The benefits of a relationship with both parents depend on the quality of care the parents can provide. This fact is illustrated in the following story:
FREMONT, Calif. – A 6-year-old boy abducted from his mother was returned home safely Friday after his father was arrested 200 miles away in the Sacramento Valley, police said.
Ralph Baldenegro, 56, was arrested near Red Bluff and was being held at the Tehama County Jail.
Baldenegro allegedly broke into his estranged wife’s house, beat and handcuffed her, and kidnapped the boy Thursday night, said Fremont Detective Bill Veteran. He also hit his 14-year-old stepdaughter.” Read full story.
The news is full of stories like the one above that call into question the common notion that a child needs both of his biologic parents. Often, people say, “She needs to love her mother.” Or, “He needs to love his father.”
The majority of children do need a relationship with both parents
The idea that children need to love and have a relationship with both parents is indeed true for the majority of children who are affected by separation or divorce. In cases where both parents have an ongoing love and commitment to the child, they have proven it in words and actions. Actions such as providing financial support, spending time with the child, and making the parent-child relationship a top priority demonstrate a commitment to parenting.
Unfortunately however, some parents may also have a hard time getting along with each other for the sake of their children. Parents fighting over children and placing them in the middle of ongoing conflict is detrimental to children. These parents need education to help them in the transition to co-parenting. This education is mandated now for divorcing parents in most states.
Children of sociopaths deserve our protection
There are nonetheless a minority of children being raised by a relatively healthy parent and vexed by a parent who is a sociopath or addict. We advise other family members of sociopaths and addicts to cut ties with the affected person. Ties can later be reestablished if the person demonstrates a commitment through action that he/she desires a better lifestyle.
Why then, to we think it is healthy for the children of sociopaths and addicts to have a relationship with them?
Science has demonstrated that children are harmed by sociopathic parents
The scientific literature clearly demonstrates that it is detrimental for children to grow up with adults who are aggressive, controlling and manipulative.
According to a recent study of 1,116 five-year-old twin pairs and their parents, “Behavioral genetic analyses showed that children who resided with antisocial fathers received a ‘double whammy’ of genetic and environmental risk for conduct problems.” The authors therefore concluded, “Marriage may not be the answer to the problems faced by some children living in single-parent families unless their fathers can become reliable sources of emotional and economic support.” (Jaffee, Moffitt, Caspi, Taylor, Life with (or without) father: the benefits of living with two biological parents depends on the father’s antisocial behavior, 2003).
The children of sociopathic mothers are at even greater risk due to the stronger genetic basis of female antisocial behavior and the nature of the mother-child relationship.
What will it take to change our laws?
Why then do the courts consistently award visitation to parents who have been diagnosed with addiction and/or sociopathy? The lawmakers who have made these laws, and the judges who interpret them, are for the most part uneducated as to the nature of both sociopathy and the needs of children.
In my opinion, the concept of supervised visitation is confusing to children. How is the child to benefit from having his schedule disrupted to go to a strange place and visit someone who is supposed to be functioning as his/her caretaker?
There have been many instances in our public history where flaws in our laws have been detected and changed by concerned citizens. This only happens when those who are concerned form an organized lobbying effort.
Those of us who are healing from a relationship with a sociopath and working hard to raise children properly, have a hard time finding the energy for such an effort. We need the help of those who have already finished raising the next generation and others familiar with sociopathy. We also need the help of professionals who work in the field.
If we work together, perhaps future children will have a better chance at a peaceful childhood.
OxD, I guess the core of my angst is this looming fear of the monsters under the bed, so to speak. I think I may opt for counseling for ME to help me keep on center.
Yeah, I don’t mind being a raving bitch, at all! I call a spade a spade, and that’s that! 😉
Dear Buttons, I think that you and I are “soul sisters” LOL Yea, I’ve had my share of counseling and in fact BEEN a professional counselor for years but you know, the thing wasn’t that I didn’t KNOW what to do, it was I didn’t apply it to MYSELF, even though I could look at a situation from the OUTSIDE AND SEE what needed to be done, I had GRAVE DEFECIENCIES IN APPLYING IT TO MYSELF.
I am now learning to look at the BOTTOMLINE in a situation and have drawn up a “manifesto” of what I will and will NOT tolerate in conduct toward me by those I trust or want to trust. I have set boundaires and they are not lies drawn in the sand that I keep backing up and redrawing any more, they are SET IN CONCRETE and I have NO doubt about “is this fair?” or is “this too harsh?”
I EXPECT others to treat me with the same courtesy, respect and honesty that I treat others with. NO EXCEPTIONS.
The unfortunate thing about my son C, though, is that he has seen me waffle over and over my entire (and his entire) life. I did not set a good example for him. He actually has some of my good qualities, but he also has a fist full of the OLD ME trained into him. He doesn’t realize that he got his LAST SECOND CHANCE to change his behavior toward me.
After his x wife and the TH-P tried to kill him and he fled the state in fear for his life, he finally decided that I wasn’t such a bitch after all and in fact he called me a “prophet.” However, when he returned here and started to get his “chit together” and his anxiety level drop to where he again felt “safe” he waffled back into some of HIS OLD BAD HABITS and ways of thinking. Actually his lies were so apparent and TRANSPARENT (Unlike his P-brother, he never was a good liar, he ALWAYS got caught!) LOL This time was no exception. And, I called him out on it. And I am glad to say CALMLY (I melted down later outside of his view! LOL) But I AM sad that he has chosen this path, because I am not sure I could EVER have a genuinely trusting relationship with him again.
Some philosopher, can’t remember who, said “I am not angry that you lied to me, but upset that I can never believe you again.” How true, how true, and HOW SAD!
i only just this second joined so i could post here… I’m sixteen,
thankyou for saying those things! my dad is a sociopath. We tried to go to court for other reasons (he kicked us out the house after having an affair when I was about 5, sold the house and moved away, and wanted full custordy of me, my mum fought against that, but he got weekend custordy) and just… nobody listened. He’s a smart, well respected, wealthy man, charming and manipulative. my mum is an actress too, he is a theatre director, so instantly “my mum is acting” I’m acting, I don’t know what I’m saying. I turned 16 last month. I started self harming when I was 5, and only just stopped last year when I was 15. I only had the guts to stop contact with him via a court when I was 13, because, due to the abuse, I ended up with M.E, which is a chronic immune illness, often caused by stress. I’ve had to drop out of school when I was 11, I still can’t go back. I’m recovering slowly, physically. But inside, I get so angry that nobody did anything. nobody listened to me, took me seriously when i said he was hurting me. in ways i didn’t know how to describe. any bruises he left, were “rough play”. how can a seven year old explain what emotional abuse is? and the sick thing, is that it still hurts every bit as much today as it did when i was 10. It still affects me. I can’t forget what he did, because I’m still ill. I was bedbound for a year, been housebound for 4. It still ruins my life. I still have scars that I have to hide from people, my realtionship with my mother suffered hugely.
And this man is still there. he never truly bothered with me, only to control me, untill I said I didn’t want to see him. and THEN he is the concerned father, writing ever birthday and christmas, blatantly ignoring everything, just… talking normally. Getting his new wife to write. His parents, my grandparents aren’t allowed to write me, because he says they need to be loyal to him. He just keeps going. I’m taking his last name off my name in a few months. Now I’m sixteen, I don’t need parental consent for that, which is something I’ve been waiting for for a long time… suffered from having a scocipathic parent? If I hadn’t been, ironically “lucky” to have gotten ill, I would have killed myself by now, no question. And I do feel lucky, because I know I will get better, and then I’m going to be happy. And that’s the worst thing I could do to him. To be happy.
And nobody sees parents like that. People need to know about them. It can’t keep destroying kids that don’t deserve it.
Dear Honey,
I am so sorry that you have experienced such abuse from someone who should have nurtured you, and that others did not listen to your cries for help.
I wish I could say that your case is “unusual” but unfortunately it is not. Maybe some of the details are different, but the abuse, the failure by others to listen to the child, to protect the child.
I am also sorry that your mother has also been a victim of his abuse and that it has adversely effected your relationship with her. I hope that you are getting psychological help for yourself, because there is a LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. This is a place where people WILL believe you, because we have all experienced in some form or manner abuse(s) from the psychopaths as well. Some of us from parents, some from lovers, and some from friends or even our own children, and some of us from ALL of the above relationships.
I am also glad that you no longer hurt yourself. I know your road to healing will be long and difficult, but I also hear the strength in your post! Everyoone here at one time or another has felt that we could not go on another minute, but by pulling together, by learning about psychopaths, what they are, how they behave, and relaizing we are NOT alone, we have strength to heal ourselves. God bless you, HOney.
Honey…{{Gentle Hugs}} What a courageous young woman you are. To be young and experience what you did is one of the things that upsets me most about spathy – harming children.
As an adult, I had a choice to get out, and you didn’t, dear one. I think that you understand that what you experienced was something that you didn’t deserve – it seems that you do in your post, and that is a powerful bit of information for you to always keep close. You didn’t do anything to deserve it. Spaths do things to other people because they can, and not because anyone asks for it or does something to deserve it.
You’re not alone and you DO have the strength to heal, just as OxD pointed out. You will be one of those amazing women, Honey. You will be someone of substance because of who you evolve into on your healing path.
Brightest blessings upon you, Honey.
Honey:
You are a beautiful young girl with your whole life ahead of you.
It breaks my heart that you would even consider hurting yourself.
You have got resilience and a great fighting spirit in you, Honey.
Use it for good, and your life will only get better.
It’s YOUR turn to be Happy…..
my goodness… I had to get a new account because out of nowhere I thought i’d check back on here and I didn’t remember my password, i totally and completely didn’t expect those kinds of beautiful, kind comments… thank you so much.. they made me cry, in a really nice way! thank you, all of you, so much xxxxxx
Honey:
Sweetie, i’m sorry!!!!
From a coparent (with a spath), I have a heavy heart to know how my kids father treats them. It’s horrid, not right and hard to put your head around.
I understand others not seeing how much help you need, because I know how others respond to my kids.
Respect your father, he’s your father…..etc….uhhhhh NOT!
Parents don’t deserve anything if they are abusive. Being a parent doesn’t automatically award you the respect medal from your kids.
I hear strength in your voice. I want to wrap my arms around you and hold you…..and tell you…..as I tell my own teenagers…..IT”S NOT YOUR FAULT!!! I’m sorry you have a father as you do.
The good news is…….YOU can decide to have a wonderful life. No, not maybe one you ‘thought’ you would have had…..a few of the players and the script has been tweeked…..BUT, nonetheless…..make it what you want for your future!
I see the struggle in my own children. It breaks my heart!!!! I know I can’t compensate for the choices their father makes, but I can choose to be the best parent I know how to be….both father AND mother!!!
One of my kids was ‘cutting’ himself several years ago…..I didn’t understand the ‘reason’s ‘ why as far as getting away from the pain via other pain……He has grown to a place, like you, where he no longer does this. THANK GOD!!
It is a sign of dealing in a healthy manner with your emotions….processing, learning and educating yourself about ‘what’ your dealing with.
I wish I could take it all away…..from you….my kids…..and any child who is going through this life with a parental sociopath.
I can’t.
All I can do, is keep a line of communication open, teach good coping skills, encourage heathy communications and model what I would like my children to be and see……and be there to comfort them, educate them, and raise their awareness to the toxicicity in the world.
The whole world is not bad……but the bad in the world seems louder than the good.
TAKE GOOD CARE…..
XXOO
EB
Dear Honey,
I’m glad you checked back in, and I hope you will stay around here and READ AND LEARN. It is a hard road back from the HELL they have sent us spiraling into. My father is also a psychopath and put me through hell as well. I don’t even call him a “father” as he only was the DNA donor, the sperm donor psychopath! Being a dad/fathr takes love and commitment and he never had any of that.
You’ve had a rough ride to this age, but I hope you and your mum can repair your relationship and that she can be supportive of you. For having dropped out of school so young you sound well educated and very intelligent so use the internet and books to further your education.
I hope also that you are getting some therapy now as well. My hope for you is that you can heal these terrible wounds and get on with a normal life and relationships and a career! You are way too young to be stuck inside because of this man.
The BEST REVENGE is a LIFE LIVED WELL, and I think there ase many people here not just me that will say YES we have been DEVESTATED and BROKEN but we will RECOVER and in the end be BETTER than before.
I’m glad you can take his name off yourself and get a new start in life with this man not part of it. If necessary to keep him from contacting you, get a restraining order or what ever a court order is called in the UK to keep someone from contacting someone who does NOT want to see them.
God bless you, Honey, and don’t forget your password this time! Laugh! (((Hugs)))))
On the subject of children, this is something Ive been beating myself up with lately…
I have known my ex and his now 11 year old son for 4.5 years. I met his son shortly after his 7th birthday. For quite some time his son has stayed at my house with his dad every other weekend. I have accepted him, taken care of him, loved him, and provided for him. HE IS A GREAT KID!!!
The sons mother recently got married after dating a man for 4 months. Up to this point, the son had been the sun, moon and stars to his mother and had some difficulty adjusting to the new man moving in and having an ‘insta-family’ equipped with a ‘dad” and ‘brother’. My ex’s son showed some behavioral reisistance to the change and my ex and I were there for him with a TON of support. We talked and talked and talked about how his son was ‘feeling’ and ‘ways to cope’ and ‘adjust.” I noticed my ex moving towards his son, although it seemed to be in a supportive, warm way.
Low and behold…my ex moves in with ME and I inherit an ‘insta-family’ equiped with a ‘husband’, ‘son” and ‘dog’ in my 900 square foot condo. I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME ADJUSTING…
Not only was I having a hard time adjusting to everyone being here, I was struggling with ‘handling’ the childs neediness…something I had never ‘noticed’ before. My ex and I talked about this and I tried suggesting ideas that would PROMPT his son to either form friends at my house or PROMPT independence (like reading a book on his own, listening to music, drawing…you know…kid things you do when you’re ‘bored’).
This was a HUGE point of contention between my ex and I. The more I ‘suggested’ (and offered ideas) we help his son to gain SOME independence, the more we argued. The more we argued, the more I began to feel ‘left out’ when his son was at MY house…to the point where I would say to my ex “I feel left out”, or “I feel like the third wheel”, or “I dont feel like I have any say-so in what goes on at MY house when your sons here.” THIS GOT BLAMED ON ME…by saying “you do this to yourself. You could play the game when we play one, or watch tv with us”.
WAIT A MINUTE…Aren’t WE the adults in a relationship? Isnt his son the CHILD? Please dont get me wrong…I had NO PROBLEM with doing ‘things’ as a family…NO PROBLEM AT ALL…
BUT…
Something changed…something shifted. I was somehow no longer ‘viewed’ as a part of the equation. I was the house supplier, driver, good buyer, ect, but I wasnt CONSIDERED?
Theres something innately wrong wtih this…