article today a friend sent me that talks about the PUBLIC PERCEPTION of psychopaths, what they are, what caused it, what treatments are available, etc. and according to this research article, the PUBLIC KNOWS SQUAT about psychopaths. Really, the public knows VERY LITTLE about most mental illness or mental disorders.
So, that being the case, we are fighting an uphill battle to educate the public about psychopaths. Sure, WE know it needs to be done, but the very people we are trying to educate don’t even see a NEED to be educated about this. If you don’t see a need to learn something you are not likely to use your time and energy being educated about it, are you? WE see the need, because we have been “bitten” but others, even ones who have been bitten may not see that same need.
Hey everybody. Boy, you girls been talkin’ a blue streak since last night. It’s takern me two hours just to catch up. Hi Oxy. Thanks so much for your responce to my BPD post. I’m gonna shut up about it and just concentrate on getting better.
I know I’m entering the conversation a little late, but can I add my two-cents to the sex issues. Any time a start to wish I had a man, I remember the whole sex thing and change my mind. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I don’t like sex, I just don’t ever, as long as I live, want to feel like I have to have sex with someone who treats me like shit. I remember the emotional blackmail, the harrasment, the name calling, the sulking , the silent treatment, the whining…OMG. Never never never.
Yes Oxy, that’s why I’m trying to educate myself better so that I can analyze, categorize, verbalize, analogize and then communicate what we have experienced. Today, I happened upon an article in the NYtimes by Paul Krugman, a favorite columnist and also a nobel prize winner in economics. It’s long, but one paragraph where he quotes Alan Greenspan really hit me:
By October of last year, however, Greenspan was admitting that he was in a state of “shocked disbelief,” because “the whole intellectual edifice” had “collapsed.”
HAHA!
that could have been said by any one of us regarding our lives!!! The natural consequences of living with a narcissist is: a state of “shocked disbelief,” because “the whole intellectual edifice” had “collapsed.”
Anytime you find yourself in “shocked disbelief” and your “whole intellectual edifice” is “collapsed”, you need to look around for a narcissist. It’s what they do. If you don’t find the narcissist and don’t go NC, it will just happen again. The economy is run by NARCISSISTS!! How many of us don’t doubt that? What else would you call Bernie Maddoff? and all the other “wizards of wallstreet and rulers of the universe”?
To me, this tells me 2 things:
1. We, as a society, are in big trouble.
2. Society is so busy putting out the economic fires being lit by the narcissists in finance that they cannot see the scorched lives of people who were destroyed by a P.
That’s why I keep telling Mandy, and everyone else here, we need to do whatever we can to get the word out.
Jesus spoke in parables for a reason. Most people have a hard time comprehending complicated theories. People understand stories. They can relate to a concept if you use an analogy that they are familiar with. Alan Greenspan would be much more open to the concept of a P now, than he was 2 years ago. But different people respond to different stories. What I think is really important to communicate is :
1. How pervasive this disorder is.
2. How many faces and masks it can wear.
3. The far reaching effect that N’s have on everyone.
4. You don’t have to be stupid to be fooled, you just have to have been looking the wrong way for a moment and let your guard down.
I just finished the 9 page article by paul krugman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?pagewanted=8&em
Basically, it says the economic collapse was caused by economic theories based on the assumption that, “everyone is rational”.
LOL.
We, at LF, could be economic nobel prize winners.
There is no one who knows better than we, that everyone is not rational.
It’s a good read. check out the link.
“253 straight days in the gym to get this body and you’re not going to watch me in DirecTV HD?…It’s broadcast in 1080i. I totally don’t know what that means, but I want it.”
That’s Jessica Simpson doing an ad for DirectTV. I’m sure you’ve seen it. The ad has been pulled after cable companies sued because it was a blatent lie that DirectTV looks better than cable.
I can’t think of any ad that has more narcissism packed into it than this ad from DTV.
First there’s the “look at my body” statement.
But even more narcissistic is the infantile, “I totally don’t know what that means, but I want it”. To me that says, “I’m a stupid infant, don’t know anything, but I want everything I see.”
Lastly, there’s the fact that it was a lie.
I’m not even going to go into all the lies that DTV tells when you sign a contract with them. OMG. Just google it.
See? I told you I see narcissists everywhere.
skylar:
Oohhhhh, I get it now. Trojan Horse P’s. Yeah. Hey, now this makes a lot of sense. [leave it to Oxy…..to come up with this name….!Perfect] It also opens answers on why these people constantly cruise not only for victims but other P’s that will go along with their scams. This has given me answers to a lot of my PX’s behavior! Wow….now this light has popped on now!!!!!
Oxy: Talking about how the public doesn’t really know about P’s. This is so true. They think of them as the killers only. Plus: what I found that is so scary is: many lawyers and judges don’t know the depth of these socialized P’s.
Dear Twice,
We do become “attuned” to looking at the N and P traits of others once we have become interested in the traits.
It is like if you get a Poodle, you never noticed poodles before, but all of a sudden it is like everywhere you look, someone else has a poodle too. BECAUSE you start to NOTICE THEM. they were there all along, but now you NOTICE!!! Same with the N and P traits. Now that we know what they are, we see them in TV stars, we see them in the very people we didn’t notice them in before, now we have a name for it and we SEE it.
Not that there are more of them, just that we seem to notice and be aware more and our “N-dar” and “P-dar” is on ALERT more now and listening for the faintest “ping” from the approach of an N or a P.
We start to be aware of our intuition, and to listen to it more. Sure, sometimes it is on HYPER-alert and we may jump or “trigger” at the faintest “ping” of someone being selfish, or hateful, but that’s okay. Better safe than sorry where the Ps are concerned.
Several writers advise a “three strikes” rule in dealing with people, like if they tell you 3 lies, cut them off at the knees. Well, I have the ONE STRIKE RULE—lie to me ONCE, and I will cut you off at the knees—you are out of my life.
Steal from me ONCE and you are out of my life. Call me nasty names when you get angry and OUT! Try to cheat me ONCE and out you go.
Why am I so very HARSH? well, I have never given someoen (adults, we are talking about–little kids excepted) a second chance when they lied to me that was not a WASTE OF TIME. I have never given a CHEAT a second chance that paid off. So I will just skip the 2nd and 3rd “chances” and cut to the chase the first time some one is DISHONEST or particularly NASTY and HATEFUL. Saves a lot of hassle that way.