By OxDrover
In the book Games People Play, by Dr. Erick Berne, M.D., he explains what he calls “strokes,” or social exchanges. It has long been known that people require social interaction with other people and that this is a biological requirement for life itself in some cases. In orphanages, children whose basic physical needs are met, but who are not held and cuddled, literally die from a condition called “failure to thrive.”
The term “stroke” can be used as a general term for any intimate physical contact, but in practice it may take many forms, including conversation and recognition of another’s presence. In Dr. Berne’s opinion, “any social intercourse (even negative intercourse) is better than no intercourse at all.” [Parenthetical explanation added.]
He says that in experiments with rats, it didn’t matter if they were handled gently or shocked with electric shocks, they received many benefits from the “strokes” over rats that were not “stroked” at all.
The purpose of social contact revolves around somatic and psychic equilibrium. It relieves tension, helps avoid noxious situations, procures strokes and maintains the established equilibrium.
We (humans) have a stimulus hunger and “strokes” help us avoid emotional starvation, which can lead to biological deterioration. Even the most hardened prisoners and convicts need strokes—they fear and dread the punishment of solitary confinement above all others.
In Games People Play, Dr. Berne explains the theory called “Transactional Analysis” which is used to visualize human interaction, both healthy and unhealthy interactions. This is represented by an “Internal Parent, an Internal Child, and an Internal Adult.” These are symbolized by P, A and C.
The P, or internal Parent, is composed of the “shoulds and should-nots” that you internalized from your primary caregiver as you grew up. The “tapes” inside the P can be both negative and positive, or nurturing and critical, such as, “You are so stupid” or “You are pretty.” These “tapes” are absorbed and believed without any “editing” by the internal Child.
The A, or internal Adult, is the rational part of you that says for example “two + two = four.” There are no emotional components to the internal Adult.
The C, or internal Child is made up, not of “childish” things, but is the part of you that is creative, loving, wondering and fun loving.
Our internal Child needs strokes and stimulation, and the job of the Adult is to meet those needs. Unfortunately, sometimes the Adult works on faulty information derived from the internal Parent. Therefore the Adult doesn’t do a good job of finding what the Child needs.
The Child may be continually punished or put down by the internal Parent, so is in continual pain or confusion about what he (or she) needs or wants to be happy.
If our upbringing has been nurturing, we will have a more nurturing Parent who will not continually “beat” our internal Child. We will have a nurturing Parent who will comfort our Child when it is scared, lonely, etc. If we have had a more Critical Parent implanted in our soul and mind, then our Child may feel that he is “Not OK” and continually seek ways to receive strokes that may be negative, but ”¦ better than no strokes at all.
Have you ever noticed that when you are around a two year old and you get on the telephone, the child immediately begins to try to get your attention? If pulling at your leg doesn’t work, or climbing in your lap, it won’t be long before a lamp goes over and breaks. The child has learned even by age two that they want attention and if “positive” behavior doesn’t get it, knocking over the lamp sure will. It may be negative behavior, but it does get your attention. Even negative strokes are better than no strokes.
Learning how to get positive strokes, and not resorting to negative stroke behavior, is a life-long learning process, especially if you grew up having difficulty receiving positive strokes from those closest to you.
Psychopaths learn how to give FAKE positive strokes to hook us in. Strokes that we accept at face value as positive, and come to depend on. Later, when we are addicted to the strokes from our own personal psychopath, the strokes turn negative and painful, but we are so addicted to receiving strokes from this “super stroker,” that, contrary to any messages from our internal Adult saying “Hey, there’s something wrong here,” we put tape over the mouth of the Adult to shut him up.
Or, our internal Parent, if it is more critical than nurturing, reminds us that we deserve these negative strokes because we are not worthwhile individuals worthy of respect.
Transactional Analysis also uses the “Triangle” of Rescuer-Persecutor-Victim. We and the psychopath learn to play the “triangle game,” changing chairs like a game of musical chairs. One day the psychopath is our Rescuer, and we are the Victim, then the next day we Persecute their role as Victim, and on the third day we Rescue their Victim, only to start and stop the “music” on an almost daily basis.
“Games” are unconscious maneuvers in which roles are accepted, the “triangle” is utilized, and there is a “pay off” at the end for all parties playing. Dr. Berne, in Games People Play, describes these “games.” He also shows us how we can stop playing “games,” which preclude intimacy, and get off the “triangle.” Some of the names of the various games are very descriptive, like, “Let’s you and him fight.” Other games are “Why don’t you, yes, but ”¦” “Alcoholic,” “Cops and robbers,” “Let’s pull a fast one on Joey,” “Look how hard I’ve tried,” and my all time psychopath’s favorite, “If it weren’t for you.”
Transactional Analysis may not explain everything about the human psyche, but it does go a great ways in making our inner and outer world understandable in a simple language. It gave me a way to think in an orderly fashion about the “internal dialog” between my Critical Parent tapes and my Child. It gave me a way to use my Adult to nurture the Child inside me and to hit the MUTE button on the critical Parental injunctions that kept me from insisting on respect and reasonable treatment from those closest to me. It helped me distinguish the fake positive strokes from the real positive strokes, and helped me to decide that I can stroke myself, and don’t have to depend on negative strokes to survive.
Books I would recommend for further reading are:
Games People Play by Dr. Erick Berne, M. D.,
I’m OK-You’re OK by Thomas Harris M. D.\
Scripts People Live, by Claude M. Steiner.
I believe that I had a sociopath enter my life for ten years. The Sociopath used this book and the cons in it to destroy my life. I am a normal person. I don’t play games with people nor have I ever heard of such a book or anything in it. I think the book is foolish. He is a Sociopath, envis, jealous, evil. I cared for him and had lots of trust. But he was conning me. Lieing, stealing, tricking. I was the only person who did not know what was going on. He destroyed me in the community and a over ten year career. Once he was done with me I was forced out of work. He tuck everything. Is true, when dealing with a Sociopath you end up with nothing.
David, what is the book you refer to? Was the person who targeted you in a management position in your workplace? Or was the relationship of a personal nature? Whatever the context, people here do know how extremely painful and difficult to recover from any dealings with someone with sociopathic traits can be. Wishing you a peaceful day David.
Welcome david,
Yes,you were unfortunate enough to come into contact with a sociopath.This website is so helpful in helping victims to understand WHAT,WHY and even more importantly,WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE?!
David, You’re in the right place and you are not alone in describing the M.O. of the spath. If you keep reading articles, comments, and sharing, clarity will come your way and you will find yourself again.
I need to share, but where do I go from here? What do you do when a employer leaves you at fourty with very little way to find employment. I have lots to say, and I will soon do so. For now, thanks
David, your question is tough to answer as far as employment. I will try two suggestions I know of:
1. If you can, go to a temporary service. This is a great way, to get paid by the hour, try many different companies and your work becomes your “reference.”
2. If you have any friends or family members (with different last names than yours), see if they will be “work references” for you. This involves trickery, but you need a job and I believe in this situation (and often many others), you may have to finagle with honesty a little to get back to work.
I hope you will keep sharing here and hopefully gain the confidence and thought processes to regain your confidence and composure and get a job.
Thanks for help,and yes I will keep sharing. But the thing is I am middle aged. What, If I find a new career I don’t want. I will die In middle Management?
Hi David: It sounds as if your previous position was at a higher status in the organization and you feel uncomfortable accepting a job in middle management. Let me know if I am misunderstanding that.
When I was in college (which I started at the age of 35) I had a part time job in a career/training office. The counselors there used to tell people that the average person completely switches careers six times throughout their life time. Many people retrain into completely different careers. I started completely over at 35. I wanted a college degree and during that time, I worked as a temp, worked for minimum wage, etc.
I would like to suggest that you reframe your pain about what the sociopath at work did to you into a question: Would you rather be in upper management working for a sociopath or would you rather find a corporation or non-profit where you can work in a different type of position and be happy/fulfilled? Many people in high energy, high paying jobs who are not happy make decisions to be happy instead. They buy a small farm or open a franchise or go back to school (the medical areas are a great choice right now and many only require two years of school).
You might see if your local college or university offers a course in Career Exploration. These are usually 1 hour courses so not super expensive…especially at a community college. I know what it is like to mourn the loss of a career. I was a whistleblower and, therefore, have been told I will never be hired again unless I move far away from where I live now. I may do that when I get my home paid off. Until then, I am doing whatever I need to do to pay my bills and get that house paid off. You can do it too. I promise. I went through years of hell and chaos and got very ill. If I had to do it all over again, I would still blow the whistle, but I would have had another job FIRST. At the time, it was a situation that I was basically swept up in with only my best instincts to guide me. I did the right thing….just not in the right order!
For many people, middle management would be a dream come true IF they are in the right place for them. If WE believe in you, you just keep writing out what happened to you recognizing that you are not alone in having a horrific sociopath work environment. Donna Anderson, the woman who created this site, lost hundreds of thousands of dollars and she used it to create a life that she considers a gift. I get really, super depressed and down also about what has happened to me in my life. But, I WILL pay off this house and I will own something and I can get a little job someday somewhere and hopefully, it will make me happy. I don’t care about status. I only care about being at peace.
david,
I probably can’t answer your questions with the secure answer you want to hear.But if there’s one thing I’ve learned since leaving spath,it is that you get NO WHERE by standing still and asking too many questions~~~you sometimes just have to take a leap of faith in order to be happy! Still,”the ball is in your court”,and you have to do what makes you comfortable.
Lovely to see you Blossom. Donna passed on your message. Thank you for all your kindness to me these past months. I was thinking about oxy, truthy, Lou, and lots of others today and wishing they are doing well. We could do with their presence. Love to you.
Tea,
So glad!Yea,I’ve often wondered what happened to Oxy and the others that were here when I first came on.Maybe we’ll hear from them again soon!
I’d love to know how Lou is Blossom, she was a lifesaver to me in my aftermath as you know. Anyway let’s interpret it as they are all moving forward and doing well. So glad you’re still here. BBE also has been wonderful.
Tea,
I do remember Lou offering so many words of solace and wisdom.I remember Oxy and skylar with such fondness too! I do try to think that their lives are just full and busy,and that some day they’ll “drop in” and we’ll share a cyber “cup o tea” and catch up!
Cup o tea? Are you doing your Dick Van Dyke again?! Ok if you INSIST I’ll do my Eliza. Cor blimey guvnor! I’m in a right two and eight with all this commotion so I is! I’d give my front teef for a room somewhere so I would Professor Iggins. And so on. 😉
Tea,
LOL! That is good! 🙂 The English een me peeps out from teem to teem,wat kin I say my lady?!
Thanks two you both. I still get lost in being negative at times. I find my self comparing with others and what if. And I also know I can’t live in the past as well. But thank you for your responses and sharing. I look forward to other comments.
Hi David: Ten years is a long time to spend with a sociopath affecting you in every way. I believe it can be more devastating if putting up with a sociopath is the way you pay your bills, eat your food, the VERY roof over your head.
I hope you will be very patient with yourself as necessary. You do not have to move on quickly. That can be very frustrating…especially if you might be living with PTSD or depression in response to a sociopath. Both of those illnesses which can be caused by any types of abuse you endured from a Sociopath can cause lower self esteem, loss of faith in ones abilities, and shaming and blaming ourselves. It can take a lot of time to work on those feelings and reach a point where you trust your choices as you work through this. Allow yourself all the time you need and don’t enforce “quick” rules on yourself.
Do you have access to any counseling? If you do, I hope you will take full advantage of it. Also, if you go to the About link at the top of the page, a drop down link says “Archives.” Search through the articles or search specifically for any subject pertaining to sociopaths that might be helpful for you.
Let us be your support system, learn more about what you have been through, and be accepting of yourself and your feelings exactly where you are right now. It can take a lot of time to heal and there is no time table you must follow. You don’t need any more guilt or blaming of yourself from being targeted by a sociopath. Deal with it at your own pace and try to find a way to do something kind to yourself each day…even if it is just sitting and listening to music or going for a walk. Anything new will get your healthy brain neurons to start building pathways to recovery….but there is no hurry and no timetable.
David welcome to our community. Whether we encounter personality disordered people at home, in our families, at work, or anywhere else, having regular interactions with them takes its toll. I had a gm at work who I had to answer directly to for a good 5 years until he finally left. He was manipulative, aggressive, arrogant, deceptive, he was very sharp, he was very slick, and I was his special target. After he left several others who worked there including the owner openly acknowledged how he had it in for me. It’s hard to say in context how much damage I sustained from this one guy because I was dealing simultaneously with my new wife (which I now believe is a psychopath ), and 2 others in my other business and my place of worship. Yes I was juggling at least 4 cluster B personality types. Do Not try this at home kids ! Without babbling on too much about my situation, bottom line, it really has devastated me in every way possible. The other posters have all given you good advice. Everyone’s situation is a bit unique. I’m not out of my situation completely but at least at work the stress is much lessened. I’m doing better now. Do you know why ? Not because I’m free yet, I still have tons of misery in store. Right now my life is very small. I have very little in my life to get excited about. Most people in my community think I’m off my rocker. I’ve lost many friends. Better ? Yes because Since I have begun to educate myself the crushing weight sitting on my chest is lifting. Learning to identify what has been happening to me, finding accurate information is the first step in the fog lifting allowing more light in. Without first really digging in and researching and reading extensively I don’t think I would have the hope, the vision that one day soon I will be free of all this. Hang in there. If you need to vent come here. If you have questions you’ll find a lot of experience here as well.
Hi4Light2shine:
It sounds like you have truly been through it. I am glad you responded to David’s post because we don’t have a large male population here and I think it is very nice when men can share with other men here.