I received this question from a woman who is divorcing a man she believes has the traits of a psychopath (according to the psychopathy checklist):
“What psychological tactics can you suggest in dealing with a psychopath? There must be some tools and strategies to stay a step ahead. I’ve read books on identifying liars and tried to educate myself on strengthening my position in recognizing The Predator. There has to be some guidelines somewhere on How to Ride That Horse. I have had hundreds of horses throughout my life and pride myself on being able to ride anyone that crosses my path. Although this horse has been the most difficult and I continue to be dragged, trampled and kicked, I continue to get back up, dust myself off and try again. I have learned much and he has been a great teacher…..but in the final stages of our divorce, he is throwing some wild curve balls and I’m desperately trying to stay in the saddle. I ride all my horses softly, gently…..Can you offer tools for the arsenal?”
Before answering this question I want to make some important comments. Many people have reasons for needing and desiring relationships with people who are very sociopathic/psychopathic (sociopaths). In my view, there are only two legitimate reasons for having interactions with someone you believe may be “a sociopath.” The first is that the person is your boss and you haven’t yet found another job, and the second is that there is a court order commanding you to. That the sociopath is charming, attractive, wealthy, your son, daughter, friend, lover, mother, father or some other relation, is not a good enough reason to risk yourself and others.
Whenever you interact with a sociopath, you not only risk yourself, you risk others. Sociopaths weave a web of deception that is supported by the many relationships they have. If people refuse to participate in the sociopath’s life he/she will be very limited in his/her ability to harm anyone. Sociopaths/psychopaths know how to surround themselves with people who give them legitimacy in the minds of others and who serve as “cover.” They will use anyone for this purpose, especially ministers, priests and rabbis, and of course, children.
If you desire to have a relationship with a known sociopath there is something wrong with you. That something can be ignorance of the disorder and its dangerousness. A sense of grandiose invincibility and a love of risk taking can also feed into this desire. If you are an adventurous risk-taker, take up blizzard mountain exploration or sky diving, but keep away from sociopaths. Many people write me with a tone of wonder, awe and admiration for sociopaths. Save your wonder, awe and admiration for the Grand Canyon, the pyramids of Egypt, or the true miracles of life, please. (Here I am referring also to the women who send love letters to known killers and serial killers.)
Those comments out of the way, how can you cope successfully with a sociopath/psychopath? First, remember that these people are Driven to Do Evil. Just like you wake up every day and feel your drives and desires, sociopaths/psychopaths wake up every morning and “It’s show time!” Whereas your goals are intimately related to the love and compassion you feel for others, a sociopath’s goals are intimately related to his/her desire to gain power over others. If you don’t understand this at the core of your being, you will not be able to deal with sociopaths. Second, imagine a moment what your life would be like if guilt, empathy and compassion did not enter into your decision making processes. Imagine that your decisions were based solely on your judgments regarding what would benefit you.
Now imagine both together, a Drive to Do Evil and no guilt, empathy or compassion. A sociopath is a sports car with an accelerator and no braking system. Now you can see why I say only an ignorant, crazy or suicidal person would voluntarily choose to ride this horse, or drive this car!
I have just armed you with the mental picture of the sociopath who you are compelled to deal with. To successfully cope, keep this picture in your mind at all times. Ignore any of the sociopath’s actual appearance or behavior. Keep all conversations brief and to the point. Set firm boundaries and never give an inch. Insist that you get everything due you, and that the sociopath abide by his/her end of any court orders, or job descriptions. Most importantly, STOP expecting that the sociopath will behave like anyone other than who he/she is. A sociopath is a person who is Driven to Do Evil and who lacks, guilt, empathy and compassion.
To make this point further, let us consider our friend’s analogy of the psychopath and our relations with him/her to the horse and horseback riding. Horses are domesticated animals. Domestication means they have been bred to have the capacity for submissive behavior and impulse control. These two (submissive behavior and impulse control) are supported by a very complicated biology that includes hormones and brain structure. The psychopath lacks both the brain structure and hormonal profile to behave submissively or even consistently cooperatively. The best horse analogy to the sociopath is the horse who dies in the process of being ridden because s/he lacks the substrate for domestication. This horse is not a challenge, s/he is a waste of time and energy.
So stick with the horses that have been beautifully trained to compete in the show ring, and who lovingly wait by the fence for you to appear. These horses enjoy cooperation and don’t mind having to submit occasionally. The untrainable horses are a complete waste of time. Surround yourself with people you know to be primarily motivated by love and compassion. To do otherwise, is a complete waste of time and energy.
Once again SecretMonster, you are correct. You have called me on my BS. You also made me think about it in a different light. I don’t think of what I do as evil but viewed from another’s perspective, something I am not very good at doing, It could be seen as evil. Your experience is something I am lacking but I am trying.
Nietzsche is now on my reading list. Do you recommend any other books that I should look into? I have been on a self exploration phase lately and have quite a few books already accumulated but I still feel I am lacking.
I can think of a few – the old adage “Misery loves company” comes to mind. I can reasonably see being so angry at the world for the condition, that it somehow is vindicative to be kind of a typhoid Mary, and spread the plague even further.
You also have to realize that a lot of these guys aren’t driven by the same motive as I am – don’t get caught. So, it isn’t in their play book to avoid these sorts of complications or confrontations. It’s likely part of the thrill of the entire encounter. You have the romance, the string along, and the reveal. It’s almost like a bad movie script.
SecretMonster
Maybe you’re right. He must have been a complete idiot to think he could move into this town and get away with that, and me actually never find out- or he knew I would eventually, and infact wanted me to. So as it stands, he’s gotten away with it- but his secret is out…and spreading…probably just like his disease.
Hi-I know my daughter is a sociopath. She has no guilt, no matter what she does. Some examples–she “accidently” burned down the house they were living in-she had a candle lit to cover marijuana smells-she felt no guilt-even though her family was homeless. She was invited to a church dinner and stole money from people’s purses-she tears pages out of library art books and frames them as her own and then returns the books…..she has stolen all of her life…….now she is a mother and is teaching by example to her beautiful daughter……
I would like to draw your attention to the recent Robert D Hare scientific paper which came out in 2007. That paper says that there is some kind of SUPERfactor that defines psychopathy. I will post an abstract below followed by two question/thoughts :
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The super-ordinate nature of the psychopathy checklist-revised. Neumann Craig S; Hare Robert D; Newman Joseph P Department of Psychology, University of North Texas, Denton, TX 76203-1280, USA. csn0001@unt.edu Journal of personality disorders (2007), 21(2), 102-17. Journal code: 8710838. ISSN:0885-579X. United States. Journal; Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE) written in English. PubMed ID 17492916 AN 2007284846 MEDLINE
Abstract
Psychopathy, while perhaps the earliest and most recognized personality disorder, is the subject of intense debate about its nature and measurement. The most recent proposal on its structural nature suggests that it is a multifaceted construct, made up of at least four dimensions reflecting Interpersonal, Affective, Lifestyle, and Antisocial anomalies (Hare & Neumann, 2005, 2006). These dimensions are significantly interrelated, suggesting that they are indicators for a super-ordinate factor. The nature of this higher-order factor may reflect the unifying feature which comprehensively defines the disorder. To examine this super-factor, the current study used several very large data sets of male (N = 4865) and female (N = 1099) offenders, and forensic psychiatric patients (N = 965), who were assessed with the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R; Hare, 2003). Structural equation modeling results indicated that the four first-order factor dimensions could be explained by a single second-order cohesive super-factor.
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1. if super factor exists does it mean that there could be some ONE magic question which would give an answer if you deal with psychopath :))) ?
2. Does this super-factor concept contradict “inner-triangle” theory or in fact it does not contradict? Since inner triangle has to have all 3 features present in psychopath does that mean that there could be that super factor which defines all three?
abstract sounds interesting for me, any one can translate that paper into “normal language”? :)))
MY EX DID THE SAME THING. FROM THE OUTSIDE HE LOOKED LIKE A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. HE CAME ON STRONG THE PERFECT GENTLEMAN. EVERYHTING WAS PERFECT FOR ABOUT THE FIRST YEAR. I TRIED TO KEEP MY GUARD UP, SOMETHING TOLD ME TO KEEP MY HEAD ABOUT ME. MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY DIDN’T LIKE HIM AT ALL. BUT THEY SAID NOTHING BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT I WAS HAPPY. HE WAS NEVER PHYSICALLY VIOLENT WITH ME. BUT THEIR WAS AN UNDERCURRENT THAT I COULD FEEL OF EXTREME VIOLENCE. I WAS SCARED. HE DID AND SAID THINGS THAT JUST DIDN’T MAKE ANY SENSE. HE ASKED ME TO PUT HIM IN MY WILL AND TO PUT HIM ON MY HOUSE TITLE. I THANKFULLY DIDN’T DO IT. HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN EVERTHING. HE HAD PAID FOR A POOL IN MY HOME AND USED THAT AS THE REASON. BUT THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT FOR ME TO PAY BACK THE POOL. IT WAS A GIFT. LITTLE BY LITTLE HE STARTED TO LET ME SEE THE REAL HIM. I DIDN’T LIKE WHAT I SAW. HE HAD ALOT OF GUNS AND AMMO. WHICH HE MOVED INTO MY HOME. HE STARTED BUYING ALOT OF POT AND KEEPING AT MY HOME. I FELT HELPLESS TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE EVERTIME I WOULD BRING IT UP, HE WOULD EITHER PUT ME DOWN OR TELL ME I WAS PARANOID. HE STARTED OUT AS AN RECREATIONAL DRINKER & POT SMOKER TURNED INTO ALL DAY & NIGHT, NEVER SOBER. BUT WHEN HE HANDED ME HIS PHONE TO GIVE SOME GUY DIRECTIONS TO MY HOME TO COME AND BUY POT FROM HIM, THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW. I COULDN’T LET THIS HAPPEN. HE TOLD ME HE HAD BEEN DEALING DRUGS FROM HIS HOME FOR YEARS. THIS GUY WAS A RETIRED PAROLE OFFICER. HE WAS MAD AT ME BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER ALLOW HIS FRIENDS TO COME TO THE HOUSE. THAT SIMPLE WASN’T TRUE AND MADE NO SENSE. I TOLD HIME TO LEAVE OR I WOULD CALL THE POLICE. HE LEFT THE NEXT DAY. TWO MONTHS LATER HE SLAPPED A LAWSUIT ON ME. IT’S NOT OVER YET HE IS STILL AFTER ME FOR THE MONEY. I AM NOW FIGHTING FOR MY HOME AND FUTURE FROM THIS MONSTER. HE HAS NEVER ADMITTED TO DOING ANYTHING WRONG. HE IS PLAYING THE COMPLETE VICTIM. MAKING ME OUT TO BE THE GOLD-DIGGER AND SOCIOPATH. I JUST CAN’T BELIEVE I GOT MYSELF INTO THIS.
SHOWBIRDZ
Showbirdz – So, easy to get into these relationships with these wily monsters and getting out can also be very tricky. But thank God you kept your wits about you and you have got him out of your home – that is a huge step for the good, because then his direct manipulation and access to you and all the nonsense and illegal stuff he brought to your home stops. Cant you just give him the pool money to get rid of him once and for all?
BEVERLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVISE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I WOULD PAY HIM OFF IF I COULD. I HAVE A MORTGAGE AND AN EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT THAT IS BEING USED FOR MY LAWYER EXPENSES. I LIVE HAND TO MOUTH. NO SAVINGS. I HAVEN’T LIVED IN MY HOME 2 YEARS YET, SO I CAN’T REFI BUT EVEN THEN THE BANKS AREN’T GOING TO LEND ME MORE THAN THE HOUSE IS WORTH. I’M BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. BUT MY LAWYER SAYS HE DOESN’T HAVE A CASE. I’VE SPOKEN WITH A FEW LAWYERS AND THEY ARE SUPRISED THAT HE WAS ABLE TO FILE A SUIT ON ME. I NEVER AGREED TO PAY NOR DID I SIGN ANYTHING TO REPAY. HE WAS WORKING ON THAT BUT I KEPT REFUSING. I’M SURE WITH TIME, IF I HADN’T COME TO MY SENSES, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MY HOME TOO.
SHOWBIRDZ
Dr Leedom, that is a wonderful response to this woman’s question.
I would like to add a bit to your explination. Years ago before I went into the medical field, I worked as a wild life photographer in Africa and South Americal. I got to know quite a bit about wild animals, and wild animals in captivity.
I am also a life long horse trainer. I also used to think that I could get up and dust myself off and get back on the rankest of horses, and even did so with a BROKEN LEG.
It is sort of like the old country and western song about the “winner”–an old man sitting in a bar talking to a younger man about how the old man is always a “winner” in bar room fights. he h as had an eye gouged out, but he “won” he had his legs broken, but he “won” the fight by inflicting more pain on the “loser” and on and on, and the old man shows that even though he “won” every bar room brawl he was in, he is a broken hulk of a man, barely able to walk–but he was a WINNER! LOL
I have a farm with quite a bit of large stock, cattle, horses, donkeys etc. but I made a RULE years ago, after getting back on the horse that deliberately broke my leg, that ANY animal no matter the monetary worth that TRIED to deliberately hurt me (whether they succeeded or not) DIED. Period. No second chances. Large stock can hurt you without meaning to, either through fear or pain, but an animal that WANTS TO HURT YOU, and I have had horses and cattle like that, is NOT WORTH THE RISK.
I wish I had applied that logic years ago to people as well. As I had unwisely gotten back on the horse that broke my leg before I went to the ER, tried to “control” and “tame” the untameable Ps. How foolish on my part was that? What did it prove that I got back on the EVIL horse? Or that I “got back on” the Evil P? That I was tough enough to endure their injuries and get back up?
Now, older and wiser, anyone who TRIES to hurt me is not worth the RISK of trying to deal with them unless I am forced to and as far as risking my chldren being around a P, I am afraid I would break the law and take them and RUN and hide. In the case of dire necessiaty to protect my child from molestation, laws and courts be hanged–I am gone.
At age 60 I have finally gotten wise enough to realize that I can’t “defeat” them without becoming like the “winner” in all the barroom brawls—injured and infirm–and at some point I will “lose” the fight and they will finish me off. What kind of life is that?
A mean horse, whatever the reason it is trying to hurt me, even if it is “mean” because it was formerly abused, is not something that I want to risk my life and my soul to try to “rehabilitate” it is just not worth the risk. Ditto with EVIL humans…it is not worth the risk to fight with them. Besides, it will NOT work.
My symapthy goes out to those valiant men and women who battle with them day to day to try to raise their children in the chaos and pain created by these monsters, who will use their own children as battering rams and baseball bats to try to injure their x’s—How sad is that? How messed up is our court system to fail to realize and recognize these monsters for what they are and to give some comfort to these defenders of their young?
Wild animals can never be completely “tamed” or their danger over come, the tiger incident in Las Vegas is a wonderful and horrible example of this fact. Anyone who thinks otherswise is either ignorant, foolish or stupid. They are and always will be WILD animals. They do not understand the “love” and “kindness” shown to them by their “owners” the way a dog does. But a dog is thousands of generations away from the wolf from which they all sprang geneticly. Not so the tigers and lions and wolves of this world. Even if you take them away from their mothers at birth and raise them on a bottle, they will NOT fail to be tigers or lions when they grow up, they will just be tigers and lions that have NO RESPECT OR FEAR OF HUMANS the way wild ones do. So actually, they are MORE dangerous than their wild brothers.
To me, the “domesticated” P is more dangerous than the one who has not learned the social skills necessary to “pass for human.”