Two young girls adopted by a loving British couple took after their criminal biological mother. For the adoptive parents, it was a disaster.
Read When Cherry adopted these ‘angelic’ sisters she thought a loving home would heal the wounds of their troubled past. how terrifyingly wrong she was, on DailyMail.co.uk.
Link supplied by a Lovefraud reader.
Louise
darwinsmom:
Thanks for making that clear.
I go to a quaint little cupcake shop and there is a young girl who works there and she has the most beautiful blue eyes I have ever seen and she has dark hair. I complimented her on her eyes (never quite saw a color of blue like hers…can’t describe it) and I was just getting ready to ask her if both of her parents have blue eyes when she said, “Both of my parents have brown eyes!” Then she proceeded to tell me that she looks just like her grandmother eyes and all. I love the whole genetics thing…it’s so interesting to me.
behind_blue_eyes
There is more to this than “genes” per say. Epigenetics is a relatively new science that looks not a genes, but their expression. Thus, genetic expression can be altered without genetic modification and behaviors of a grandparent can effect grandchildren without any true genetic modification. From an evolutionary perspective, this makes a lot of sense, as true genetic modification can take many generations.
IMHO, a good deal of sociopathy is due to Epigenetic.
joss
Anyone seen we need to talk about kevin…?
Louise
joss:
I haven’t seen that movie, but thought about it..is it worth it?
Louise
BBE:
Thanks for that post on epigenetics. I looked it up and it’s extremely interesting. I am going to study this more…
kim frederick
Joss, I read the book, shortly before comeing to LF, and couldn’t put it down. Very, very chilling.
When I first came here, I recommended the book. Then, as a reminder to myself, I googled it, and read the back cover and a few pages inside the book. As I recall it’s fiction, isn’t it? Anyway, what I found there was a tone, that implied parental responsibility…ie, nurture, and not much implication on the part of nature. When I read the book, it reenforced what I had come to believe about disordered children: that the parents were somehow to blame, but after reading post after post written by the parents of children just like Keven, who claim to have done everything right, I quit recommending the book. It is a good read, though, and does strikinly portray the infathomable evil that is incomprhensible coming from a child…utterly calculated.
Ox Drover
Different breeds of dogs and livestock are bred with different temperments and instincts for various purposes. You cannot take a Lab and make it into a sheep dog no matter how you train it or how young you start, it is a bird dog bred to do a specific kind of thing naturally…a Border collie is not going to make a good bird dog no matter how much you train it or how young you start.
You can’t take a wolf pup and take it away from its mother the second it is born and nurse it on a bird dog and make it a bird dog, or a sheep dog. It has taken hundreds of generations of SELECTIVE breeding to convert wolves into bird dogs, sheep dogs, rat killers, retrievers, bull fighters etc.
With cattle, some breeds have calm docile temperaments and some have very aggressive tendencies. That’s why the Spanish fighting breeds are not used for milking. LOL It just isn’t gonna work.
While the human race is more mongrel than we might like to admit, at least as far as our aggression, etc. is concerned, I think it has been pretty well proven with the twin studies if no other way, that temperament is somewhat genetic, and also that the EXPRESSION of most/all genes is also effected by environment.
Truthspeak
OxD….yepper, a lab will never be a herding dog!
And, your last remark brings me to this: the discussion on “nature v. nurture” for me is a moot point. I know what I WISH were true, and that would be that sociopathy did not exist. But, it does. I don’t particularly like having to accept this fact, but it is fact nonetheless. It can’t be bred out of human beings, nor can it truly be successfully “taught” out of human beings. There’s no easy answer to the human condition.
So, since eradicating socipathy is out of the proverbial question, EDUCATION should be a cultural and societal priority. “Education” should begin at birth and throughout school years. NOT the kind of edumakashun that would have children terrified of the bogey man lurking behind every bush. The kind of education I’m talking about is setting boundaries and recognizing “toxicity” in other human beings. If we can recognize the toxicity, maybe we don’t have to stick around to confirm that someone is, indeed, a sociopath.
For me, it’s not a matter of why or how…..it’s simply a matter of “IS.”
Ox Drover
Truthspeak,
Part of it is too the MYTH that environment is everything in the way an adult turns out…the “there is good in everyone deep down” myth….the professionals who truly believe in this MYTH, and who try desperately to “save” these “misguided poor souls” unfortunately seem to be the majority in many of the helping professions—psychology, teaching, prison administration “do gooders”, political “do gooders” who want to throw money at this or that social program to “save” these people, etc.
It is like the LoveFraud version of the Emperor’s New Clothes, it just isn’t what the truth is. LOL the truth is too horrific for anyone to accept it except those few of us who have been victimized by it and realize what it is. The emperor is naked! There are people who have no conscience who can’t be helped, who are truly EVIL and all the love and head start programs in the schools and all the treatment programs in the prisons are not going to help.
Sarah999
The psychological profession has a lifelong annuity in believing (and fostering the belief) that all people are good (underneath) and that people can change with “enough” therapy. DU-UH!