Man, it’s not easy out there. Your partner clearly has a major personality disturbance, but sometimes separating borderline, narcissistic and sociopathic behavior can be hard. Real tough. Especially when there are spill-over behaviors, cross-contaminating behaviors and attitudes (as there often are) that further muddy the diagnostic waters.
Let’s look at rage, for instance. Rage is a major marker of the borderline and narcissistic personality. Sociopaths, being essentially malignant, high-end narcissists, like any full-blown narcissist, are also capable of frightful, bullying, abusive rages.
The borderline’s rage, much like the narcissist’s, tends to be elicted by disappoinment. And it’s not always “abandonment”-related. When the borderline, much like the narcissist, feels uncatered to, neglected or invalidated, WATCH OUT!!!!
The “tsunami” will be coming in a gigantic, overwhelming, RATIONALIZED WAVE. That wave will crash on you with shocking, destructive force, threatening to take your legs out from under you.
The sociopath’s rage is also elicited, commonly, by the frustration of his needs, demands, expectations. When that’s not the case, he may be salivating for some excitement, perhaps to escape the accumulating tension of his boredom; and so he may want a good dust-up to entertain himself: Unleashing his rage in a bullying assault may do the trick.
Remorse for the impact and damage of their rages is often missing in all three cases. Incredible, really INCREDIBLE rationalization, plus the astounding absence of self-reflection and accountability, is commonly missing as well.
The borderline feels as justified in his raging as the narcissist. His raging is pure narcissism being acted-out in the moment. The borderline, it is true, may later plead for forgiveness, but this is not always the case. Some borderlines will not pursue you at all after they’ve degraded you in a rage.
And not to confuse matters, but some narcissists and sociopaths will lobby for your forgiveness and amnesty after abusive displays in sometimes florid gestures of contrition.
The borderline and narcissist are both notorious vacillators along the idealizing-devaluing continuum. They are both “splitters” in the sense of perceiving others in rigidly black and white ways. When in their good graces, you are fantastic; their greatest luck and good fortune was to have met you; but disappoint them, and you are likely, suddenly, abruptly, to qualify as the worst, most despicable person they ever had the misfortune to cross paths with.
Sociopaths, in this sense, may be so disconnected, so pathologically disengaged from, and indifferent to, the emotional lives of others that, paradoxically, they may bring less of this particular kind of “splitting” drama to the table than borderlines and the typical narcissist.
This isn’t to suggest that sociopaths don’t “act out” in an outrageous variety of destructive ways. They can, and do.
And devaluation and contempt of others deeply, definingly characterizes the sociopath’s perspective; it’s just that the sociopath may actually exercise, and experience, his twisted emotional disconnection from others with sometimes (but not always!) less volatility than your typical borderline or narcissist. He may sometimes be more predictably, continuously indifferent, contemptuous and emotionally uninvested in others than his borderline or narcissistic counterpart.
The borderline can be callous and cruel, as can the narcissist and sociopath. Hmmm. When we are dealing with a callous, cruel individual whose aim is to BE DESTRUCTIVE (at least in the moment), with no compunction or remorse, but only contempt and hate for the object of his rage, then at least, for the moment, it may be somewhat immaterial which personality disorder we’re dealing with.
We may know later, but at the time, what difference does it really make? The individual’s present intent is clear—to hurt, destroy, inflict pain (in the borderline’s case, perhaps to discharge his pain by inflicting pain). But the experience on the other end, on your end, may be largely the same. You will feel variously abused, humiliated, threatened, degraded.
As noted, all three personality types may (or may not) later show contrition, thus contrition doesn’t accurately distinguish them. Plus, gauging the sincerity of an apology, its depth, is tough business. So again, this isn’t easy. Who are we dealing with? And does it even, always, matter?
I might add this rather vague, but possibly valid, observation: When borderlines aren’t “borderlining,” they are often really good and good-hearted individuals. They are often generous, authentic, sensitive and giving individuals. This is obviously a generalization. There are “borderlines” who, even when they aren’t raging, may be self-centered, jerky individuals, unpleasant and messed up in a million other ways. Still, many borderlines when they’re functioning above their “rage modes” are genuinely engaged, empathic, loving individuals.
You can not say this about the sociopath. This doesn’t mean the sociopath can’t “put this on.” But the sociopath, even when he isn’t obviously “sociopathing,” is always who he is at bottom: a cold, empty, empathically deficient, transgressive-minded individual who, at best, covers up his core contempt of others’ dignity and boundaries.
Not so with borderline personalities.
And narcissists who aren’t full-blown, those who retain a capacity to reflect on their narcissism (as some do) and its impact on those around them–which is tantamount to saying they retain a capacity (in less self-centered states of mind) to reflect on their impact on others with some degree of empathy–these narcissists, too, may be capable of authentic generosity, engagement and compassion, which makes them less incorrigible (and perhaps thus even more confusing) than the sociopath who, if he may sometimes present as the more stable, consistent personality, is clearly the most pathological of them all.
This article is intended to introduce the complicated challenge of differientating these volatile, destructive personalities; it is the first of several I intend to write.
(This article was copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronoun was strictly for convenience’s sake and not to imply that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Truthspeak,
Love your games!
We could have “throw the rotten tomatoes at the judges” and Dunk-A-Lawyer, too.
Kim F – we posted over each other.
I understand you are talking about research that just suggests possibilities. My daughter was diagnosed with BPD. The research that suggests “parents have an emotional investment in keeping their children dependent” or “reward dependent behaviors, and punish self-sufficiency, by with-holding, emotional abandonment and neglect.” absolutely did not describe our parenting style.
Funny thing is, this is the verbal vomit that comes out of my daughter’s mouth. This is the story she feeds to therapists or for that matter anyone who will listen.
After a therapist suggested that she may be BPD, she read several books on the subject, then tweeked her symptoms to match the book.
She also cuts herself, another symptom of BPD. Only thing is, she did not do this until she was in her early 20’s and only after she met someone else who was a cutter. BTW, my daughter’s “cuts” resemble briar scratches, never anything remotely serious.
Oh, yes, my daughter is a real “piece of work”
A thought just occurred to me too about NVS–how about children who are raised in this environment?
Statistically, many people diagnosed BPD have been abused as children (sexually) and become cutters and show the classic symptoms of BPD—is it possible that these children have both a genetic predisposition to this PLUS the abuse they got from the personality disordered parent?
But, by the same token it has been proven that kids who are from BPD or other PD parents who are adopted by “normal” parents tend to turn out more troubled than would be expected. Look at Milo’s daughter as a perfect example of this “adoption syndrome” The reason these kids are adopted in the first place is that their parents were “troubled.” So the GENETICS part cannot be denied–whether you call it BPD or PPD or Toxic personality disorder.
As for NVS –I think anyone who lives in a situation under HIGH STRESS, devaluation, invalidation by others, and abuse will suffer mental “abnormalities” for sure—maybe even engage in screaming rages in response.
I have no doubt that the “summer of chaos” when I was trying to convince my egg donor, my DIL, my son C that the Trojan Horse had been sent to kill me…and I was being called a liar, even though I had the documented evidence, I WAS (as we nurses call it by its “technical name”) CRAZY AS A SHEET HOUSE RAT! LOL There is no doubt in my mind that I should have been locked up for my own good while the others sat there calm as cucumbers and I was on the floor alternately screaming and crying. Yep, I was “crazy.” I can relate to “Henny Penny” THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
Funny thing how being safe causes one to “get sane again” and how not being lied to, lied about, and threatened with death, leads to total recovery of your sanity. Yep, recovery is slow, but it finally comes and while I’m sure not perfect, I do consider myself sane again. I intend to stay that way as well.
Milo, maybe they misdiagnosed her. Maybe she’s pure spath. Her behavior certainly sounds calculating.
Yes, I think it’s possible that there is a genetic link. Whom would you most expect to use this parenting style of reinforcing dependant behavior by withholding love and withdrawal than a borderline parent who is terrified of abandonment?
Milo, I didn’t realize your daughter was adopted. I have read some BPD literature that suggests the disorder begins somewhere between 18 months and 3 years of age. How old was your daughter when you adopted?
Kim ~ She was 14 months and I realize that may cause abandonment issues and that is what is so confusing.
I, personally, think she was misdiagnosed. They can only diagnose what they see and hear. If I would have been able to have any imput and they could see and hear what I had to say, the diagnosis may be entirely different.
I think she is a spath, pretending to be BPD. She actually thinks that is a “cool” “hip” thing to be because they are risk takers and after all that is “way cool”, and ofcourse an excuse for her bad behavior. YUK
Speaking of BPD/Spath/Bipolar/you name if and you can take it home with you – she has been MIA for almost a month now. Checked her local hangout (jail), she is not there. Maybe intreatment rehab, maybe boy friend threw her out, maybe involvement with DCF, WHO KNOWS !
For awhile I feel relieved that I’m not hearing from her, it is a joy not to gray rock and listen to her crap. Then the curosity takes hold, the boy I’d like to know what she did now. Or the “surprise attack” as Sky calls it, what is she planning to do to me now. YOU JUST CAN’T WIN.
Rant over, thanks for listening
Steve and All,
This is really clarifying…and it does emphasize it doesn’t really matter, much, what the ‘differential diagnosis’ is. I think I have been with all three ‘types’. All of them were a serious pain in the arse, and destructive.
The NVS thing, and middle age….Boy do I think, in comparing it to my own experience, that this has a LOT to do with finally having the capacity to allow reality in, and not fall back on our individual coping mechanisms.
I just posted on Skylar’s blog that with the last Bad Person experience the whole thing just broke wide open, and resulted in SIGNIFICANT pain and personal growth. I believe this is because I was finally ready and ABLE to cope with the pain of waking up. Not so much, but some, that I was fed up. I think, for me, it was about being ready and WILLING to face the PAIN, instead of either consciously or unconsciously avoiding it.
I had previous experiences with abusive and disordered types that led to chaos and a bit of drama, but not such acutely felt emptiness and devastation. I don’t think it was due to this last person being especially disordered. I think, rather, it had everything to do with my readiness to feel the pain, and face myself full-on. Feeling the pain compelled me to find out WHAT I was dealing with. Once I understood personality disorders my growth exploded. All the pieces, which were previously like a really bad collage, became a comprehensive picture.
Milo,
I didn’t know that your daughter was adopted either. My son isn’t adopted he is my bio child. However his father, was adopted. At 18 months old.
Genetically I wish that I knew more about my husbands family of origin. What I do know is that they were all addicts/alcoholics. That is true of his mother, father, and brother.
My husbands brother was actually killed in a drug deal gone bad. Maybe about a year and a half after my husband suicided.
As I understand after talking to his brothers widow once on the phone he was killed in front of his children on the front porch of his home. As his children watched through a window.
This technically would have been my SIL except of course I had never met her. Her kids would be my sons cousins. We promised to keep in touch after this phone call but that never really happened. We were two grieving women, that had families to raise.
My husbands bio mother did NOT give up his brother for adoption. (just my husband) So the bio mother raised his brother. But during that phone conversation I was told by his widow that the bio mother was BANNED from her sons funeral by her daughter in law.
She didn’t tell me any why she banned her but I can only IMAGINE why.
So this raises ALOT of red flags for me. To ban her mother in law from coming to the services/funeral of her own son is really huge….
A year and a half earlier I did meet my husbands bio family at his funeral. They all came from out of town. (different states as his bio parents were long ago divorced) His brother, bio mother, bio father. The only one that I remember speaking to me for any length of time was his brother. Ironically his brother looked almost exactly like my husband.
I saw him when he walked into the funeral parlor it took my breath away…..They resembled each other that much. I knew who he was without needing intoduction for sure.
I have thought many times in the years after my husbands death that his bio mother lost both of her sons within such a short period of time. One to suicide, one to homicide…..What are the chances of that?
Yet my son, who would be her grandchild…. She also promised to keep in touch with him…THAT never happened either. I think she sent him one card in the mail and that was the end of that.
My husband always knew he was adopted because my in laws adopted him through someone that they “knew”. He even went to stay one summer with his bio mother and brother when he was in high school to get to “know” them.
My take on what I am able to piece together by what I do know is that addiction created alot of disfunction in this family. But what might be present as far as other disorders, if any remains a mystery.
My husband when he was adopted at 18 months didn’t even walk yet. He was neglected and kept in a crib/playpen all day, every day so his leg muscles needed daily exercises to strengthen them. My MIL had to take him for rehab in the begining and then learned how to do them at home. I think his feet were also pointed inward instead of outward.
So there was definately neglect.
I know I wasn’t diagnosed with my CPTSD or NVS until I was about middle aged. I was told that a lot of woman get into therapy around that time. For myself, it was a matter of finally feeling safe in my life to face the truth. I was at a place in my life where I was loved and had personal successes. I couldn’t understand why I was having a nervous breakdown. My life was wonderful. I couldn’t have asked for more. The safety thing made a lot of sense to me.
When you live in denial of your experiences for so long, they eventually bubble up to the surface. It comes out somehow.
As for those who are still in an abusive relationship, maybe the reason for the wake-up at middle age is simply due to maturity and life experience telling you that you deserve better and that the relationship is not healthy or normal. It takes time to figure that out if all your life you had been involved with Narcissists who emotionaly abused you.