Man, it’s not easy out there. Your partner clearly has a major personality disturbance, but sometimes separating borderline, narcissistic and sociopathic behavior can be hard. Real tough. Especially when there are spill-over behaviors, cross-contaminating behaviors and attitudes (as there often are) that further muddy the diagnostic waters.
Let’s look at rage, for instance. Rage is a major marker of the borderline and narcissistic personality. Sociopaths, being essentially malignant, high-end narcissists, like any full-blown narcissist, are also capable of frightful, bullying, abusive rages.
The borderline’s rage, much like the narcissist’s, tends to be elicted by disappoinment. And it’s not always “abandonment”-related. When the borderline, much like the narcissist, feels uncatered to, neglected or invalidated, WATCH OUT!!!!
The “tsunami” will be coming in a gigantic, overwhelming, RATIONALIZED WAVE. That wave will crash on you with shocking, destructive force, threatening to take your legs out from under you.
The sociopath’s rage is also elicited, commonly, by the frustration of his needs, demands, expectations. When that’s not the case, he may be salivating for some excitement, perhaps to escape the accumulating tension of his boredom; and so he may want a good dust-up to entertain himself: Unleashing his rage in a bullying assault may do the trick.
Remorse for the impact and damage of their rages is often missing in all three cases. Incredible, really INCREDIBLE rationalization, plus the astounding absence of self-reflection and accountability, is commonly missing as well.
The borderline feels as justified in his raging as the narcissist. His raging is pure narcissism being acted-out in the moment. The borderline, it is true, may later plead for forgiveness, but this is not always the case. Some borderlines will not pursue you at all after they’ve degraded you in a rage.
And not to confuse matters, but some narcissists and sociopaths will lobby for your forgiveness and amnesty after abusive displays in sometimes florid gestures of contrition.
The borderline and narcissist are both notorious vacillators along the idealizing-devaluing continuum. They are both “splitters” in the sense of perceiving others in rigidly black and white ways. When in their good graces, you are fantastic; their greatest luck and good fortune was to have met you; but disappoint them, and you are likely, suddenly, abruptly, to qualify as the worst, most despicable person they ever had the misfortune to cross paths with.
Sociopaths, in this sense, may be so disconnected, so pathologically disengaged from, and indifferent to, the emotional lives of others that, paradoxically, they may bring less of this particular kind of “splitting” drama to the table than borderlines and the typical narcissist.
This isn’t to suggest that sociopaths don’t “act out” in an outrageous variety of destructive ways. They can, and do.
And devaluation and contempt of others deeply, definingly characterizes the sociopath’s perspective; it’s just that the sociopath may actually exercise, and experience, his twisted emotional disconnection from others with sometimes (but not always!) less volatility than your typical borderline or narcissist. He may sometimes be more predictably, continuously indifferent, contemptuous and emotionally uninvested in others than his borderline or narcissistic counterpart.
The borderline can be callous and cruel, as can the narcissist and sociopath. Hmmm. When we are dealing with a callous, cruel individual whose aim is to BE DESTRUCTIVE (at least in the moment), with no compunction or remorse, but only contempt and hate for the object of his rage, then at least, for the moment, it may be somewhat immaterial which personality disorder we’re dealing with.
We may know later, but at the time, what difference does it really make? The individual’s present intent is clear—to hurt, destroy, inflict pain (in the borderline’s case, perhaps to discharge his pain by inflicting pain). But the experience on the other end, on your end, may be largely the same. You will feel variously abused, humiliated, threatened, degraded.
As noted, all three personality types may (or may not) later show contrition, thus contrition doesn’t accurately distinguish them. Plus, gauging the sincerity of an apology, its depth, is tough business. So again, this isn’t easy. Who are we dealing with? And does it even, always, matter?
I might add this rather vague, but possibly valid, observation: When borderlines aren’t “borderlining,” they are often really good and good-hearted individuals. They are often generous, authentic, sensitive and giving individuals. This is obviously a generalization. There are “borderlines” who, even when they aren’t raging, may be self-centered, jerky individuals, unpleasant and messed up in a million other ways. Still, many borderlines when they’re functioning above their “rage modes” are genuinely engaged, empathic, loving individuals.
You can not say this about the sociopath. This doesn’t mean the sociopath can’t “put this on.” But the sociopath, even when he isn’t obviously “sociopathing,” is always who he is at bottom: a cold, empty, empathically deficient, transgressive-minded individual who, at best, covers up his core contempt of others’ dignity and boundaries.
Not so with borderline personalities.
And narcissists who aren’t full-blown, those who retain a capacity to reflect on their narcissism (as some do) and its impact on those around them–which is tantamount to saying they retain a capacity (in less self-centered states of mind) to reflect on their impact on others with some degree of empathy–these narcissists, too, may be capable of authentic generosity, engagement and compassion, which makes them less incorrigible (and perhaps thus even more confusing) than the sociopath who, if he may sometimes present as the more stable, consistent personality, is clearly the most pathological of them all.
This article is intended to introduce the complicated challenge of differientating these volatile, destructive personalities; it is the first of several I intend to write.
(This article was copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronoun was strictly for convenience’s sake and not to imply that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
kim:
Thanks for that…it is what I am experiencing…NVS. Good reading about it out there…
“Is BPD due primarily to parenting? I read somewhere that it was. Is that true?”
JUst like with sociopaths, there mostly likely are genetic, epigenetic and sociological factors. Interestingly, since BPD is largely a female disorder, it might be the female expression of the same factors causing sociopathy, which is largely a male disorder.
I did do some reading on Narcissistic Victim Syndrome.
I noticed that they said this often presents in middle age women. I’ve also noticed that many of us here are middle age as well.
I’ve been wondering if that’s because that’s how long it takes before we give up trying to make a bad situation good and have finally started looking for other causes and kinds of help.
In other words, it isn’t that the condition doesn’t manifest until middle age or later; it’s because we’ve finally reached a point when we’re finally ready to admit that this isn’t working. The conditions and resulting conditions have been there all along. It simply takes this long before people can recognize it’s not them.
Which leads me to believe that if the education gets out there, people will start asking questions and looking for help at a younger age.
Somebody might conclude that NVS is “starting” to affect younger people. My contention is that it has been there all along.
Before I forget – I loved the idea of charging the bystanders. In addition to the freak shows, we could have a whole amusement park made up of P rides and games. Bonk the P on the head and things like that.
G1S, what a superb point. It takes TIME to sort out the experiences and younger adults are not congizant of “time” in its true sense. More often than not, it takes YEARS of exposure to sociopathy before a person can clearly recognize what’s going on. I made the choice to watch “Who The Bleep Did I Marry,” and some of these scams went on for YEARS until one singular moment in time when the spath mask/cover fell aside. That one text message. That one gym bag of documents. It’s that one moment in time that causes the proverbial wheels to begin turning.
P-games:
* Whack-a-Spath
* Spath Attack
* PacSpath
* Halo Spath
Behind Blue Eyes ~ Excellent questions. I look forward to the answer. I have a couple questions to add to yours. If BPD is part of the same spectrum, in the “anti-social personality disorders” why is it considered treatable? Or isn’t it?
Also, if someone is diagnosed BPD and bipolar, would the manic episodes of the bipolar send the BPD symptoms into “overdrive”?
Thanks. I will be looking forward to more articles written on this confusing subject.
Truthspeak and G1S, I agree that the reason most of those presenting are middle aged is because of years and years of exposure. The process of instilling self doubt and confusion in the victim, the cognitive dissonance, the resulting depression and dissacociation are natural responses to narcissistic abuse. Trauma bonding at it’s finest. In “The betrayal bond”, Patric Carnes explains that the victim often has a full blown life crises and this is the beginning of healing…but before that happens, the victim denies and cajoles, and ignores and disasociates, because they truley believe there’s no way out. These behaviors actually protect the victim from more abuse, but at a great cost. Eventually the whole edifice comes tumbling down.
BBE, not sure about the parenting styles of the parents of BPD’s. There is some research that suggests these parents have an emotional investment in keeping their children dependant. They discourage the “growing up” process in their children by overtly or covertly infantilizing. They reward dependant behaviors, and punish self-sufficiency, by with-holding, emotional abandonment, and neglect.
The child learns to act accordingly, out of fear of losing the parents love. At the same time the childs sense of self-sufficiency is eroded and they feel shame and anger at the parent for these dependancy needs.
Sky ~ hysterical concept ~
* I keep deleting my comments, because they are so – so – politically, socially incorrect. I will leave them to your imagination.
GIS, Truthspeak, I think there is something to be said for the idea that it takes time – perhaps until middle age – before we recognize what’s going on. Wisdom, maybe?
I met my spath in middle age, and dumped him in middle age, so it didn’t take me 20 years of text messages and gym bags full of documents. Actually, it took 1 year to figure it out, and three years to get rid of him.
But, in healing from my relationship with my spath, I uncovered the truth behind it – all the pain and disfunction from my family of origin. And THAT took a long time to bubble up, for me.
I think it’s related to wisdom.
Milo, I understand that BPD is treatable, but is usually very long term. Most clinicians don’t want to treat BPD’s because they are seen as difficult patients.
A younger person might dismiss things due to being inexperienced with life and secretly fear that he or she did something wrong, not knowing that he or she did nothing wrong – they got attacked by a P.
The way these things read, it sounds like middle age women are somehow flawed at this age, which is why they can’t cope. I suspect the reality is that by the time people reach middle age, they’re worn down by the repeated crap and have finally come to their wit’s end.
Another thing is by the time somebody gets to middle age, they’ve heard the excuses, seen how “the system” doesn’t work, and are waking up that nobody or no agency is really helping them. They are tired of being told to take a number and getting very little to show for their efforts.