Man, it’s not easy out there. Your partner clearly has a major personality disturbance, but sometimes separating borderline, narcissistic and sociopathic behavior can be hard. Real tough. Especially when there are spill-over behaviors, cross-contaminating behaviors and attitudes (as there often are) that further muddy the diagnostic waters.
Let’s look at rage, for instance. Rage is a major marker of the borderline and narcissistic personality. Sociopaths, being essentially malignant, high-end narcissists, like any full-blown narcissist, are also capable of frightful, bullying, abusive rages.
The borderline’s rage, much like the narcissist’s, tends to be elicted by disappoinment. And it’s not always “abandonment”-related. When the borderline, much like the narcissist, feels uncatered to, neglected or invalidated, WATCH OUT!!!!
The “tsunami” will be coming in a gigantic, overwhelming, RATIONALIZED WAVE. That wave will crash on you with shocking, destructive force, threatening to take your legs out from under you.
The sociopath’s rage is also elicited, commonly, by the frustration of his needs, demands, expectations. When that’s not the case, he may be salivating for some excitement, perhaps to escape the accumulating tension of his boredom; and so he may want a good dust-up to entertain himself: Unleashing his rage in a bullying assault may do the trick.
Remorse for the impact and damage of their rages is often missing in all three cases. Incredible, really INCREDIBLE rationalization, plus the astounding absence of self-reflection and accountability, is commonly missing as well.
The borderline feels as justified in his raging as the narcissist. His raging is pure narcissism being acted-out in the moment. The borderline, it is true, may later plead for forgiveness, but this is not always the case. Some borderlines will not pursue you at all after they’ve degraded you in a rage.
And not to confuse matters, but some narcissists and sociopaths will lobby for your forgiveness and amnesty after abusive displays in sometimes florid gestures of contrition.
The borderline and narcissist are both notorious vacillators along the idealizing-devaluing continuum. They are both “splitters” in the sense of perceiving others in rigidly black and white ways. When in their good graces, you are fantastic; their greatest luck and good fortune was to have met you; but disappoint them, and you are likely, suddenly, abruptly, to qualify as the worst, most despicable person they ever had the misfortune to cross paths with.
Sociopaths, in this sense, may be so disconnected, so pathologically disengaged from, and indifferent to, the emotional lives of others that, paradoxically, they may bring less of this particular kind of “splitting” drama to the table than borderlines and the typical narcissist.
This isn’t to suggest that sociopaths don’t “act out” in an outrageous variety of destructive ways. They can, and do.
And devaluation and contempt of others deeply, definingly characterizes the sociopath’s perspective; it’s just that the sociopath may actually exercise, and experience, his twisted emotional disconnection from others with sometimes (but not always!) less volatility than your typical borderline or narcissist. He may sometimes be more predictably, continuously indifferent, contemptuous and emotionally uninvested in others than his borderline or narcissistic counterpart.
The borderline can be callous and cruel, as can the narcissist and sociopath. Hmmm. When we are dealing with a callous, cruel individual whose aim is to BE DESTRUCTIVE (at least in the moment), with no compunction or remorse, but only contempt and hate for the object of his rage, then at least, for the moment, it may be somewhat immaterial which personality disorder we’re dealing with.
We may know later, but at the time, what difference does it really make? The individual’s present intent is clear—to hurt, destroy, inflict pain (in the borderline’s case, perhaps to discharge his pain by inflicting pain). But the experience on the other end, on your end, may be largely the same. You will feel variously abused, humiliated, threatened, degraded.
As noted, all three personality types may (or may not) later show contrition, thus contrition doesn’t accurately distinguish them. Plus, gauging the sincerity of an apology, its depth, is tough business. So again, this isn’t easy. Who are we dealing with? And does it even, always, matter?
I might add this rather vague, but possibly valid, observation: When borderlines aren’t “borderlining,” they are often really good and good-hearted individuals. They are often generous, authentic, sensitive and giving individuals. This is obviously a generalization. There are “borderlines” who, even when they aren’t raging, may be self-centered, jerky individuals, unpleasant and messed up in a million other ways. Still, many borderlines when they’re functioning above their “rage modes” are genuinely engaged, empathic, loving individuals.
You can not say this about the sociopath. This doesn’t mean the sociopath can’t “put this on.” But the sociopath, even when he isn’t obviously “sociopathing,” is always who he is at bottom: a cold, empty, empathically deficient, transgressive-minded individual who, at best, covers up his core contempt of others’ dignity and boundaries.
Not so with borderline personalities.
And narcissists who aren’t full-blown, those who retain a capacity to reflect on their narcissism (as some do) and its impact on those around them–which is tantamount to saying they retain a capacity (in less self-centered states of mind) to reflect on their impact on others with some degree of empathy–these narcissists, too, may be capable of authentic generosity, engagement and compassion, which makes them less incorrigible (and perhaps thus even more confusing) than the sociopath who, if he may sometimes present as the more stable, consistent personality, is clearly the most pathological of them all.
This article is intended to introduce the complicated challenge of differientating these volatile, destructive personalities; it is the first of several I intend to write.
(This article was copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronoun was strictly for convenience’s sake and not to imply that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
I am currently doing EMDR and I found it helpful. I strongly recommend that if you are doing the light therapy that you also should be on medication as well. It can bring up a lot of deep feelings and the medication helps to keep you balanced while you’re going through it.
Are we splitting hairs here?
The difference between a tyranasauraus and godzilla is significant, but they are both still monsters.
It helps to understand what was happening in the past- how my reality was twisted over and over again by monsters who had no ability to regard my well being despite the words and promises.
Look at what monsters do: they rampage and eat people. They destroy everything in their wake and they are mindless.
I read this and am reminded of the old rubber Godzilla movies I saw on TV after school. Amazing that they were as scary then as these monsters are now.
But, I understand I can’t make anyone mad more than I can turn them into a toad with a magic wand. They can’t make me happy by same token.
How we or they respond to anyone or situation is their response. The prevailing truth, to me, is that none of us own anyone else’s response and we can choose our own.
I hope this article and the rest of the series help others to choose to walk away sooner than later because these personalities are toxic and destructive.
There just aren’t enough rubber robot heros to go around. The key is when you get to the point you’re looking at information like this, if you aren’t long gone, you should be…….
Oh yes, I have read and re-read this article. It’s so spot on!
Splitting hairs, perhaps, however, very revealing none the less.
THIS has to be the most accurate and DEAD ON piece I have read in a very long time and it has helped ‘solidify’ me inside, where it counts. If you can’t read this and actually SEE what is going on with these careless MONSTERS and that is what they are…devouring everything in their wake…I always said they are kind of like those HUGE ‘bottom feeders’ in the ocean, where they lay on the bottom and have huge mouths and just suck everything in off the sea floor. I mean, they suck in EVERYTHING and that which is not useful to them in the way of sustenance, they expel immediately. Just like a spath, I would say.
I haven’t seen a ‘bottom feeder’ since living on the Gulf Coast until ten years ago when it knocked on my door! Live and in person…it crawled out of the ocean and slithered to my door and knocked and I opened the door and that was my first and most fatal mistake.
THEY justify that from that point on, anything they do is alright because YOU ARE ALLOWING IT. That is their justification for being ‘what’ they are. And, we all know “what” they are. We just have to completely accept that and digest it and then judge accordingly FOR OURSELVES.
We know who we are and what is ‘good’ for us and/or ‘bad’ for us. We know who we are inside and we don’t need anyone’s validation for that. Because WE are just as entitled to set boundaries as the next person.
Thanks, again, Steve. You have helped me over some kind of hurdle with this article and I found it to ‘hit the spot’ somehow.
Regarding the EMDR therapy and joining it with medication. I am really really really truly truly TRULY happy for people who CAN do medications for their depression and anxiety. I wish it were so simple for me. With my fatal heart condition, it’s almost impossible to find ANY RELIEF. I also have Major PTSD and there isn’t a ‘pill’ for that, but EMDR therapy DID work for me. Absolutely. It goes down to that deep center of your being and rearranges some disorganized thinking processes that sometimes hold us up from jumping that hurdle inside our own minds. Sometimes it isn’t even the very thing you are depressing, stressing and PTSD’ing about! Sometimes it is something buried so deep within, you need someone elses help to get out from it. EMDR therapy did that for me or I would still be a person, sitting in a chair, sobbing for at least two years, consecutively, with no thought nor thinking of any kind going on. THAT Is how horrid the abuse was in my situation….
Kind of like being held ‘mentally hostage’ for A SOLID FIVE of that ten years. The ugliness comes on slowly and eventually reveals itself but they like to prove their strength by being the strongest by destroying your mind.
THAT is what I think. And JUST THE DEPTHS of this kind of thinking process is EVIL. Basically and simply put. WE KNOW there is no other reason. Don’t we?
We have been devoured by that ‘bottom dweller’, but we were expelled back into the abyss again. For some of us, myself included, I am kind of grateful to have my life and a little bit left. If I had not put a stop to it, completely, I would have been dead sooner than I am going to be and I find that to be a HUGE PLUS in the positive column; what about you guys?
HAPPY WEDNESDAY…
Make it a happy one!
Dupey
Dupey,
I would agrse about your huge plus!
And that having the insight of revelation from this kind of information is incredibly helpful.
What if we’d never found out what we didn’t know we didn’t know?
Well, I think you spoke directly to it.
Happy day back!
🙂 Thanks silvermoon…the truths speak for themselves. Hm?
WHAT IF WE’D NEVER FOUND OUT WHAT WE DIDN’T KNOW that WE DIDN’T KNEW?
Every one is a Blessing, so LIVE LARGE!
Dupey
Louise,
Please try not to think of yourself as “I’m so broken” because it can work against you. I loved EMDR, I did it for a number of months, but in the beginning, I also was too agitated to relax, so for those sessions, T & I did half talk therapy & half EMDR. Eventually, I became calmer & could do entire sessions of EMDR.
So, maybe find some techniques for calming yourself, like slow, deep breathing.
Also, I wondered if my agitation was me unconsciously preventing myself from doing EMDR because I felt I didn’t deserve to heal? or I was afraid to look at the truth? It is scary to look at our worst memories, but if we don’t, they’ll continue to haunt us.
Please don’t give up on EMDR. Try some calming techniques, start the EMDR sessions with a bit of talk therapy and then go for it.
Dupey, I love this:
“WHAT IF WE’D NEVER FOUND OUT WHAT WE DIDN’T KNOW that WE DIDN’T KNEW? ”
Very wise, very deep, Dupey. When we finally find out what we never knew, it’s like discovering a new dimension, a new world and eventually, a new Us.
Great article, Steve. However, as a lay person, I spent years reading books, reading the internet, talking to Ts, to figure out ‘is s/he an N? BPD? SP?’ To this day, I still can’t figure it out, but Thank Gd, I NO LONGER CARE!! As many here have said, the label is almost irrelevant because they are ALL toxic monsters and Con Artists. Lesson learned: Heal and steer clear, NC or LC if we have to have contact and Very Strong Boundaries.
One thing that I found was utterly ‘telling’ about my x spath was “IT” saying to me, as the mask melted off and I saw the slime oozing and melting, revealing this disfigured being, was “IT” saying: “The spell is being broken because your counselors and friends are talking you away from me.” Somehow, it’s things like that, which are now floating back into my conscious mind, that is reinforcing my position and steadfastness that this is not going to consume my life. It just isn’t.
Absolution was a gift to me, when it was finally laid in my lap.
I never thought at all I would ever walk that way. I was lost, trapped by my intense sorrow and ‘shock’ of it all…
Once that door became open to me, I took it and I will never be sorry I did. That absolution became the cornerstone of everything I am NOW allowing myself to become. I give “IT” no ‘credit’ because no ‘credit’ is deserved by such a heinous persona…but “IT” was the cliff from which I was pushed…
I didn’t get pushed, though…that’s the point. I moved back from the edge and I am still here and “IT” is not. Win-win.
Good day to you clair: I hope you are doing well.
That’s just what it’s like too: ‘a new dimension…’
A for real “TWILIGHT ZONE” moment.
Complacent indifference along with a good healthy dose of absolution I would say is the trick, when you are ‘ready’ for it. We must not be HARSH on ourselves…that too was part of that ‘circus clown manipulation’…like an after-effect time bomb…
Fight it back and refuse that part too. Just throw it all in the garbage, take a deep breath and KNOW you are stronger.
Strong boundaries…oh yes…like steel reinforced in all aspects of your life, not just romantically. Remember your value and worth – you know who you are.
Dupey
Excellent points, Kim Frederick:
“Many survivors of relationships with narcissists and sociopaths are diagnosed as BPD’s. In reality they are suffering complex PTSD.”
and
“Trauma bonding at it’s finest. In “The betrayal bond”, Patric Carnes explains that the victim often has a full blown life crises and this is the beginning of healing”but before that happens, the victim denies and cajoles, and ignores and disasociates, because they truley believe there’s no way out. These behaviors actually protect the victim from more abuse, but at a great cost. Eventually the whole edifice comes tumbling down.”
Love this, G1S:
“by the time people reach middle age, they’re worn down by the repeated crap and have finally come to their wit’s end.”
libelle,
your parents sound like my parents.
“we talked about it with the parents lately and they had no memory about it.”
Of course they had no memory about it! Oh, the mind games, gas lighting & guilt trips they lay on us! They trained us to be victims.
“rageaholic: that’s a FOO syndrome, a legacy for me too.
Amen, truthspeak:
“More often than not, it takes YEARS of exposure to sociopathy before a person can clearly recognize what’s going on.”
Add to this all the GAS LIGHTING they do to us, so we keep thinking it’s OUR fault. Oh, how they fooled and manipulated us for DECADES!!!!!!
I keep a song on my desk top: “Won’t Get Fooled Again” by The Who.
I will not be fooled or conned by anymore Cluster-B PDs. Buh-bye!
I keep another song on my desk top: “Beginning to See the Light” by The Velvet Underground, love this line:
“there are troubles in these times, but none of them are mine, yeah, I’m beginning to see the light”.
Yup, All their Cluster-B carp is NOT mine, it’s theirs. From now on, it’s strong boundaries and no more co-dependence.
Dupey,
This is key:
““The spell is being broken because your counselors and friends are talking you away from me.” ”
That’s Alice in Wonderland awakening from being drugged.
Lotsa love to you, (((Dupey)))