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Connecticut shooting: It is time for “people control”

President Bush designated the 1990s as the Decade of the Brain: “to enhance public awareness of the benefits to be derived from brain research” through “appropriate programs, ceremonies, and activities.” Thirteen years after the decade of the brain, the public is now aware that brain function is impaired in mental illness (including psychopathy) and addiction. Research has uncovered the brain regions involved in mental illnesses (including psychopathy) and addiction and the mechanism of action of many helpful medications.

Now this may still be difficult for some people to comprehend but, I say categorically that, “a 20 year old male who kills his mother, several other women and 20 five year old children does not have a normal brain.” I also ask, “when are our laws regarding mental illness going to catch up with our scientific knowledge of same?”

In the wake of the Newtown elementary school shootings, news commentators are talking about gun control and I claim no specific expertise in that matter. However it would be terrible if we didn’t take this time to also think about the problem of “civil rights” and mental illness. We need to institute “people control” in addition to gun control.

Many mental illnesses start in early adulthood, a time when young people are still financially and emotionally dependent on their families. Parents have no real power to compel a teenager into treatment much less a dependent young adult. The most parents can do is to expel the mentally ill teen or adult child from the home. What good does that do? Parents are rendered powerless by the government to help society and their children.

Doesn’t it seem logical that a dependent young person who has a brain problem severe enough to prevent self-care should be required to adhere to the decision making of parents who provide care? As current law stands, family members are not even allowed information about the dependent’s condition if they are in treatment. Does that make sense?

Empowering families also means accountability and education. If you have a mentally ill family member and you own weapons it is your responsibility to keep those weapons away from the mentally ill person.

Clearly the realities of family life no longer dictate that an individual member’s rights be considered in a vacuum. Sure “the right to refuse treatment” sounds good in theory but in practice it leads to suicide, murder and homelessness. Speaking of the homeless, many receive SSI or Social Security Disability. They are dependents of the state. Shouldn’t we all then have an interest in their treatment and possible return to productivity? Does it make sense for us to pay them to remain mentally ill, addicted and homeless?

Psychopathy is a mental illness that may manifest at any point from childhood through emergent adulthood. Furthermore, the individual symptoms of psychopathy as described by the psychopathy checklist contribute to crime and all forms of aggression. It is time we tackle psychopathy at all levels of severity as a mental health issue. Tackling it means treatment, public education and the empowerment of families to intervene. There is emerging evidence that treatment can lessen the severity of the condition. Supervision does reduce aggression and crime.

I have repeatedly said that psychopathic individuals could not do what they do without the help of their families. The Newtown school shooting is no exception to this because although the perpetrator killed his mother, the guns he used to kill legally belonged to her. He clearly should not have had access to weapons. We have yet to know the full extent of the mother’s lack of judgement when it came to her son’s disorder. But our laws and attitudes toward mentally ill individuals including those with psychopathy do not facilitate family education or responsibility.

In summary, since mental illness including psychopathy impairs judgement, creates dependency and predisposes to violence, mentally ill individuals should not have a blanket right to refuse treatment. The current criteria for compelled treatment are too restrictive. Families should be empowered to take both control and responsibility for the problems caused by mental illnesses including psychopathy.

See also Civil Commitment of Sociopaths, an article I wrote in 2010.

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Liane, thank you for this powerful post, and I am so saddened that this discussion is even required.

HIPPA laws clearly were enacted to protect people from malicious use of medical and psychiatric/psychological information that could be used against them. Initially, this was a “good” intention, but as in the case of the VA Tech shootings, the perpetrator clearly, CLEARLY suffered severe mental illness. Even if the family members had demanded that he receive mental health care, the young man could have walked out of the treatment without a reason.

Laws need revision, and “community” needs to be re-enacted so that “THEIR business” is treated as the fact that it clearly is “MY business.”

When someone who is mentally ill (or, a sociopathic predator) commits a lethal crime, EVERYONE suffers. Taxpayers are paying the legal fees for defense attorneys, investigations, inmate or psychiatric housing and care, prosecution, judges’ salaries, and on down the line. Social workers are on the payroll as well as court-ordered psychiatrists to provide assessments. There can literally be upwards of 30 PAID individuals involved in any given case.

Society and culture pays the tremendous cost of our current “Not my business” approach in the form of anxiety for our own safety, workplace harassment and violence, and a whole new breed of psychopathic generation that is so desensitized to violence and mayhem that I don’t see any hope of recovering from. It’s almost like the days before the fall of the Roman Empire. It’s a bloody free-for-all, and anything goes as long as there’s a label or an excuse.

Laws need revision, absolutely. Society needs severe revision. Culture needs to swing back into balance of moral, ethical, and legal epectations.

Thank you for this post, Liane.

Brightest blessings

This is so much more complicated. Psychopathy is not just a disease that affects an individual. Almost by definition it REQUIRES enablers, those that the individual psychopath manipulates.

We’ve been there done that. We’ve been the enablers. We know the cognitive dissonance that the spath creates. I’ve done some tests, on myself. I allowed myself to be in the presence of a manipulator to see how it affected my emotions even while I was AWARE of the manipulations. The result: My brain still responded with all the emotions it would have, if I didn’t know.

My parents are another prime example. They know what my brother is. But he has never killed them in the past, so they believe he will never kill them in the future. Not logical, but there it is.

Education about boundaries is the best bet, I think. When all people learn to have boundaries, it limits the power of the psychopath.


Skylar, good points – and, they rather go back to the discussion about “expectations” that OxD wrote. I think the “expectations” that people are going to intervene or “do the right thing” leaves even the people in the midst of cog/diss to pass the ball off to someone else.

Education and setting boundaries is vital, but making those boundaries a cultural, social, and legal “expectation” puts the onus upon us all, I think.

I dunno – it’s disturbing in that this is escalating, but very, very terrifying because the swath of damage goes far beyond the primary source targets. In this case, a whole nation is in shock, disbelief, and horror. Then, by next week, the focus will move on to the next psychopath in line for infamy. UGH……


Has anyone ever noticed that a lot of these kids who do these mass shootings are really smart? I just read an article and someone who actually used to hang out with Adam said he was really smart…probably a genius. I don’t know what, but I think there is something to this being brilliant in the mind and being a bit off. I know I am probably not saying this correctly, but I think you know what I mean. I just wonder what the connection is? This is really making me think…


Louise, I don’t think that there’s any more percentage of “smart vs. dull” kids perpetrating these massacres. What I have noticed is that they typically share similar traits and psychological issues – some, even were suspected of organic mental illnesses. What remains constant is that someone, somewhere, somehow, had prior knowledge that this young man was unhinged and potentially dangerous.

Cognitive dissonance. Denial. And, as Liane has discussed, plain inability to “force” treatment, legally, all contribute to these horrific situations.

Ox Drover

Liane, great articles but sometimes I think that the “voices of reason” about violence and mental illness etc are like John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness…not many folks listening.

In Switzerland where EVERY HOME has a fully automatic rifle and ammo provided by the government (as the men in the country are required to be in the militia) there IS ESSENTIALLY NO GUN CRIME because, I think, everyone knows that everyone else is ARMED.

So guns are I think NOT the issue (how about the Chinese guy a year or so back that killed 20+ kindergardeners with a KNIFE) but like you said “People control.”

My elderly neighbor has lost his judgment, but is not “demented” by law, and it is not against the law to have poor judgment and to not take care of yourself….to refuse medical care or take your medication…or to not pick up a drug addict “meth ho” in a wal mart parking lot who shows up every first of the month when your SS check comes and takes it, leaving you with no food or utilities etc. but because he knows what month it is, and who the president is and can tell time on a clock face, he is “sane” and his daughter cannot protect him.

My own egg donor is legally sane but she is delusional about my son Patrick and there is nothing I can do to stop her from sending money to him or hiring an attorney to work toward his parole. I can’t keep her from being “unduly influenced” by her love for him to give him everything she owns

I think though that every one of us here have been UNDULY INFLUENCED by the psychopaths in our lives and have had POOR JUDGMENT where they were concerned.

Back when the “human rights” movements released tens of thousands of mentally ill from institutions, and many of those became instantly homeless and instantly non compliant with their medications and self medicated with street drugs….many medical personnel shook their heads in disbelief, yet…who is to say how I should live? Who should lock me up for a crime I MIGHT COMMIT? The “thought police”?

Liane, I wish there was an answer….I wish I was Solomon and was wise enough to find a way to control humans and the things that we humans do. (sadly saking my head here) but in the meantime, I KNOW FOR A FACT that my son Patrick WILL make an attempt to kill me if he gets out of prison and in the meantime if he can find a buddy to convince to kill me, he will also try that route again. So All I can do in the meantime is to try to keep the parole board from letting him out.

I actually DO have an answer. Spath Insurance!!

Insurance lobbyists have incredible power over our government officials. If we create an insurance product to protect specifically against fraud, guess what? Insurance companies would pour millions – no BILLIONS – into educating and protecting their policy holders from fraud.

You better believe EVERYONE would learn the red flags.
Not only that, but the insurance company would investigate your relationships before, during and after any policy was assigned. They know that relationshits are the quickest way into being defrauded.

Insurance co: “Do you have a BF or husband who lies all the time?”
Me: “well, yes…”
Insurance co: “Sorry ma’am, dump the creep or we cancel your insurance policy.”
Me: “Hey! how did you know that “the creep” was his nickname?”


I saw this post on line and it made me think about a variety of things like the connection to the Batman shooting in Colorado as well as all the way back to President Reagan’s assassination attempt by John Hinckley Jr., whose father John Hinckley Sr. shared oil interests and dinners with George H.W. Bush and other oil men, who wanted tax breaks during the Reagan Administration. Doesn’t it strike anybody as it being odd as to how close a connection this is? My suggestion to you all is to begin looking more deeply at the connections, the how’s, the why’s from JFK, RFK, MalcolmX, MLK, the Reagan attempt, the McDonald’s massacre of 1984, 9/11,the Benazir Bhutto assassination of 2007, the Batman shootings of Colorado, the Sikh temple shootings, both earlier in 2012, and now this current and horrific shooting at this Connecticut elementary school, which I believe are symptomatic of a bigger issue. Sounds terribly conspiratorial doesn’t it? Yet, if you do the homework, connect the dots, and keep digging answers will be found. People want a nice neat package so they can go on living because it makes it easier for them to cope which is understandable. Yet, I can’t help but feel very strongly how this tragic incident is a distraction to either a bigger issue or multiple issues to take away the public’s focus on other crucial issues the country currently faces. Yes, we must all pause now and grieve for these people. I would also ask that we remember those people who made a ton of money on the stock market with regards to 9/11. I say to you all that we must embrace the truth by making the proper investigations not getting caught up in a sense of black and white thinking. With that said, let me remind everyone of the current state of our country which as a result of the Patriot Act which is a direct carbon copy of Hitler’s 1933 Enabling Act. Follow the trail and I believe that incidents like these will lead to virtually all these crooked politicians. How can I say that? Just look at the state of the country and the world for that matter. Look at how your local politician votes on line for things. What was the connection of this young man’s mother & father to anyone in the current political machine? What meds was this young man on? How long was he on them? Was he placed in those classes as a younger child that were geared for those deemed with higher intelligence? It was reported that his mother was “rigid ” which already sounds like spin in the media to blame the mother in order to help create a nice neat package. With regards to the recent Batman shooting and evidence of another assisting that particular shooter, when the question is raised as to how he got the weapons, it might be easily pointed that this shooter in Connecticut probably had assistence of some sort as well. Yet, what is the bigger issue here? They stir up animosity towards people who are gun owners. I don’t own a gun but with the recent attempts by the UN to stick their nose into US business with a gun ban is completely unconstitutional. The UN has no business in US affairs. My point here is what if somebody of foreign origin came in to your house to put your Grandmother away in a FEMA camp, would you let then do it? What would happen if they came into your home with guns to do what they wanted to do with you and your family then what? The Patriot Act is a part of this mess in an effort to disarm the American public. Let me further mention something else here: ammunition that is coated with depleted uranium that is used by our troops in the Mideast which is illegal but they use it anyway. Every time a weapon is discharged the residue from such ammunition is radioactive which lasts 30 million years and beyond which has caused thousands of birth defects in Iraqi children, yet not a word of it in the US media. Just Google Iraqi birth defects and you’ll see photographs of it. Of course it will affect our soldiers and has been affecting them for quite awhile. So when we talk about the loss of children I ask you all to look carefully and to think clearly without prejudice.

yes, think clearly without prejudice or paranoia.


I think public education of psychopathy is very important. I don’t believe we can change the psychopath. If we (the public) recognize them earlier (from our education/knowledge), we can track their behavior and/or isolate them (if necessary), to prevent them from hurting others.


Also of note is that these mass shooters are usually “boys” in their “late teens/early twenties”. Lets profile them. . (yes, I said profile) put our efforts into monitoring that demographic.


Skylar……..Spath Insurance. Spath Insurance. Wow….really tongue-in-cheek but absolutely spectacular in theory! And, people most certainly WOULD be educated about human predators……..

Really – it’s morbidly humorous, but it actually makes sense.


I also think that “Prescription” drugs play a large part. These kids are already unstable . . and to pump them with psychotropic drugs (that can make a normal person crazy), is insane.


Sarah, it’s a tricky and touchy situation. I actually (and, seriously) like Skylar’s suggestion about Spath Insurance.

But, what it boils down to is “privacy” and tolerance. And, like OxD mentioned, three cannot exist a Thought Police. Even if I were to describe in detail to my therapist what I planned to do to a coworker or someone else, there is a strict and step-by-step process to report this to the “proper authorities,” and it doesn’t always make it to the potential victim.


who said it was tongue in cheek?

I’m serious.

Yes, the imaginary conversation was humorous but I actually DID call my exspath “the creep”. My subconscious knew exactly what he was. I just wasn’t listening.

Insurance companies have immense power AND MONEY.
Even though they don’t insure against fraud (that I know of), spaths cause them to lose money all the time. So why not have them address the issue HEAD ON?

My exspath was cutting my brake lines. He was sabotaging people’s aircraft, he was poisoning me. All of these incidents can be covered by insurance (auto, aircraft, health), but why not address the CAUSE?

Anyone with any bit of education about spaths can see what my exspath is. Spaths can’t hide what they are when you know the red flags. If you find yourself calling a loved one by a pet name like, “creep”, “the monster” (my sister), “asshole” or the like, I think your subconscious is trying to tell you something.

kim frederick

Truthspeak and Skylar, remember the Geiko commercial with the antelope in night vision goggles? Listen to the narrator at the end of the commercial.

He says, “get Geico, get happy.”


I agree, Spath insurance is a GREAT idea.


Did anyone else notice that all the adults that Adam killed were women?

EDIT: After reading more and thinking more about this, it looks like perhaps it just happened to be women who were killed because they were the ones who tried to stop the carnage and gave their lives trying to protect the children. I don’t think they were necessarily targeted. I think there is just a larger percentage of female teachers in this country so it was odds. Heroes.


Louise, I think that the further the investigation goes, the more information will indicate that this young man probably harbored intense hatred against his mother and that there were clear and present signs that he was unstable.

A person doesn’t simply wake up one morning and determine that a massacre is in order in lieu of a job commute or scones with morning coffee. There are CLEAR warning signs over a period of time before someone goes off on a rampage like this one.

The very sad thing about these adults that were shot to death is that they are dead heroes. They lost their lives because one person went berserk. And, though I agree that the slain adults were absolute heroes, that can never bring them back or undo the damage that this one person caused. The adults and children who survived the massacre will require years of therapy to manage this experience. Most will probably suffer PSTD to a degree that I cannot even fathom. Some will likely have the rest of their natural lives defined by this event, and never recover.

Very, very sad and very, very horrific.

Brightest blessings


Dupey, happy Sunday, and great link – thank you.

Yes, the information about Adam Lanza and his issues has made it to the UK, which seems to have an even better graps on the journalism than the U.S. does.

U.S. news reports this morning confirmed that Adam Lanza was a very troubled youth, and that his mother had apparently been at loggerheads with the local School Board, though “what” the contentions were haven’t yet been disclosed.

The news reports this morning also painted Adam’s mother as a “gun enthusiast,” which is going to spark a HUGE debate about gun control. I have no view on this with regard to this site. But, what I DO know is that any parent that has a “troubled” child is playing Russian Roulette by having firearms in their home, unless they are kept in a locked gun safe.

It is not my intention to engage in victim-blame, here, but it very well may be inerpreted that way with “virtual communications” lacking in vocal inflection and body language cues. I’m simply dumbfounded that any parent would keep weapons and ammunition in a home with a clearly troubled youth living under the same roof.

My son suggested that this young man would have used butcher knives from the counter if guns had not been available. My response was, “Yeah, but the murder would have been confined to THAT house, because stabbing makes a killing very, very personal and requires an expenditure of energy that would likely not have gone beyond the walls of that home.”

As the information begins to trickle out about this young man, his issues, and family dynamics, I can’t imagine how his surviving family members must be feeling – I really can’t. For the poor victims of Adam’s rampage, there are “answers,” even if they aren’t good ones, and there is a perpetrator that committed the massacre to blame. What does a parent or sibling of the perpetrator feel? Whom can they turn to for comfort and reassurance that they didn’t cause their loved one to go on a murderous rampage?


We are trying to apply MOTIVES of normal people to somebody that is patently NOT Normal. His motive could have been as simple as JEALOUSY & POWER. i.e., He was miserable, and was determined to use any power he had (i.e., guns) make as many other people also miserable. And he did just that. Regarding why women and 6 years olds? They are the easiest targets!


Connecticut shooting: It is time for “people control.”

BRAVO! Despite the dreadful tragedy that prompted it, the instant I saw that headline I just had to APPLAUD! “PEOPLE control,” that’s what we need!

Whenever a tragedy of this kind strikes, there’s an immediate (and too depressingly predictable) knne-jerk reaction from certain people who instantly start screeching that what we need is “gun control.” But at the cost of parroting once again a familiar cliché—which is none the less true for all that—“GUNS don’t kill people. PEOPLE kill people!” Based on that fact, what we need beyond all doubt is not “gun control,” but “PEOPLE control”!

Control of the WRONG KINDS of “people,” that is. This Connecticut tragedy is particularly devastating because nearly all the victims—twenty of them—were small children six and seven years old. Yet the real impact of such a tragedy on public perception derives from the fact that these twenty children (along with the other victims) were all killed together at one time and in one place. Numbers like that are disturbing.

And yet, to put such events into perspective, numbers like that are actually INSIGNIFICANT compared with the total number of children killed by other means. As terrible as this mass murder of children may be, fortunately such events are comparatively rare, a school massacre on this scale occurring only every few years. By comparison, some authorities estimate that at least fifteen hundred children in the U.S. are killed by abuse and neglect every single year. Around a thousand of these are officially classed as homicides, but researchers suspect the true number of child deaths from abuse and neglect may be closer to three thousand every year. Twenty is a drop in the bucket compared with slaughter on such a scale. And it goes without saying that for small children especially, the chief perpetrators of these deaths are parents and other so-called “care”-givers, who are of course not fit to be looking after children.

How many of these perpetrators are themeeelves mentally ill or in some way personality disordered? Your guess is as good as mine, but it’s bound to be a huge proportion. Only a microscopic number of such incompetents and evildoers ever take a gun in hand and set out to murder children en masse, but in the aggregate the number of children they kill is colossal, certainly compared with the event in Connecticut. We do need better detection and control over a certain minority of defective and disordered people who are not fit to be running loose in our society, let alone “caring” for children.


Watch this

and this

Sandy Hook Elem: 3 Shooters (A CLOSE LOOK)

How many autistic children from happily divorced families do you know could have killed his MOM and then gone on a shooting spree at the school in a small town where everyone knew each other? and no one saw any concerns?

Look at who is responsible for the FAST and FURIOUS scandle regarding guns being given to drug cartels in Mexico (Answer: Eric Holder)

This kid is dead and his father was going to testify on the Libor case.

Please remove this article. This poor father has been through enough with loosing his child and his ex wife who was the mother of both of his children.

You are being played like a fiddle.


Sending my prayers to the victims of the Newtown massacre. G*d grant them strength.

Redwald wrote:
“And yet, to put such events into perspective, numbers like that are actually INSIGNIFICANT compared with the total number of children killed by other means. As terrible as this mass murder of children may be, fortunately such events are comparatively rare, a school massacre on this scale occurring only every few years. By comparison, some authorities estimate that at least fifteen hundred children in the U.S. are killed by abuse and neglect every single year. Around a thousand of these are officially classed as homicides, but researchers suspect the true number of child deaths from abuse and neglect may be closer to three thousand every year. Twenty is a drop in the bucket compared with slaughter on such a scale. And it goes without saying that for small children especially, the chief perpetrators of these deaths are parents and other so-called “care”-givers, who are of course not fit to be looking after children.”

Indeed! Let’s Use this to remind everyone of a need to increase awareness of the bigger picture. What has official (government) policy or corporate approaches done to contribute to or cause the deaths of thousands of innocents? How many more children are in poverty and malnourished? I bet that the biggest ‘hit’ has been taken by the middle class. How many bright, patriotic, decent young men and women have been ground-up in Iraq and Afghanistan? They will be missed by the communities back home.

Every time taxes go up (Usually to fuel questionable if not, wasteful government spending and salary increases that noone else is getting.), it affects the ability of people to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads. So often we hear: “It’s for the children.” But, often it seems that those that are benefitting are greedy adults. This could be making more people dependent on the kind of people that we don’t want making decisions for us.

Sociopathic dynamics are everywhere on the interpersonal level – but it would seem that sociopaths bring their approach, ‘values’ and modus operandi into the places where they work. People need to be more involved by asking questions and demanding accountability. And BTW, The mass media’s approach has been detrimental to this effort.


The batman killer’s father in Aurora was also going to testify on the $43 trillion dollar case. Do you know just how much money we are talking about? Break it down to about 3 million dollars per American.


Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives
by Gun Owners of America on Monday, October 6, 2008 at 11:43pm ·

A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year — or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.3

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.4

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of “Guns in America” — a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that “only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.”7

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year.8 Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as “Saturday Night Specials.”

B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.9

* Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:

* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;10 and

* If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.11

* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission… without paying a fee… or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union — having three times received the “Safest State Award.”12

* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida’s concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.13 FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period — thus putting the Florida rate below the national average. 14

* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.

1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.

2. And even the 155 “crimes” committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.15

C. Criminals avoid armed citizens

* Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.16

* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.17

* Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that burglars in the United States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign counterparts who live in countries where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing how often a homeowner is present when a burglar strikes:

* Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands: 45% (average of the three countries); and,

* Homeowner occupancy rate in the United States: 12.7%.18

Rapes averted when women carry or use firearms for protection

* Orlando, FL. In 1966-67, the media highly publicized a safety course which taught Orlando women how to use guns. The result: Orlando’s rape rate dropped 88% in 1967, whereas the rape rate remained constant in the rest of Florida and the nation.19

* Nationwide. In 1979, the Carter Justice Department found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes were actually successful.20

Justice Department study:

* 3/5 of felons polled agreed that “a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun.”21

* 74% of felons polled agreed that “one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime.”22

* 57% of felons polled agreed that “criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.”23

1 Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun,” 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, 1 (Fall 1995):164.
Dr. Kleck is a professor in the school of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee. He has researched extensively and published several essays on the gun control issue. His book, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, has become a widely cited source in the gun control debate. In fact, this book earned Dr. Kleck the prestigious American Society of Criminology Michael J. Hindelang award for 1993. This award is given for the book published in the past two to three years that makes the most outstanding contribution to criminology.
Even those who don’t like the conclusions Dr. Kleck reaches, cannot argue with his impeccable research and methodology. In “A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed,” Marvin E. Wolfgang writes that, “What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator…. I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research. Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime? It is hard to believe. Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected. We do not have contrary evidence.” Wolfgang, “A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed,” The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, at 188.
Wolfgang says there is no “contrary evidence.” Indeed, there are more than a dozen national polls — one of which was conducted by The Los Angeles Times — that have found figures comparable to the Kleck-Gertz study. Even the Clinton Justice Department (through the National Institute of Justice) found there were as many as 1.5 million defensive users of firearms every year. See National Institute of Justice, “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,” Research in Brief (May 1997).
As for Dr. Kleck, readers of his materials may be interested to know that he is a member of the ACLU, Amnesty International USA, and Common Cause. He is not and has never been a member of or contributor to any advocacy group on either side of the gun control debate.
2 According to the National Safety Council, the total number of gun deaths (by accidents, suicides and homicides) account for less than 30,000 deaths per year. See Injury Facts, published yearly by the National Safety Council, Itasca, Illinois.
3Kleck and Gertz, “Armed Resistance to Crime,” at 173, 185.
4Kleck and Gertz, “Armed Resistance to Crime,” at 185.
5 Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig, “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,” NIJ Research in Brief (May 1997); available at on the internet. The finding of 1.5 million yearly self-defense cases did not sit well with the anti-gun bias of the study’s authors, who attempted to explain why there could not possibly be one and a half million cases of self-defense every year. Nevertheless, the 1.5 million figure is consistent with a mountain of independent surveys showing similar figures. The sponsors of these studies — nearly a dozen — are quite varied, and include anti-gun organizations, news media organizations, governments and commercial polling firms. See also Kleck and Gertz, supra note 1, pp. 182-183.
6Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, (1991):111-116, 148.
7George F. Will, “Are We ‘a Nation of Cowards’?,” Newsweek (15 November 1993):93.
8Id. at 164, 185.
9Dr. Gary Kleck, interview with J. Neil Schulman, “Q and A: Guns, crime and self-defense,” The Orange County Register (19 September 1993). In the interview with Schulman, Dr. Kleck reports on findings from a national survey which he and Dr. Marc Gertz conducted in Spring, 1993 — a survey which findings were reported in Kleck and Gertz, “Armed Resistance to Crime.” br>10 One of the authors of the University of Chicago study reported on the study’s findings in John R. Lott, Jr., “More Guns, Less Violent Crime,” The Wall Street Journal (28 August 1996). See also John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” University of Chicago (15 August 1996); and Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (1998, 2000).
11Lott and Mustard, “Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns.”
12Kathleen O’Leary Morgan, Scott Morgan and Neal Quitno, “Rankings of States in Most Dangerous/Safest State Awards 1994 to 2003,” Morgan Quitno Press (2004) at Morgan Quitno Press is an independent private research and publishing company which was founded in 1989. The company specializes in reference books and monthly reports that compare states and cities in several different subject areas. In the first 10 years in which they published their Safest State Award, Vermont has consistently remained one of the top five safest states.
13Memo by Jim Smith, Secretary of State, Florida Department of State, Division of Licensing, Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report (October 1, 2002).
14Florida’s murder rate was 11.4 per 100,000 in 1987, but only 5.5 in 2002. Compare Federal Bureau of Investigation, “Crime in the United States,” Uniform Crime Reports, (1988): 7, 53; and FBI, (2003):19, 79.
15 John R. Lott, Jr., “Right to carry would disprove horror stories,” Kansas City Star, (July 12, 2003).
16Gary Kleck, “Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force,” Social Problems 35 (February 1988):15.
17Compare Kleck, “Crime Control,” at 15, and Chief Dwaine L. Wilson, City of Kennesaw Police Department, “Month to Month Statistics: 1991.” (Residential burglary rates from 1981-1991 are based on statistics for the months of March – October.)
18Kleck, Point Blank, at 140.
19Kleck, “Crime Control,” at 13.
20U.S. Department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities (1979), p. 31.
21U.S., Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, “The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons,” Research Report (July 1985): 27.


I think I understand where you are coming from with this article, but I am very uneasy with the term “people control.” Forced medication is not something I can agree with. There is too much evidence now out there which suggests a link between psychiatric meds and increasing violence, suicidal thoughts, unpredictable behavior. I know that not everyone will agree with me. And I know that many people believe they have been helped by antidepressants.

I used to think they were helpful or at least not harmful. But I no longer think so. I believe they cause permanent changes (damage) to brains. Perhaps they initially seem (in some cases) to help. But I think we are like monkeys doing brain surgery — we really DO NOT KNOW how these things work, or even if they DO work, and there are too many greedy pharmaceutical and other interests pushing them. Is that primarily an American problem? Do other countries also push pharmaceuticals like we do?

So the idea of forced medication to me is horrific. It is like forced sterilization, or forced lobotomy. There are many much less harmful and very effective herbal and nutritional remedies for most health conditions, but the pharmaceutical and medical community would rather keep that fact suppressed, as they are not patentable. Our healthcare system is more about greed and profit, “managing” illness, than about actually healing people.

I understand that some people who are psychotic (not psychopathic) are out of touch with reality.

I also believe that it is worthwhile looking into nutritional therapies (for instance, GAPS diet has helped many people with all sorts of “brain disorders” as well as anxiety).

I am not sure what “the answer” is and I understand the impulse to want to try to fix something like this, to prevent any more rampages. “gun control,” “people control” — well you know, you may WANT to “control” it, but you can’t. That is a lesson that is very hard to learn. It is not a fatalistic viewpoint, though it will seem so, to people still stuck in the “control” paradigm. It is more about understanding the true cause of things. It is not always easy to see this.

Absolutely the link between violent behavior and psychiatric meds must be looked into, as well as violent behavior and mental illness (unmedicated). I am appalled by the knee-jerk reaction to ban guns, without discussing all of the many contributing factors.

To jump to solutions without fully understanding the cause is but a well-meaning bandaid that could end up distracting us from the real underlying causes of rampages like this, and do real harm to individuals.

I do agree that parents for the most part should be the ones to raise the child (apart from a ‘state interest in’ the child). There are too many instances of the State stepping in and taking control away from the parents.

I also disagree with one-size-fits all policies which remove our ability and permission to make decisions which make sense, given the particular situation — for example, an Autistic child who is not fully independent — certainly, they need a parent or guardian to help support them. They are not independent adults because they have reached the magical age of 18. But “control?” No — I cannot agree with “people control.” That is abhorrent to me. MORE control is not going to help us as a society. It is a slippery slope.

There are several things about this horrific event which still do not make sense to me. Until facts are revealed, I’m waiting. But very uncomfortable with any demonizing of the parents in this case, Autistic young adults, or even of the apparent shooter himself. We really do not know, at this point, what happened, let alone why.


20 years

I haven’t read everything but, I don’t think the mother has been demonized for including her son in her hobby of target practicing with different firearms. I do however think it was incredibly irresponsible of her and in very poor judgement if in fact, that is what she did. Her son was obviously very, very “troubled” for a very long time. I realize she was killed and I hesitate to speak negatively about her but…



We have to remember you cannot label all individuals that have some type of a Mental Health Condition.
Yes it is easy to say yes ban them all.
The real problem is the lack of federal laws regarding the safe storage of firearms and ammunition. As well restricting assault type long arms.
In Canada, all firearms must be secured in a lock firearms approved storage unit, with ammunition clips remove and trigger locks place on each firearm. Then the ammunition of the firearms must be stored in a secured container, separate from the firearms.
The owner of these firearms are then responsible of the keys, etc. to access these firearms and ammunition.
A firearm when not in use must be securedly stored.
Transporting a firearm(s) must be done using a secured unit and placed in the rear of the vehicle (trunk).
Plus all firearm owners, prior to obtaining a first firearm, must attend and pass an accredited Firearms Course. A firearm owner is also responsible to let an individual use a firearm who has not passed an accredited Firearms Course
All firearm owners need to be held accountable.
The first ammendment stated a “trained militia” is this not the military.
Remember we are not living in the days of the “American Revolution”.
If citizens have the right to bear arms, then the Federal Governament then has the power to pass laws regulating firearms.
Lastly, any firearm that is classified as a restricted firearm, then all those type of firearms presently owned must be surrender to the proper authorities.
With all the past incidents of the shooting of innocent individuals, has not been properly addressed, regarding as to the safe storage of such firearms.
The U.S. Senate and Congress must pass the appropriate laws to protect all citizens of the United States, if not, then they become liable for not doing such.
God bless “Newtown”.



to clarify, I didn’t mean that anyone on Lovefraud had “demonized” the mother, but this is certainly going on in the media.

It’s a very hard thing…. all of the facts in this particular case are not made public yet, and yet all of this speculating is going on. I keep thinking, this is not a hypothetical situation — these are real human beings and of course it is affecting many people who do not know them personally, but it is still, in a way, gossip.

But the situation itself can be generalized, I think, and talk about any common factors to these types of things.

It’s just that, in this particular case, there’s a lot we don’t know yet. Even, whether or not this boy was “troubled” (whatever that means). I just mean, a special needs child can BE a lot of trouble (or work, or a challenge), without actually being “troubled.” These are things we do not actually KNOW.


Punishment vs Preventive care is the real issue at hand. Our society has for too long relied on the former, and ignored the latter, calling into question the effectiveness of either to stop murders. The complexity of the problem cannot be overstated, yet experts are now coming forward to present hard findings pointing to childhood neglect, and abuse, as the trigger for violent behavior lying dormant in children needing immediate attention, even as newborns. The stigma of mental illness is blamed for parents refusing to bring such behavior to the attention of doctors, who invariably prescribe powerful drugs, not to cure, but to sedate the child, and in effect, “kick the can” down to the next health provider. Advancement in the fields of psychology and brain studies have provided hope in the prevention and treatment of violent behavior, and though Obamacare includes provisions for mental health care, it is not, as yet, funded.

Instead of rallying behind a near hopeless effort to ban assault weapons, which according to the most recent findings of the last ten year ban (expired) had no measurable effect on gun related crimes, we should be calling for more mental health care, more public awareness to combat the stigma (as was done for autism), and of course, more funding.

Fear is the enemy of reason, let’s not lose our heads to broken hearts. The fear of punishment is lost on the mentally disturbed.

Ox Drover

John Zane, you said “The fear of punishment is lost on the mentally disturbed. ” You are right in many ways.

The psychopath doesn’t fear prison or probation or parole….s/he ignores the rules. 60% of all parolees commit new felonies within 3 years of release. Psychopaths commit 70-80% of all violent crime. 75% of all Domestic abusers are psychopaths.

Incarcerating these people keeps crime on the street down. Unfortunately 90+ percent of all inmates will be released eventually.

Right now we have the highest rate of incarceration per capita, over 2 million inmates, and 5+ million on parole/probation BUT CRIME RATES of all kinds are actually DOWN. So you know, it seems to me with more psychopaths in prison AND crime is down, there may be some correlation there.

Lock’em up and throw away the key is my solution when they have proven themselves violent.


OxD, I agree. This is the time to discuss options on addressing mental illness, HIPPA laws, and how to educate people on mental illness and remove the STIGMA. I do not believe that now is the time to debate gun control. The community of Newtown is just beginning the arduous task of processing what happened, and the Nation, as a whole, is still too raw to even approach the issue.

If sociopathic criminals are, as OxD suggested, removed from society and disallowed a return to the society that they harmed, it takes one more variable out of the equation.

Spath Island. Give them produce seeds, a couple of head of livestock, and let them sort it out amongst themselves. Even IF there were a means to escape from the island, it would be at a risk of life and limb – often, the very things that the spaths have taken from their victims.

Harsh? Yeah, it is. Sensible? Yepper – no cost to house or guard them.

Brightest blessings


I believe P/S/N/A’s is not a mental disturbance (such as schizophrenia & autism etc). P/S/N/A’s are lacking a conscience. I believe they “become” mentally disturbed when they’re pumped with psychotropic drugs. We are animals, and N/P/S/A’s don’t feel that anything is wrong with them, just like sharks or lions don’t feel anything is wrong with them when they kill, i.e., animals have no conscience . . which serves their purpose. This lack of conscience is very useful for P/N/S/A’s also. It helps them get what they want . . . power, control & sex.
So our challenge on a very basic level is two fold:
1) how to recognize those people who have no conscience and
2) what to do about it.
Psychotropic drugs (IMHO) makes it worse (because it confounds the problem).


Sarah999, I am in complete agreement that, since those “disorders” cannot be treated with any allopathic drugs, surgery, or spiritually epiphany that it may be termed “disordered,” but is clearly a CONDITION.

And, yes……prescribed and illegal medications can only exacerbate their behaviors. UGH….what to do?

Live in a cave, I guess.

Brightest blessings

Ox Drover

Since there is no blood test that can distinguish psychopathic people from “typical” people we as a society have a problem.

That problem is that these people roam around in our society and manipulate other members of society for their own purposes.

Some of these people violate moral and social laws but do not violate criminal laws, or they violate the lower level of the criminal laws. Even still, the social and emotional damage they do to those in which they come into contact is painful to those victims.

Some of these people with no or a low level of conscience commit crimes for which sanctions such as probation, jail, prison or fines are ordained by the criminal justice system. Even those who have committed very violent crimes are usually eventually released back into society after spending long period of time being kept away from normal society. They have usually had little or no rehabilitation training, job training or moral or social training. The system encourages their relatives to take them back into their homes so the state doesn’t have to put them into a half way house which is funded with tax dollars, but only a small proportion of inmates released on parole don’t get convicted of another felony within 3 years….and during that time from release to reconviction they have been within the family doing WHAT? Setting an example for their kids? Going to PTA meetings and Boy Scout camp outs with their kids? Not [email protected] SNORT!!! Most likely they have been drinking, drugging beating the old lady, smacking the kids around and figuring out how to keep their parole officer happy without actually doing what he says…like looking for a job.


Thank you, Lianne for your post and all the comments that support the need for changes!
While there is the fact that “predicting” violence is fallible, it is known that “oddities” in behavior are obvious and young children can identify classmates with “odd behaviors”. Not all odd children are “ill”, but certainly all should be able to meet a range of normal cognitive, physical, social, and emotional development. Development that is not within a normal range should be a flag!
The health system including behavioral health have to honor the rights “to refuse treatment” and non compliance with tx is a huge problem. And, seriously mentally ill persons are not quite capable of managing their own care. One can lock up someone for 3 days …but that is a band aid on a huge wound.
I, too, have been quite surprised by parents who balked at securing sharps, weapons in the house with children, especially those undergoing mental health tx. I am saying this from past experience as a provider; certainly have no insight into this recent, horrible tragedy.
The schools can provide support system in educational needs and do their best to educate and protect our young citizens.
Guns don’t kill, but people do.
The multi system approach will need changes: laws, supportive law enforcement, health/behavioral health, and family/community action support including persuading the media to curtail violence aimed at children/teens as “entertainment”.
We, the people, need to stand and demand that there be changes on all levels.
Sending prayers to all victims and their families and for the enlightenment of our culture to enact ways to have the courage to demand changes to promote healthy families and stress prevention.

Ox Drover

Oh,, a point I meant to make before I went off on the RANT was that “TYPHOID MARY” used to be a food service worker who had been identified as a CARRIER of the dreaded TYPHOID which could kill thousands of people.

Mary was told NOT TO WORK AROUND FOOD but she repeatedly did get jobs in cafeterias and working serving food so finally she was locked up because she was a DANGER to society.

From Wiki

Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 ”“ November 11, 1938), better known as Typhoid Mary, was the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the pathogen associated with typhoid fever. She was presumed to have infected some 51 people, three of whom died, over the course of her career as a cook.[1] She was forcibly isolated twice by public health authorities and died after a total of nearly three decades in isolation.


Why is it so hard for people to spot a psychopath/sociopath?

I am interested in learning facts about this shooter’s life. Because I firmly believe that there are always signs and red flags in the case of sociopaths or psychopaths. I don’t believe a person could live a normal life for 20 years and then suddenly turn into a psychopath (personality disorder).

I’m interested in the brother’s remark reported by the media that his brother had a “personality disorder.” Details, please.

Did he torture animals? play with explosives? taunt people? lie and then lie about the lying?

Did he exhibit genuine empathy or just fake empathy? Remorse?

I guess I’m just saying, what type of personality disorder (if so), and was he formally diagnosed? Will we ever know?

And the history (if any) of pharmaceutical or other drug use? Will we get any report from the autopsy about drugs in his bloodstream at the time?


In the case of my ex (spath) husband, now that I have the perspective of years, I am able to piece together the red flags from his boyhood. His personality did not alter when he married me (in our late 20s). He was always that way. I just didn’t believe, so I didn’t see the red flags for what they were.

I do not know enough yet about this case, to be able to understand the relationship of the guns in the household, the mother, the son. If there never were any red flags to begin with so there was little reason to believe her son was a danger to her or society. Or if there were red flags, but the mother didn’t see them because she didn’t know about psychopathy and red flags. Or if her son’s doctor failed to warn her or invalidated her concerns, brushing them aside. Or if there was a diagnosed personality disorder and psychiatric medication, was that not an indication that the mother should make a supreme effort to ensure the guns should be secured at all times? Or not own guns at all, or keep them elsewhere (like at the shooting range)? How did the guns get unsecured so that he could get them while she slept? I ask these questions because most gun owners are very serious about safety and securing their firearms, particularly around children (and I would put a special needs, not independent young adult in this category).

I hope we get some answers. And less knee-jerk emotion. More old fashioned, truth-seeking detective work.



I doubt if this kid was really a liar. From everything I have read, he barely ever even TALKED to anyone. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t lie about things, but it sounded like he communicated very little with ANYONE. I think he was just a very odd, disturbed child (with some kind of obvious disorder probably along with Asperger’s) who eventually snapped for whatever reasons. Only he and God will know.

Ox Drover

The fact that this mother was “home schooling” a kid at age 20 is odd in itself.

According to her face book posts, she was looking for a school for him a place for her to move so that he could go to some kind of school.

With the father and the brother going NC with this kid, there was OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING TOXIC ABOUT HIM but the mother hung in there with the MALIGNANT HOPE that she could save the son from whatever demons he had.

Also,, the mother had recently found out she had a half sister via her dad that she did not know ANYTHING about…the father had left that and her mother and then married Adam’s grandmother and that previous marriage and chihld were a BIG FAMILY secret.

Why did grandpa leave this previous woman and child? Was HE a psychopath? Was the child’s mother a psychopath?

Adam’s mother had expressed an interest in solving this family secret and getting to know her half sister.

I am sure that every “secret” thing about this family will be dug out, down to the last 100 years. Emotional and mental autopsies done over and over. May be made public may not be made public, but I feel for the father and the brother that lived…and for the sister that Adam’s mother never got to know.


I think there have just been too many contradictory assertions released in this case, it is all very confusing and I don’t know what is fact and what is fiction or opinion or conjecture. Believe me, I’ve been trying. you think you know something, then the next day the news release a correction or contradiction. First she’s a kindergarten teacher and shot in her classroom. Then just a substitute. Then no connection with the school. The father is killed. The father is not killed. He was on drugs. he was not on drugs. This drug. No, this other drug. He’s being homeschooled. No, he *was* homeschooled but went to a local high school and was attending college classes part-time. The mother was looking for a new school for him. No, she was going to have him committed to a mental facility. He plays video games. Violent ones. No, just Mario Bros. He was a loner. No, he had friends. He was troubled. No, he was just odd. The children were killed with an AR-15. No, a bushmaster. No, that was in the trunk; he used pistols. All of the children’s bodies were identified from photographs. ??? (excuse me, but I would want to see my child’s body, no matter what.)

I really hope to know the truth at some point. At this point, I cannot say that I do. I’ve never seen a more confused presentation of any serious event. I cannot understand why it is so hard to consistently report the facts and be clear on what is merely speculation, and not confuse the two.

All I can say right now is that I cannot separate the facts from the stories.

that is the most suspicious part of all, the false reporting.
I’ve never seen so much false information go out on any story. The media would not have reported falsely if they hadn’t been fed false information. Who did that? Who does that? I can just imagine some spathy law enforcement officer doing it. My spath had all the cops around here in his pocket and they had no problem manipulating me just for laughs.

There is one thing that is consistently reported, the kid never looked at anyone in the face. He was always looking at the floor. That is an obvious expression of shame. He was suffering from a severe case of shame. Pinpointing when that started would be helpful.

kim frederick

Who are the people providing this information to the media? Are these the people who interact with this family? I think this confusing amalgamation of contradiction is a reflection of the world this kid lived in. Just a thought. It sounds like no one really knew much of anything… sounds like this dysfunctional family might have been wearing a spath mask.

Ox Drover

The talking heads are saying anything just to get on the air FIRST. I get more truthful news from the London tabloids than from MSNBC, Fox or any other US news source.

But Oxy, they aren’t making this stuff up. Someone is feeding them. They said the father was shot in the home.

You know what? This reminds me of the last con by my spath. He called me and told me he was going to tell the crazy husband stealing neighbor that I had killed myself and he had cut my body up and put it in plastic garbage bags. He said he was going to ask her to help him move the bags.

Then the story changed. Apparently, he told her that he had killed me, chopped me up and put me down the well, so she called the cops.

Then he told the cops that it was all a joke. But they were calling me demanding that I show up and stop wasting precious police resources. 😯

See the pattern?

Ox Drover

I’m not so sure they are not taking half stories and embellishing them….or just reporting rumors as facts. Someone outside thhe school who knew nothing might have said “wasn’t his mother a teacher there”? so they reported it as fact.

Someone somewhere else is dead, and of course mother is inside the school dead, so it must be daddy is dead…report dad is dead.

Those reporters should be fired.


Honestly, as Skylar said in a different thread (I think), I have wondered, am I becoming a “paranoid nutjob?”

However, this spath education I’ve received over the past 2 years on Lovefraud, especially, has opened my eyes pretty wide.

I think I certainly must still have a lot to learn. I continue to be open.

My ability to think critically is increasing dramatically, I think as a result of the experience of betrayal by deception of the spaths in my life, and the process of dissecting THEIR motivations and modus operandi.

This ability translates to other things — like discerning truth/lies in just about everything.

Believe me, in many ways life seemed much easier when I was still a gullible person. Is the opposite of gullible a “paranoid nutjob?” Or is is this realistic? Or is it just a step along the way in my process of learning to discern truth/lies, and developing my own compass to navigate a world where evil and spaths exist — no, not around every corner, not in every person, but certainly it is there, pervasive, like a sticky, dirty film covering almost everything.

And I never saw it before. Because I didn’t know such a thing existed.

Right now, I’m not feeling like a “nutjob.” I’m not even feeling particularly paranoid because to me that word implies fear. I don’t really feel fear.

I do feel some impatience, irritation and a bit of moral outrage against the liars and weak people who are knowingly allowing themselves to be manipulated by this situation. And people who are sleepwalking through it, being manipulated without their knowledge…. I feel pity and also some impatience and frustration, because they don’t see what I see. Yet, for the first 48 years of my life, I wouldn’t have seen it either, and I would have thought someone like myself (now) to be a paranoid nutjob.

At this point, all I can say for certain is that we are being manipulated and lied to, and that makes me angry. Especially because I can see that so many people are being fooled by it.

These inconsistencies in reporting, whatever the cause, are outrageous and inexcusable. If someone is misled and misreports, then that person should issue a correction and an apology, with an explanation of how the error occurred.

We cannot afford to not know the truth — whatever it is. Something simple, something a bit more complex, something sinister or not.

What is happening in the media is NOT reporting. Even the very fact that our media is NOT REPORTING (you know, like they used to do?) is not being spoken about. It is as though we have all collectively forgotten what good reporting is, and we just passively accept this mix of lies and truth being fed to us.

Hey, does that sound familiar? A mix of lies and truth?

I have to ask, why, and what might that mean.

I am open to discovering the truth. I would welcome hearing some real reporters frankly admitting to and explaining how this mix of truth and lies has been allowed to stand, especially in this case which is SO IMPORTANT and significant, affecting all of us in very fundamental ways.

We all feel the impact, and we will all feel the impact of any government action taken to “prevent future mass killings.”

So these decisions had better be based in truth and reality, and not some pathological mix of manipulative truth and lies.

That’s all I’m saying. I see the pattern.

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