By Ox Drover
Many people think of the term “judging others” in a negative way. I think a lot of this comes from the Biblical admonition found in which Jesus said, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). Matthew 7:2-5 says, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.
I frequently hear others say, “Well, I’m not judging him ”¦” when they talk about how someone they know has done something that is less than morally upright. When I was a young person in this community of mostly Scots-Irish Protestants, people were frequently “judged” or compared to community standards of behavior. If a woman or girl had a child out of wedlock, she was judged for doing so. She was held up to a standard of behavior that she had publicly failed to meet. Her child, unfortunately, was also “judged” because of the mother’s behavior. In fact, I have a friend who was born of an adulterous affair, and “everyone” knew who her father was, and though no one was nasty to her face, my friend still grew up feeling “judged” as a “bastard.” She had a “rough” childhood and adolescence, which included drug use, and early, promiscuous sexual behavior as a result of her feeling judged. Fortunately, she was able to pull herself out of her downward spiral, escape the vicious psychopath that she married. (He was charged with killing his mistress’s husband in a cold-blooded, execution-style murder.) My friend escaped from this man, married a good man, and has managed to raise her own daughter as a “good kid.” She has also managed to salvage her self-esteem and her place in the community as a well-liked and respected member of this community
What is “judging” exactly? What is fair judgment, and what is unfair judgment? Well, to me, “judging” what a person thinks or “reading their mind” is “magical thinking” and it is not possible to do fairly. No matter what people do, I can’t really know what they were thinking. One of the things that frustrated me the most in dealing with this “mind reading” was the gaslighting my egg donor did when she excused herself for lying to me by saying that if she had told me the truth I would have been so upset I would have “thrown a fit” because she loaned money to the psychopath my son had sent to infiltrate our family. I was so upset at the time that she presumed to be able to “read my mind” and I swore to her that I would not have “thrown a fit.” But how do you prove a negative when someone presumes to be able to read your mind and predict your behavior?
Mind reading and behavior prediction, based upon the ability to magically read one’s mind, is unfair judgment. It is, I think what Jesus was condemning in Matt 7:1 “Judge not least ye be judged.” However, showing discernment in our observations is not the kind of “judgment” that Jesus was condemning. James 3:11-12 says (11) Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? (12) Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives or a grapevine bear figs? No spring yields both salt water and fresh. The author James is showing us here that we ought to be able to discern things that are right and good versus things that are bad by observation, not mind-reading ”¦ and that we should be able to see that a grapevine should bear grapes, and a fig tree figs, not the other way around. We ought to be able to look at a person’s “fruit” (behavior) and tell what that person is.
When we deal with a psychopath, many times they wear a “mask” to cover up what they are doing; they tell lies to throw us off the track. We aren’t perfect ourselves, and we know that we aren’t perfect, so we try not to “judge” others to a standard of perfection which we ourselves cannot reach. However, by trying to be empathetic to others and to not “judge” them, when we know ourselves not to be perfect, we sometimes go to the other extreme of not holding others to any standard of behavior at all. We calm ourselves by telling ourselves we are not “judging” this person, when in fact, we are overlooking their obvious bad behavior that repeats itself over and over and over.
While it may be comforting for us to think that there “is good in everyone” and that “even the worst person can change,” there are people who are quite satisfied to use and abuse others like objects or possessions, who actually obtain glee from using others.
Psychopathy isn’t “diagnosed” by one bad deed, or even two or three bad deeds, but is seen as a longstanding pattern of abusive behavior and an attitude of entitlement. Many times this bad behavior is masked behind a layer of “addiction” to drugs or alcohol, so that we may think that “if only he didn’t drink/drug” he would be fine, but this is “judging” in the wrong direction, by giving the person the benefit of the doubt about why they drink/drug. Judging in favor of someone (mind reading) about why they do bad acts is just as dangerous as mind reading the other direction and blaming someone for thoughts that you have magically put in their heads.
We need, as healthy individuals, to be able to discern behavior as abusive and to avoid the person who does these abusive things repeatedly, and to be able to judge/discern that person as an unhealthy individual for us to associate with. The reason doesn’t matter why they are unhealthy, and it really doesn’t matter if they qualify clinically as a psychopath or not, they are not healthy for us. The relationship drags us down.
The Biblical or social admonition to “judge not” doesn’t condemn us to being stupid to the point that we observe not, or that we fail to condemn bad behavior in either ourselves or others. We are expected to use our conscience to monitor our own behavior and when we fail to live up to the standard that we have set for ourselves we should feel “guilt” which tells us, “don’t do that again.” By the same token, we should also be able to see that the behavior of someone else is hurtful to us or others, and is not the kind of behavior that we would allow ourselves to do, so we are not obligated to tolerate it from someone else.
The bottom line is that if we don’t think that someone else’s behavior is something we would think is “okay to do,” then we do not have to allow that behavior or that person to affect our lives. If you won’t lie and cheat, don’t tolerate someone who does. If you wouldn’t steal, don’t tolerate someone who does. Stand up and say, “it is wrong to lie and steal, it is wrong to cheat. I won’t do that, and I won’t tolerate that.” That does not make you a “judgmental person,” it makes you a wise person. It makes you a discerning person. It makes you a healthy person.
I have a lawyer but we are at the beginning stage. I am scared that if I find and get the vehicle he will never cooperate with signing the title over. Our sheriffs department told me legally I could drive off w the vehicle but it cannot be on his private property. As you know if you don’t play by a sociopaths rules the game gets uglier. Should I hold something over his head that I think may get him to comply or play by my rules? Or is it not worth it?
Dear Seriously,
Not sure…. don’t know what the legal angles are and don’t know him…you just never know what they will do. Sometimes if you get a “retraining order” against them it will make them leave you alone, sometimes it just makes them more determined to kill you.
You just need to play it by EAR and listen to your attorney.. YOU know him probably better than anyone…and so you just have to make a decision and do it.
ONE bit of advice I can give you is DO NOT TELL HIM WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO….Don’t get mad and pop off at him and pre-warn him. LOL (been there and done that!) LOL
I would communicate with him ONLY in writing—no name calling or anything like that—and preferably only through the attorney.
If he is trying to get you to “cooperate” by holding the vehicle hostage you can bet before it is over he will do something else that is pretty cheety!
Also, I don’t know how much money is involved, it might be worth it to just blow it off, but keep in mind that if he keeps the car and does NOT pay the loan each month, YOU will have to in order to keep your credit. Or another option is just to let the bank repo the vehicle…especially if you think your credit is going to be ruined anyway.
I wish you the best of luck. Keep on reading here and learning, it is the only way we can truly heal from these monsters. (((hugs)))
If vehicle is in both names and payment’s are being made then your in a pickle. If the vehicle is not worth alot I would get my name removed from title and walk away…
Seriously – sounds like he is using the vehicle as a trophy and a link to keep you hooked. I have no knowledge of the legal system but Ox’s advice sounds good.
Hens, most lenders (especially in these days) will NOT remove one person’s name from a lien just in case the other person doesn’t pay up. Lenders don’t care WHO has the property as long as ONE PERSON (at least) makes the payments.
That’s the problem with JOINT property….or co-signing for someone. States with community property marital property laws and all that complicate matters too. The psychopaths can usually find some loop hole to screw the partner through though….
Part of the problem is that they de-fraud you by getting you to GIVE them things or take responsibility for them (co-signing etc) so the responsible party ends up having to pay in order to protect their credit rating, etc. With the economy in the shape it is in now, it is difficult enough to get credit for anything like a house or car and impossible if your rating is bad, so it might be worth it to pay (if it isn’t tooooo much) just in order to keep the credit rating intact, but my guess is that this is JUST GETTING STARTED….like Seriously said, it’s in the early stages yet.
Seriously,
I tried to post this but it disappeared, I think.
To beat a spath you have to understand how they think.
They do what they do to make us suffer and no other reason. Your spath like the fact that it eats you up inside to pay for a car that you can’t use. And yet, you CONTINUE TO DO IT. He feels he has your strings and he can manipulate them. happy happy spath, gloating over your position between a rock and a hard space. The spath can’t really be put in that position because his motivations are not like ours: he will happily cut off his nose just to spite his own face. WHO DOES THAT? A SPATH.
To backspath him, you have to not care about your credit and let the bank REPO the car from him. Talk to your loan officer and perhaps you will get a sympathetic one. Explain that he is a spath who will not pay for the car he has. Therefore you will not be paying for it anymore. If they REPO it they will sell it at auction and make very little. But maybe they will be happy to sell it to you again for the amount you owe on it??? might be worth a shot because it’s a win/win for the bank and you, but a lose for the parasite. if they don’t want to sell it to you, you can buy it at auction yourself. Just keep track of all the auto auction houses in your area – they list vehicles online. Eventually your car will pop up.
You have to think outside the box when dealing with spaths.
Depending on how much you owe and the value of the car, this could work out better than what you are doing now, which is providing free car and free supply to the spath. If you keep giving him supply, he will never detach. he is addicted to you.
Sky – that’s what I did, I thot screw good credit I got to get this parasite out of my life…good credit just get’s you in debt anyway…so life goes on….hell most car dealerships will sell you a car with bad credit anyhow these days…
Henry, there are those of us who have worked hard to keep our credit scores good…and are still not in debt.. I don’t owe a swinging cent to a swinging soul, but I want to keep my credit score good because I never know when I might NEED IT.
There are several professions too where you must have a good credit score or you can’t get a job…or a security clearance…as far as buying a car at a “tote the note lot,” sometimes that’s no great deal! LOL
So each person’s situation is different depending on where they live, what they do for a living, what they own, what they owe on it, can they pay it off, and so on….just like Star’s X BF, the P got in some BIG trouble with the military for adultery, where as many jobs don’t care if you are screwing around on you wife or husband, but in the military it is a big deal—-SO IS NOT PAYING YOUR BILLS if you are in the military or not paying your child support, etc. So each case is different.
I just read an article the other day bout a 35 yr old woman arrested for having sex with a 17 year old guy. In that state, the “age of consent” is 16 so she wouldn’t have been in trouble except SHE WAS A TEACHER and because of that, him being one of her students, she had done a NO NO, and got arrested for a FELONY. If she hadn’t been a teacher, it wouldn’t have been ANY DEAL, much less a big one. Now, she is facing FELONY TIME.
Reputation, credit scores, and a lot of things, make a difference in how you have to handle things in order to get/keep your job, your home, etc. or are ever able to buy a house again.
He has been paying me each month for the vehicle and insurrance. My concern is getting my name off the loan and title with him. hes made payments for one year so hes mad bc hes losing thT money if i sell it. i have given him 1 full year to refinance and he cant w out a co signer and cant by himself. i have the full amount secured for truck if neede3d and a buyer. i have several plabs but he will not give me the vehicle back. he wants me to have to keep contacting him every month to get the payments. It’s a game to him. I want him out of my life.
Ox I admire you and your hard earned credit score. Suzie Orman say’s the american dream is to rent, not own a house these days…My home as humble as it is is almost paid for. As for my reputation, well that is another topic…
But my point along with sky’s is that after identity theft, fraud and being conned some of us have no other choice but to start over…I have decent credit but I want to buy a yacht and cruise around the world, will you co-sign for me please?