By Ox Drover
Many people think of the term “judging others” in a negative way. I think a lot of this comes from the Biblical admonition found in which Jesus said, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). Matthew 7:2-5 says, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.
I frequently hear others say, “Well, I’m not judging him ”¦” when they talk about how someone they know has done something that is less than morally upright. When I was a young person in this community of mostly Scots-Irish Protestants, people were frequently “judged” or compared to community standards of behavior. If a woman or girl had a child out of wedlock, she was judged for doing so. She was held up to a standard of behavior that she had publicly failed to meet. Her child, unfortunately, was also “judged” because of the mother’s behavior. In fact, I have a friend who was born of an adulterous affair, and “everyone” knew who her father was, and though no one was nasty to her face, my friend still grew up feeling “judged” as a “bastard.” She had a “rough” childhood and adolescence, which included drug use, and early, promiscuous sexual behavior as a result of her feeling judged. Fortunately, she was able to pull herself out of her downward spiral, escape the vicious psychopath that she married. (He was charged with killing his mistress’s husband in a cold-blooded, execution-style murder.) My friend escaped from this man, married a good man, and has managed to raise her own daughter as a “good kid.” She has also managed to salvage her self-esteem and her place in the community as a well-liked and respected member of this community
What is “judging” exactly? What is fair judgment, and what is unfair judgment? Well, to me, “judging” what a person thinks or “reading their mind” is “magical thinking” and it is not possible to do fairly. No matter what people do, I can’t really know what they were thinking. One of the things that frustrated me the most in dealing with this “mind reading” was the gaslighting my egg donor did when she excused herself for lying to me by saying that if she had told me the truth I would have been so upset I would have “thrown a fit” because she loaned money to the psychopath my son had sent to infiltrate our family. I was so upset at the time that she presumed to be able to “read my mind” and I swore to her that I would not have “thrown a fit.” But how do you prove a negative when someone presumes to be able to read your mind and predict your behavior?
Mind reading and behavior prediction, based upon the ability to magically read one’s mind, is unfair judgment. It is, I think what Jesus was condemning in Matt 7:1 “Judge not least ye be judged.” However, showing discernment in our observations is not the kind of “judgment” that Jesus was condemning. James 3:11-12 says (11) Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? (12) Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives or a grapevine bear figs? No spring yields both salt water and fresh. The author James is showing us here that we ought to be able to discern things that are right and good versus things that are bad by observation, not mind-reading ”¦ and that we should be able to see that a grapevine should bear grapes, and a fig tree figs, not the other way around. We ought to be able to look at a person’s “fruit” (behavior) and tell what that person is.
When we deal with a psychopath, many times they wear a “mask” to cover up what they are doing; they tell lies to throw us off the track. We aren’t perfect ourselves, and we know that we aren’t perfect, so we try not to “judge” others to a standard of perfection which we ourselves cannot reach. However, by trying to be empathetic to others and to not “judge” them, when we know ourselves not to be perfect, we sometimes go to the other extreme of not holding others to any standard of behavior at all. We calm ourselves by telling ourselves we are not “judging” this person, when in fact, we are overlooking their obvious bad behavior that repeats itself over and over and over.
While it may be comforting for us to think that there “is good in everyone” and that “even the worst person can change,” there are people who are quite satisfied to use and abuse others like objects or possessions, who actually obtain glee from using others.
Psychopathy isn’t “diagnosed” by one bad deed, or even two or three bad deeds, but is seen as a longstanding pattern of abusive behavior and an attitude of entitlement. Many times this bad behavior is masked behind a layer of “addiction” to drugs or alcohol, so that we may think that “if only he didn’t drink/drug” he would be fine, but this is “judging” in the wrong direction, by giving the person the benefit of the doubt about why they drink/drug. Judging in favor of someone (mind reading) about why they do bad acts is just as dangerous as mind reading the other direction and blaming someone for thoughts that you have magically put in their heads.
We need, as healthy individuals, to be able to discern behavior as abusive and to avoid the person who does these abusive things repeatedly, and to be able to judge/discern that person as an unhealthy individual for us to associate with. The reason doesn’t matter why they are unhealthy, and it really doesn’t matter if they qualify clinically as a psychopath or not, they are not healthy for us. The relationship drags us down.
The Biblical or social admonition to “judge not” doesn’t condemn us to being stupid to the point that we observe not, or that we fail to condemn bad behavior in either ourselves or others. We are expected to use our conscience to monitor our own behavior and when we fail to live up to the standard that we have set for ourselves we should feel “guilt” which tells us, “don’t do that again.” By the same token, we should also be able to see that the behavior of someone else is hurtful to us or others, and is not the kind of behavior that we would allow ourselves to do, so we are not obligated to tolerate it from someone else.
The bottom line is that if we don’t think that someone else’s behavior is something we would think is “okay to do,” then we do not have to allow that behavior or that person to affect our lives. If you won’t lie and cheat, don’t tolerate someone who does. If you wouldn’t steal, don’t tolerate someone who does. Stand up and say, “it is wrong to lie and steal, it is wrong to cheat. I won’t do that, and I won’t tolerate that.” That does not make you a “judgmental person,” it makes you a wise person. It makes you a discerning person. It makes you a healthy person.
He wants to play by his rules. He wants to keep paying me monthly for 4 years. Hell no.
Thanks ladies. I’ll keep you posted. My attorney is calling him Monday. I just want the vehicle back and I pray he will sign the title over.
seriously – and then there is the issue of insurance, you could also be held accountable…I am so sorry your in this mess – I would get an attorney..many of us are guilty of doing what you did, what a fricken nitemare – i hope you find a solution..
Oct is correct. I have a high profile job and am well respected in my community. I have to be careful how I conduct my affairs. Also I have very good credit and I am not taking a hit on it bc I fell in love w a sociopath.
JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING….
On the insurance. If you are not driving the car, the insurance company may be legally able to VOID the policy and call it fraud….especially if he is not living at the same residence with you… and there is a wreck where he is at fault.there are some TRICKY clauses to this kind of thing. Once when I was living in Florida (HIGH insurance rates!!!) I had to actually cancel my kids’ drivers licenses in order not to pay like $1,200 A MONTH for LIBALITY ONLY insurance even if I did NOT cover them or let them drive, as long as they lived in the house with me and had drivers licenses….by cutting up their licenses and canceling them, I saved like $1,100 a month! I had to drive them everywhere though…and of course the P son stole the car in the middle of the night and drove it anyway to rob our friends’ business….but you might want to check on this.
Hens, darling, I couldn’t qualify for a row boat with my income level, so the answer is it WOULDN’T HELP YOU if I co-signed, the answer would still be NO! LOL
When I got divorced the first time there was no “equal credit” score, the husband (at that time I was a stay at home mom) had the credit and the job. I worked really hard to establish credit, and I worked my butt off to keep it, and to build my paid for house with my own two little hands—and believe me I learned to do a lot and can finish sheet rock with the best of ’em! And plumb, and paint and wall paper and other stuff too. Once I finally got all the debt paid off on everything I owed, I did my best to not get back into debt again! But who knows, I might NEED to some time or other. So, I would like to protect my credit since if I did lose it at this age, I would never be able to get it back.
BTW my “reputation” in this community is as a nut-job who abuses her pitiful little old egg donor! LOL If you don’t believe it just ask her! LOL
Yea, the insurance thing is another part of it too…and believe me I KNOW about that one. That is why I dropped that “guy” when he just couldn’t understand why I wouldn’t let him take an illegal joy ride in my little plane…sheesh, talk about hanging yourself out to DRY!!! And there was NOTHING in it for me for sure except RISK, RISK, and MORE RISK!
I drive older vehicles and just carry liability insurance, but believe me, I carry HIGH liability insurance not just the minimum. I can stand to lose a $3,000 car/truck, but if someone gets hurt and they sue me and I don’t have enough insurance to cover it, and an insurance co lawyer to defend it, I AM OUT TO DRY—I’m insurance “pore,” but I couldn’t sleep at night without it.
Fortunately, I haven’t had to use the insurance much, but just want to be protected. It is like a fire extinguisher– you may not use it often, but dang, when you need it, you NEED IT NOW! Same with other things too, like defensive weapons. LOL
Yea, dealing with a psychopath is a night mare–when your credit is tied up with them, your finances, etc. whatever it is, they can get their hooks into you and make you suffer. Cost you money to just get away from them. That “summer of chaos” that I spent running from the psychopaths and the stuff they were pulling cost me a great deal of what I had saved, but in the end, it saved my life I do believe, so I guess whatever it cost it was cheap at twice the price! LOL
Getting away from the psychopaths is an important thing for us to do….whatever it costs, but I think the best thing is to CUT THE COSTS as LOW as possible without staying hooked into them.
I would pay a pretty penny just to be free of him. They are no good and are a waste of space on this planet. When our relationship finally reached the end I asked him why he cheated on me and he told me the only person he had to answer to was God. I told him I would love to hear that conversation and also told him he does not want to have a conversation with God because it would not go well.
Seriously,
LOL I am like you, I’d like to be a fly on the wall with that conversation, I don’t think it would go well either. LOL
Were you married to him? I hope that your attorney can give you some advice that can get you free of this parasite reasonably quickly and reasonably cheaply.
Since your name is on the title and you can get in (or your AGENT can get it) and drive it off you may actually have to hire a re-po argent to snag the car when it is off his property (like if he drives it to work or whatever) and your attorney should be able to tell you if that is legal or not.
I am gonna bet it IS LEGAL to hire someone to go get it for you off of a public street or parking place…and probably wouldn’t cost that much either, and in the long run might be worth it. At least you could hide it in a storage space somewhere and keep him from having it IF YOU MUST HAVE HIS SIGNATURE TO SELL IT. Tit for tat, at least!
I wouldn’t worry too much about him being pissed off and NOT COOPERATING–he isn’t cooperating NOW so what have you got to lose? LOL With him pulling this carp I don’t think he is likely to START cooperating. He probably has no other way to get wheels so is going to hold on to these as long as he can. Good luck! (((hugs)))
Dear LF Family,
I only have a minute to write, but I’ll write more tomorrow.
I just found out last nite that J did finally answer to God….
he hung himself in Mexico on 2/22/11.
I have a lot to unpack here, but the only emotional image I have is like one from a movie, of a dark door slowly closing in the distance…….[picture fade]……The End.
I have no tears to cry…..I think I cried out all the available hydrogen in my being in the months after he walked out….now he’s walked out the final door….&, looking back, I have to realize my depression had Suddenly lifted back around the end of February…..I had attributed it to several other things…..now I feel that his walking out his last door left me free to live the rest of my life without anger or pain because of what he did. Maybe it’s because we don’t (I can’t) let people leave the planet without my forgiveness…..or maybe the image of the door closing which immediately came into my mind when I got the news was his way of telling me I’m free now.
I treasure all your love & support. LF has helped me come to this place, & I can see the sun rising over the horizon.
Any thots, links, theories about sociopath suicide would be appreciated.
After Monday we will know my plan. I have several good ideas. My spath was with me for 2.5 years. I found out literally over night while in the bath tub and doing some thinking. It hit me…I was like oh my God his degree didn’t come in the mail bc he never went to college. I called the University and I was right. He lied to me about school, lied on resumes, stole my credit card for porn, called in prescriptions, stole pills from my family, ( WE WERE PRESCRIBED OUR MEdS. WE ARE NOT UNHEALTHY PEOPLE) We moved in together and got an engagement ring. Electronics, furniture and vehicle all in my name. I did a background check and he had a felony for stealing a car. Long story short. I got out. The only thing left is the vehicle.
Yesitsme…I’m sorry be strong. I’m too angry to give you advice bc I would hVe mean word vomit come out. I don’t know your story. Staystrong.