An evil person is one who exploits or harms most everyone he/she encounters; the question of the utmost importance is do evil people share certain personality characteristics? Perhaps personality type has nothing to do with evil. We all know that every person has made bad moral choices at one time or another so perhaps people who repeatedly make bad moral choices are no different than anyone else.
There are many reasons to consider whether evil people have a special or different personality type. For Lovefraud readers, the best reason is to define and learn to recognize a group of people to avoid.
The assertion that evil people share a common personality type has profound philosophical and practical implications. This assertion implies that while occasionally doing evil is part of all of us, repeatedly doing evil is not. But what does repeatedly mean? Shouldn’t everyone who has made a bad moral choice get a second chance? What about those who have made two bad choices? Perhaps if we can identify an evil person by his/her characteristics, then we can say that he/she should not be given another chance.
The PCLR is born
I believe it was this line of thinking that lead Dr. Robert Hare to develop his Psychopathy Checklist, now Psychopathy Checklist Revised (PCLR). He was working in the prison system and he wanted to describe the characteristics of people most likely to re-offend. He wanted to identify the evil doers.
Dr. Hare was very successful. The PCLR does identify a group of people who are likely to re-offend and who are very evil. But, somehow this attempt to define with a rating scale, a group of criminals who are most likely to re-offend has become much more. The results of this one instrument are increasingly seen as defining a personality type called psychopathy. It turns out that fancy statistics on the answers to the PCLR reveal that some of the answers group together in “factors.” These factors have become the basis for defining psychopathy itself.
The psychopathic personality is more complex than the PCLR
As Drs. Lynam and Widiger point out in their recent paper Using a general model of personality to identify the basic elements of psychopathy, “In the original derivations, the authors (Hare and colleagues) were fairly careful about referencing the factor structure of the instrument (PCLR) rather than the composition of psychopathy”¦ Since that time, however, the measure has almost become the construct (psychopathy), and more recent authors are more likely to write about the structure of psychopathy than the structure of the instrument.”
Lynam and Widiger suggest, and I agree “that factor analyses of the PCL-R are unlikely to reveal the core components of psychopathy.” Therefore, the use of the PCLR to define the psychopathic personality is problematic. It is more useful to find out if there is indeed a “personality type” that is prone to evil. The best way to do this is to use a personality test that has been developed to understand personality in general (the NEO PI-R*, method 1), in conjunction with an inventory like the PCLR (method 2) and expert ratings (method 3). With these methods combined we can describe the personality type of those prone to evil and then extend the findings to non-criminals.
The evil personality
Using these methods, Lynam and Widiger have demonstrated that there is a personality type prone to evil. So now I will tell you who to avoid, and also more importantly who to seek out!
“We believe that these 12 traits** for which there is agreement across all three methods, constitute the core elements of psychopathy. According to these traits, psychopathy consists of extremely low agreeableness”¦The psychopath is cunning and manipulative, greedy and exploitive, oppositional and combative, boastful and arrogant, and callous and ruthless. Relatedly, the psychopath lacks interpersonal warmth. The psychopath is pan-impulsive, marked by the impulsive end of each of the personality pathways to impulsive behavior”¦ The psychopath also appears immune to embarrassment and shame, potentially important emotions for the social control of behavior. Not surprisingly, the psychopath is also undependable and unethical.”
The Inner Triangle again
I believe that the three clusters of personality traits Lynam and Widiger have identified correspond to what I have called The Inner Triangle. The lack of agreeableness and warmth relate to ability to love. Identify a psychopath by his/her inability to really love and take care of others.
Identify a psychopath/sociopath by his/her poor impulse control. Lastly, psychopaths have a lack of moral emotions- embarrassment, guilt and particularly shame. This lack of moral emotions impairs moral reasoning in the psychopath/sociopath.
The combination of poor ability to love, poor impulse control and poor moral reasoning predict evil in people with narcissistic and borderline personality disorder just as these qualities cluster and predict evil in psychopaths/sociopaths.
Who to seek out
Surround yourself with people who have a well developed Inner Triangle! Love people who are warm and have a track record of self-sacrifice for others. Trust only those who can control their own impulses. Admire only those who experience embarrassment, guilt and shame. Depend only on those who are dependable. Since sociopaths/psychopaths are con artists, get proof of these qualities by first hand observation before you ascribe them to anyone.
* The NEO PI-R has been used to develop the five factor model of personality. This model can be remembered with the acronym OCEAN: O-openness to experience, C-conscientiousness, E-extraversion, A-agreeableness, N-neuroticism. Openness to experience (O: fantasy, aesthetic, feelings, actions, ideas, values), Conscientiousness (C: competence, order, dutifulness, achievement striving, self-discipline, deliberation), Extraversion (E: warmth, gregariousness, assertiveness, activity, excitement seeking, positive emotions), Agreeableness (A: trust, straightforwardness, altruism, compliance, modesty, tender mindedness), and Neuroticism (N: anxiousness, angry hostility, trait depression, self-consciousness, impulsiveness, vulnerability)
**Twelve traits were consistently identified by Lynam and Widiger as either low or high in psychopaths. The psychopath is low in 5 facets of A (Straightforwardness 1, Altruism 2, Compliance 3, Modesty 4, Tender mindedness 5, three facets of C (dutifulness 6, self-discipline 7, and deliberation 8), and one facet each of N (self-consciousness 9) and E (warmth 10); the psychopath is high in impulsiveness 11 from N and excitement seeking 12 from E.
Dear OXY. About 35 posts back on this thread,”Are they just evil people?” I mentioned that Id found some info re the S. African lady from cape Flats, whose son was a drug addict,{addicted to a drug called Tik} . You didnt answer, so I assume you either didnt read it, or arent interested . Can you le me know if you are?
Ive sent away for a book about this lady, and Id like to get a copy for you. Love, Gem.XX
Dear Gem, Yes, I AM interested very much. Send Donna your e mail and ask her to forward it to me, and she will then I will answer you back with a PO box to snail mail me. I’ve been having awful trouble with my computer hook up today, keeps disconnecting, plus son D brought home a flu-like virus from a “Wilderness Emergency Medicine” course he took 10-12 days ago and he and I have been under the weather with a “light” case of the flu, we just want to die, don’t think we ARE dying! LOL
I am just wrung out, got up at 9, took a nap from 12-3:00 p.m. today and still at nearly 6 p.m feel exhausted. He is finally back to himself today and has been outside working a bit but I just don’t have the get up and go I usually do. Sitting at the computer is about all I can do and washed a dish or two (we were out of spoons) fortunately I have enough food cooked to do us another couple of days before I have to get up and cook. He is an angel about eating whatever will hold body and soul together from the pantry if I don’t feel like cooking or will raid the refrigerator for left overs for 3-4 days in a row of eating the same thing. No one is beating me up about doing nothing except ME! LOL
Of course Fat Ass had to get out of the pasture onto the highway in a blind curve a couple of days ago and we had to drag outselves out of bed to go hunt him and find the hole in the fence. I think the asses are both psychopathic, with Fat the worst of the two! At least Hairy stayed in the pasture and brayed to try to lure Fat back. Finally he did come back near the gate. My egg donor called and said the neighbors had said he was out. I thanked her. Then she called back to say he was by the gate to the pasture in her yard. I thanked her. Then today my phone rang it was her. She said she thought I had called her! I thanked her for calling me the other day to alert me that Fat was out and told her that “No, I didn’t call you, you must have pushed the wrong button on your phone. Thanks again. Bye now” And believe me or not, I didn’t get upset about it. I just smiled at her attempt to call me and deny calling me at the same time. LOL
I’ll just take it easy another day or two and quit beating myself up for resting after this bout with some kind of flu-like illness. Not serious, just a PITA (pain in the arse) LOL (((Hugs))) and thanks I would love to have the book about that woman. I hope it means she did not go to prison for life for what she did. Maybe at least it get her some empathy from the police and courts. ((((Hugs))) and thanks
Ox, Sorry you are under the weather, but BOINK. It’s okay to rest and take care of yourself. Make glue out of Hairy and fat-ass if they dont agree, as for egg-donar, well done!
Dear Kim, you have no idea how close Fat Ass was to being a bottle of glue! I had a wonderful lovely cow once who learned about jumping the cattle guard and getting out on the road, and livestock on the road is DANGEROUS especially where I live with the natural gas trucks barreling up and down the road at well over the speed limit almost bumper to bumper on the 2 lane black top. I really loved that cow, but I ended up putting her arse in the freezer because I didn’t want to have to keep a gate closed all the time and get out in the rain and open and close it every time I left the farm or came in.
I’ve dun-em in for less than that, and as long as I am dictator here on the farm it is my way or the butcher shop! Actually, I will give him a pass this time as the fence was down in an out of the way place and I am sure he didn’t actually mean to escape, just stepped over the down fence, but if he takes to jumping fences (which mules and donkeys do sometimes) he will have to wear a chain hobble and if that doesn’t work, guess what! Donkey burgers! My grandfather had to hobble all his mules or they would jump fences, it is like a leather collar around their ankle with 6-8 feet of fairly heavy chain attached and if they try to run, they either step on it or trip, or if they are jumpers, you chain a front foot to a back foot on the opposite side and they can’t get their front feet off the ground in order to jump so they stay on the ground and not in the air. Actually you can’t do this to a horse as they would FREAK out, but donkeys and mules are much smarter than horses and won’t freak out over it even the first time you put it on them.
I had to take my standard jelly (female donkey) to a historical event once and she hadn’t been off the farm in 10 yrs so I hobbled her when I got there as I figured someone would shoot off a canon or something and I didn’t want her breaking away and RUNNING into a crowd. She did just great until some jerk did shoot off a canon and she STAMPEEDED up and down in place! Funniest thing I ever saw! Braying and jumping up and down in one place, with stuff flying off every which way from the pack saddle. I still have a 30 second “mental video” of that scene in my head!
She did well the rest of the event and loved the kids feeding her slices of bread! I had taken her for a pay off on a bet I lost, I had said I would kiss someone’s arse if I lost—so I GAVE her to him, complete with calligraphy scroll, and then since she was HIS ARSE—I kissed her! He really didn’t want her but it got me out of a tight spot and I Didn’t WELCH on my BET! I kissed his arse in front of my 100 closest friends from the history group! Great story and lots of fun!
I’ll live over this flu-like crud, could have been worse! And YES, thanks for the BOINK, I WILL take care of myself. (((hugs)
Any leads on a job? How is the SIL doing? Hope you don’t have to kiss his arse too much! LOL gott’ya! LOL
smOxy I am sorry your feelin poorly. At least you have your son there to look after you. I got real sick the other nite and sure wish I had had someone here to hold my head while I puked, it’s time’s like that when being alone really hit’s me hard. Oh I could put that in my list of things I want in a mate, somebody to hold my head while I puke, that would be loverly in a eharmony profile..
So Shabbychic if you read this tell me whats going on with you? Did you take back your spath?? I cant find the thread where you were talkin about seeing him..i only get on here late in the evening and it’s hard to keep up…….
Oxy still no job forthcoming. Much better with SIL, for the time being, but, this can’t go on forever.
Made wonderfull home-made pizza tonight, 4 kinds, supreame, pepperonni, 4- cheese and Margueritta…YUMM. It helps, a little.
Glad that Fat-ass and Hairry got away with their hooves. intact, this time. Smart asses. 🙂 Gotta love ’em.
Dear Henry,
Yea, that would be a great profile for a dating site! LOL ROTFLMAO I had both my hands operated on for carpal tunnel at the same time so had both hands in splints with only the tips of the fingers sticking out—fortunately my husband was alive at that time, cause you sure find out who your FRIENDS are when you have to have someone do EVERYTHING for you! LOL
Fortunately this isn’t a stomach flu, just the fever and bone aches and head ache and feeling like pounded dog doo. Son D had it worse than I did. It could be the H1N1, it is still going around and because we had our shots early, the immunity could have partly worn off, it isn’t as bad as a “full blown” influenza but not fun in any case.
I just hate not getting anything done, especially after I felt so good last week and accomplished so much! Oh, well!!! Gotta quit beating myself up! I think sometimes I’m my own worst slave driver! I would never treat anyone else as bad as I treat myself! I think partly that is what is “wrong” with all of us here, we are here because we treat others better than we treat(ed) ourselves, so I’m trying to learn to do better.
Kimmie, you can come live with me and be my cook!!!! Of course I may get to where I weight 500 pounds and have to go on America’s Biggest Loser! In which case I will have to have you lock me in the closet to keep me away from food! It is bad enough with me cooking for myself!
I’m being a good girlie and have quit beating myself on the head!
Oxy, Sorry you’re not feeling well…I just went through an awful stomach bug myself 2 weeks ago…I threw up so many times, I swear things were coming OUT of my stomach that never went INTO my stomach. And you’re sooo right Henry about being alone when you’re sick…it sucks! I was begging my cat to bring me a cold washcloth but noooooo…They can sit right there on the sink…even nudge the faucet, but help me when I’m dying? Nope. I almost put out a FaceBook plea for someone…ANYONE…to please leave gingerale, or jello on my front steps…or slip a banana into my mail slot before I dehydrated or starved. YES Henry, it’s nice to have someone that loves you there when you really need help and comfort.
I’ve been watching Idol Gives Back for a while tonight. They just showed some heart wrenching video from Ethiopia…this little girl with AIDS…I was thinking about all the poor innocent babies born HIV positive…no fault of their own…so much suffering ahead of them. Here the show is trying to raise money and awareness…partly for AIDS and it’s devastation…and it hit me…My EX-S/P!! Not that he has AIDS (maybe by now, who knows) but he and all the rest like him, just go around having unprotected sex without a care in the world…no regard for anyone or their health. It makes me sick…and it makes me cry…
Sorry you guys are under the weather. I don’t know if I could hold anybody’s head while they puked. I’d probably start puking too. I guess that kills my chances with you, doesn’t it, Henry? LOL
I just worked an 11-hour day, and I’m wiped.
star did you mean whipped or wiped? oh star i will just be sick by myself but if yall start smelling something bad call my son and tell him I died….sometimes i think thats the only way anyone would know oh poor me… ):