This past week I was talking on the telephone with my student and research assistant when he was mugged by a group of 5-7 thugs. One hit him from behind, knocking him down and another punched him in the abdomen. Ironically, among the items stolen was a copy of “Without Conscience” by Robert Hare.
Yesterday, my student asked me, “Those guys in the group who do have empathy and guilt, how do they feel about doing this? What makes them do it?” To which I replied, “I don’t think they feel a thing. They are likely all psychopathic (sociopaths). No one wants to admit just how many of them there are. So they draw an artificial line based on the PCL-R (a psychopathy test) and say these thugs are psychopaths and these thugs are non-psychopaths. They call them non-psychopaths even though their scores on the test are far from normal. They do this because they want to hold on to hope that most of them can change.”
Dr. Reid Melloy, a forensic psychologist with years of experience working with criminals has a method of classifying them that I think is more correct. He has four groups, not two, based on the PCL-R, non-psychopaths, and mild, moderate and severe psychopathy. I do concede that the thugs that assaulted my student likely had the syndrome to varying degrees; and we know the ring leader is likely severely affected.
That gets me to a recent article that received a great deal of news coverage. In one Fox News article were comments from experts who in the past I have criticized for irresponsible public comments. The article discusses data from a study published in a top journal, it doesn’t give the title but it is, The Antisocial Brain: Psychopathy Matters a Structural MRI Investigation of Antisocial Male Violent Offenders.
The title should say, “the degree of psychopathy matters”. When you see stories like this you have to watch out because my colleagues have rotating definitions of psychopathy that they pull out depending on what they need to fit their data. In some studies like this one, they use a cut-off high PCL-R score. In other studies they separate offenders into groups depending on whether or not they show empathy and remorse. So groups may contain the same PCL-R score but be defined in terms of differing symptoms.
The study basically showed that higher scores on the PCL-R are associated with a higher likelihood of finding a shrunken “emotional brain”. Before you go writing me asking that your ex be forced to undergo an MRI which will prove the presence of psychopathy, let me tell you what is not in the news article. You cannot use an MRI scan to diagnose psychopathy.
A diagnostic test has to be sensitive, meaning that it picks up your ex and everyone else with the condition. Well we already know that there is mild, moderate and severe. So do we want the test to pick up the mild or the severe group? That will depend on what your ex actually scored on the PCL-R. I am sure that a “mild” case of psychopathy, does not make for a good life partner. That is why for the purposes of Love Fraud any comparison between “ASPD” and psychopathy is meaningless.
A diagnostic test also has to be specific meaning that only psychopaths show the abnormality. There is no test for psychopathy that is sensitive and specific enough to be useful. This article only shows us the obvious, that very high levels of psychopathy are more likely to be related to observable changes in the brain than are lower levels of psychopathy.
Since the brain produces behavior, their brains have to be different. The behavior they produce is different. All of the thugs who attacked my student to steal “without conscience” have something wrong with their brains.
Dear Dupey,
Yes I thank the Lord we don’t have children together. I did get pregnant …..in fact that was when I left him.
He had wanted us to have a baby together ( i thought i was too old to get pregnant, tut) but the reality was that as soon as I did fall pregnant …he turned. Nasty. Very.
I lost the baby
Edit:
Knowing his track record……a number of abandoned children and their mums, I realise I had a lucky escape
Conscience? Don’t make me choke
Strongawoman, I am sorry for your loss.
((Callmeathena))
I’ve read all this, but it doesn’t apply to my P sister that I can determine.
I go back to what I said before about her off-the-wall, bizarre, weird conclusions.
Maybe we’ve hit on a few ways that this paranoia can manifest? Maybe there are more?
My X BF P was screwing a married woman (one of several) after his wife caught him with another woman and threw him out, this married woman said “I will leave my husband we’ll get married now that you are single.” He said, “No, I couldn’t do that, I couldn’t BREAK UP A FAMILY”
I looked at him and said, BREAK UP A FAMILY? What do you think you have done already? You are screwing the guy’s wife, if that’s not “breaking up a familY” I don’t know what is.” LOL Of course she was not raped, she participated willingly. But his idea of a moral compass was not “breaking up a family” LOL ROTFLMAO
He did tend to be a bit paranoid too…because he knew how HE thought and what HE would do for revenge. He burned the home of the woman he dated prior to me. He thought others would be that way too, and so since I didn’t want my house to burn I made sure he thought that my sons would come after him with a vengence….he believed me…he did get even with me in another way, but that was okay…my house didn’t burn. LOL
Hello G1S,
I’m not familiar with your experience…..but, correct me if I’m wrong,
haven’t there been suggestions that psychopathy can be compared to autism?
Autism is a language and communication disorder. It’s disordered thinking. psychopathy is definitely disordered…..
There’s one main difference as I see it. The autistic individual cannot help or control how they perceive their world. Psychopathy is an “evolved survival strategy”
In my experience, they know exactly what they’re doing. Perhaps she enjoys your perplexedness? …they are very twisted
The psychopathic is as cunning as an old fox.
The psychopath deliberately manipulates others for his or her own gain.
And my exes paranoia was exacerbated by his addiction to marijuana.
He believed in do unto others before they do it to you. Vile and full of hatred. Urgh …..what a way to live.
Oh yes he had the ability to care. For himself.
Strongawoman
Yes there is a link between autism and sociopathy. Skylar has done a lot of research on it. There is a book about it that is well done, called the SCIENCE OF EVIL….it’s on Amazon.
GIS
Sorry I didn’t realize you were looking for feedback.
Yes, I suspect you are right about your sister. She didn’t know what the right action was, so, she fumbled. She was grasping at thin air.
I saw my spath do the same thing. He tried to cry once when his parent died. I’m like, WTF was THAT noise. It was hilarious. He also said things that were supposed to be emotional, but got the delivery all wrong.
Kinda like your sister.
Athena